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  • fnet
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    • Jul 2002
    • 1721
    #1

    Top 10 Best *Stoner* Cities To Live In

    Alright, maybe you know what I'm talking about... very liberal towns where people are virtually lighting up in the street. The vibe of the place alone makes the standard of living better. These are my personal top ten:

    Humboldt, Ca
    Santa Cruz, Ca
    Berkeley, Ca
    Austin, Tx
    Eugene, Or
    Olympia, Wa
    Boulder, Co
    Athens, Ga
    Asheville, NC
    The entire state of Hawaii, but especially a little town called Pahoa
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    • DrGuile
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      • Jan 2002
      • 2025
      #2
      You need to get out of the states.


      Vancouver, BC
      Montreal, QC
      Amsterdam, Holland

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        • High Quality
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          • Feb 2002
          • 5741
          #3
          I would have to say

          Amsterdam
          Montreal
          Anything in upstate NY where the only alternative to suicide is weed.

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            • jreaka
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              • Mar 2002
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              #4
              Why all Cali. cities?

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                • fnet
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                  • Jul 2002
                  • 1721
                  #5
                  Originally posted by DrGuile
                  You need to get out of the states.


                  Vancouver, BC
                  Montreal, QC
                  Amsterdam, Holland

                  jsut to name 3
                  Yeah, sad to say outside the states I've only been to Brazil and Mexico.
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                    • Morgan
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                      • May 2002
                      • 10520
                      #6
                      Originally posted by DrGuile
                      You need to get out of the states.


                      Vancouver, BC
                      Montreal, QC
                      Amsterdam, Holland

                      jsut to name 3
                      Amsterdam, yes...

                      BC, HELL NOOOOOO.. FUck mass grown bc bud that all smells and tastes the same no matter how it looks. Nothing beats CAli bud. Besides maybe some strains in the coffee shops in amsterdam.
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                        • fnet
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                          #7
                          Originally posted by jreaka
                          Why all Cali. cities?
                          All towns I've lived in.
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                            • fnet
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                              • Jul 2002
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                              #8
                              Originally posted by Ganjasaurus


                              Amsterdam, yes...

                              BC, HELL NOOOOOO.. FUck mass grown bc bud that all smells and tastes the same no matter how it looks. Nothing beats CAli bud. Besides maybe some strains in the coffee shops in amsterdam.
                              I don't about Amsterdam but I've had buds that beat everything Humboldt has to offer. Hike down the Na Pali coast on Kauai...
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                                • nikudorei
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                                  • Dec 2002
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                                  #9
                                  Perth West AU.
                                  Sydney NSW AU
                                  Adelaide South AU

                                  See a trend forming.

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                                    • Wenchy
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                                      #10
                                      Fnet - Dunno how long ago you lived in Boulder, but it's not the same these days. Now it's a bunch of granola heads who don't even allow smoking in public facilities anywhere in the city. Boulder used to be cool and filled with hippies... now it's yuppie central.
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                                        • DrGuile
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                                          • Jan 2002
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                                          #11
                                          fnet didnt ask where you can get the best bud. he was asking about stoner cities where smoking is "accepted"


                                          in Montreal I often walk by people who are smoking a joint while walkign somewhere. Not punks sitting at a bus stop. regular young people, probably walking to school or something.

                                          I get asked 2-3 times a day if I want weed when walking downtown... (ok, Its crap-weed and I never buy from them, but still
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                                            • fnet
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                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by Wenchy
                                              Fnet - Dunno how long ago you lived in Boulder, but it's not the same these days. Now it's a bunch of granola heads who don't even allow smoking in public facilities anywhere in the city. Boulder used to be cool and filled with hippies... now it's yuppie central.
                                              That's truly terrible. I haven't actually lived in Colorado. I've only visited friends/relatives in Colorado Springs, Boulder, and Denver, mostly in the early 90's.
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                                                • cubedooo
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                                                  • Jul 2002
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                                                  #13
                                                  WTF! What about SEATTLE?
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                                                    • High Quality
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                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by Ganjasaurus


                                                      Amsterdam, yes...

                                                      BC, HELL NOOOOOO.. FUck mass grown bc bud that all smells and tastes the same no matter how it looks. Nothing beats CAli bud. Besides maybe some strains in the coffee shops in amsterdam.
                                                      Oh cmon ganja, you know better than to say this shit. I get the HIGH QUALITY Swiss imports that destroys cali "chronic"

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                                                        • cubedooo
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                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by Ganjasaurus


                                                          Amsterdam, yes...

                                                          BC, HELL NOOOOOO.. FUck mass grown bc bud that all smells and tastes the same no matter how it looks. Nothing beats CAli bud. Besides maybe some strains in the coffee shops in amsterdam.
                                                          Just to let you know, you may think the Canadians only have the commercial stuff you see down in the states.... It's just that they only send us the mass produced shit and they keep all the "HEADBANGER" shit for themselves.....

                                                          I know for a fact you can get any strain you can get from Hombolt in BC... Northern Lights #5