""Try get some education..." I can see you are a member"
Yep.. a solid one - I got me education *g*
Amazing when some are told some facts that may not suit, all they do is go into some state of denial and nuthing to say apart from the usual bullshit abuse .. But hell - this is GFY!
Originally posted by Webby ""Try get some education..." I can see you are a member"
Yep.. a solid one - I got me education *g*
Amazing when some are told some facts that may not suit, all they do is go into some state of denial and nuthing to say apart from the usual bullshit abuse .. But hell - this is GFY!
A state of denial in your mind's perception, but you have proven that your perception of America/Americans is mis-perception.
When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
I do not know any other way to post without using words, but then again I am just a dumb, uneducated, misguided American. Maybe you will be willing to show me another way to post without the use of words.
When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
OK .. To keep life simple... Perhaps the point would be that you assume a lot about perception / misperception ie - words that mean nothing. Don't "assume" I think you are a "just a dumb, uneducated, misguided American. " - why should I think that? *g*
Originally posted by Webby OK .. To keep life simple... Perhaps the point would be that you assume a lot about perception / misperception ie - words that mean nothing. Don't "assume" I think you are a "just a dumb, uneducated, misguided American. " - why should I think that? *g*
I have been an American since birth, forty-four years ago. I am not assuming that you have misperceptions about America/Americans. I know from your posts that you have misperceptions about America/Americans.
When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
The US is the largest single consumer on the planet.. despite there are only 5% of the world population living there. As for "helping" - the US is the biggest "taker" on the planet.
ahhhhh, so if we didn't buy from the rest of the world, you'd accuse us of keeping the wealth to ourselves. how dopey your ideas are.
Originally posted by Webby Example.. it "aids" Nigeria, but Nigeria still loses $40M a year for the privilege of "aid". This pattern is consistant throughout. .
We've given nigeria 3 billion (thats with a B) since the 60s which country are you thinking of thats given more?
Please, tell us oh wise one.
Originally posted by Webby As to the rankings of "givers"... many other Western countries give far more... tween 9 - 13% while US is currently at 3% with a "promise" 5% by Bush in 2004 .
how sad that you US haters have to stoop so low. The largest *giver* in the world is the US people thru private charities. add the 3% the *government* gives on top of that and the US gives more than any other dopey country you think is doing more.
Originally posted by Webby Ya don't wanna believe that news media too much *g*
perhaps not but where ever it is you're getting your info from isn't any better.
I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.
Originally posted by Webby And specifically, what would these "misperceptions" be?
Sounds like you know more about me than I do! *g* Don't think I'd care to make bets on any assumptions about you :-)
I do not feel the inclination to take the time to go through your posts in this thread and do a search on other threads to list your misperceptions and then educate you about your misperceptions. I perceive that you have misperceptions, but of course that is just my perception based upon your posts.
When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
Well.. ya got a load there! And no, the US is certainly not the largest "giver" on the planet. It IS the complete reverse.
The "forced" promised extra 2% (from 3%) promised by Bush was done out of embarassment to enable him to attend and address the spring conference in Mexico relating to third world countries. The reception there was cool as would be expected.
Nigeria is one of these countries regretting "US aid" since result is it costs them 40 million more per annum to have this "priviledge" of trading. But hell.. why just Nigeria.. there are loads of others that are currently "reviewing their position"! *lol*
And na.. I ain't no "US hater".. but I do hate greed in folks that should have some "awareness" and know better. As for contributions from US citizens, yes, I agree they have given to others and am sure that is "genuine giving" in the same way most folks in other countries have contributed. But that ain't no thanks to the US govt - that's another long story and not a wonderful track record - not just in "aid" but, shit, almost anything! Nuthing is perfect anyplace, but that's a joke!!
Kinda the same way I feel when a long answer is expected *g*
Sometimes I just ain't worth the time or pounding on the keypad *lol* I probably got zillions of misconceptions.. but I am willing to learn :-)
"But is okay for them to have AK 47's or SCUDS? haha..... Just what I thought. It's only America that sells arms. "
Well hell.. might as well start with the largest supplier of arms in the world with a market share of around 60% *lol* ... Tis kinda funny how it becomes a "sensitive issue" when anyone else dare move in on that profit center *lol*
I think Americans just accept that even if not everything the government tells them is the absolute gospel truth, there are reasons why the government isn't an open book about everything, and that no other government has any different approach to the truth.
I think the overall truthfulness of the US government is probably higher than that of just about any other major country, be it the UK, Russia, South Africa, Kenya, or Italy. And speaking of Italy, I suppose one reason Americans are less critical of their government is that we don't want to change governments like they were just changing socks.
What may appear to be an unconscious believing of everything the government says, may in fact just be an acceptance of the fact that governments say things of varying degrees of truth for reasons sometimes obvious and sometimes less so.
Always telling the truth about everything all the time is not really an option in today's world.
For example, people say the government's interest in the middle east is all about oil. Probably true. I'm not sure what would be accomplished by admitting as much. And since the US Government is elected to represent US interests, I'm not sure what is wrong with that. It's what any government with the power to do so would have the obligation to do for its own people.
Perhaps Americans are a bit more sophisticated than other people give them credit for.
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*s* Who knows how the US govt is on the "rankings of truthfulness" - yea, govts lie, often for their own self-preservation and interest.
Start off on the premise that (not all!) politicians were born with this slimy naive lying built into their makeup since they entered this world and, until proven otherwise, will con, lie and deceive their own mothers *g* Got nuthing to do with "national interest" - the only thing they are bothering about is their own ass, self interest, greed and speaking words everyone wants to hear. Many are very "personable", but tis their track record that speaks more truth :-)
Italy... well, that is politicians at their best! *lol* Ya can't beat em!
As for some US politicians representing the US.. yea some do and do it well. There are a good few honorable men in Washington. But can see there are also one load of "political crime families" there that need locked up for the protection of the public - they ain't one bit of credit to the US and cause loads of bad feeling and problems all over. Seems to have reached the stage there is a rolling of eyes in diplomatic circles when the next "proclamation" is made and a rush to establish if there is, in fact, any truth in statements or tis more bullshit.
One eminent guy, a Nobel prize winner, summed it up by "I keep telling my friends in Washington that US is indeed a great military and economic power, and it would be nice to see some morality accompanying and matching that power."
The "forced" promised extra 2% (from 3%) promised by Bush was done out of embarassment to enable him to attend and address the spring conference in Mexico relating to third world countries.
How come everytime a politician someone doesn't like does something they would perceive as good they say it is for selfish reasons or out of some reason like "embarassment"? How can you tell? You read minds? You just make that up, Webby?
Topic: Do people in America believe everything their government tells them?
"I'm not a crook" - Richard Nixon
We didn't buy that one.....
"I did not have sexual relations with that woman" - Bill Clinton
Didn't buy that one either.....
Those are two that just popped into my head, I'm sure there's more good examples out there.
As for all the US bashers out there, is there another country in the world that people are risking life and limb just to get into?
Who do the smaller countries of the world cry to when they're being oppressed by their neighbors?
We're far from perfect, granted. But we're closer to perfection than any other government of the face of this planet.
We have the right to throw our leaders out on their ear or even throw them in jail if we catch them lying to us.
And as for the media being controlled by the government that's bullshit. The media cares about one thing, RATINGS.
Nothing carries higher ratings than catching the president in a scandal or a public official in a lie.
*How come everytime a politician someone doesn't like does something they would perceive as good they say it is for selfish reasons or out of some reason like "embarassment"? How can you tell? You read minds? You just make that up, Webby?*
Na.. I did not "make that up" - Bush was pestered for almost six months prior to that and it is well recorded all over and the comments of many others were noted where there would simply be no credibility to the US attending that meeting unless they actually produced some "goods". The situation was made very clear. The fact that the "contribution" was 3% was a joke, but was graciously accepted (or will be *maybe* in 2004). The "drift" over this still continues seven months later. I don't make shit up - ain't got the time to waste.
If ya actually read *any* preceeding actions to that conference, the activity there, or the follow up, I would not have to waste more time answering this.
*How come everytime a politician someone doesn't like does something they would perceive as good they say it is for selfish reasons or out of some reason like "embarassment"? How can you tell? You read minds? You just make that up, Webby?*
Na.. I did not "make that up" - Bush was pestered for almost six months prior to that and it is well recorded all over and the comments of many others were noted where there would simply be no credibility to the US attending that meeting unless they actually produced some "goods". The situation was made very clear. The fact that the "contribution" was 3% was a joke, but was graciously accepted (or will be *maybe* in 2004). The "drift" over this still continues seven months later. I don't make shit up - ain't got the time to waste.
If ya actually read *any* preceeding actions to that conference, the activity there, or the follow up, I would not have to waste more time answering this.
No. Laugh .. It's not the situation you're making up. The part you're making up is Bush' "embarassment". You are flat out assuming someone's intention and presenting it as fact.
Originally posted by Colin (More social psychology)
I often hear people say that people in America believe everything their government tells them.
It is sad that they do although I wish that they wouldn't. I use to work for them and I must say besides the fact that they spend too much on bullshit they only tell the american people some of the truth. The REAL truth is on A NEED TO KNOW BASIS.
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It doesn't matter who believes what, or from where..
If ya come to gfy to let people know something that's going on in the U.S. that's not fresh off of CNN, or the Washington Post, or the New York Times.. you're branded a conspiracy theorist..
It's always the, "Did you hear it from a 'reliable source'.."?
"No. Laugh .. It's not the situation you're making up. The part you're making up is Bush' "embarassment". You are flat out assuming someone's intention and presenting it as fact."
Now ya got a point there! *g*.. I doubt that asshole knows how to spell the word, nevermind experience "embarassment"! Well... let's word it this way.. It was mentioned in Washington circles, by those who preferred to remain nameless (else they are fucked! *g*) as well as "named" other attendees prior to the conference, that it would be somewhat embarassing to stand up and addess a conference promoting "aid" when ya were the worst contributor and were already being pestered to get your hand into your pocket and dig out some change :-)
BUT!!! That was more likely said by more rational, sane and "sensitive" members of US and other diplomatic communities - not the "US crime families" :-)
So apologies for my error - I was not trying to assume Bush could be embarassed about anything - reckon he is too "smart" (or arrogant?) for that *lol*
*g* By the way.. could the asshole attend a "global aid" conference without parotting more crap about "evil terrorists" and his pet wars? Na!!!!!! More rolling eyes all round! :-) Someone needs to tell him to stick to the point or shut the fuck up till he has a clue about *anything* *g*
"Hey Condi! Your the educator around here .. ya told me where Iraq and Afghanistan is - hell girl, your good at this map stuff and pointing at them places with evil terrorists so I can tell Rummy to bomb em. That was fun girl - kinda like playing dungeons and dragons. Now... bet ya can't tell me how to spell that word .. ya know... the big word like... that word when ya supposed to get a red face?"
Originally posted by Sausage Blame it on the American media. I was amazed by the news and CNN etc ... they seem so true, but most of the shit on there is so badly slanted as to be fictional!
We get different reports in Australia and UK.
Last I checked Reuter's is a UK service and many american and british news stories use this service and often the stories are carried nearly word for word - by both the BBC and CNN.
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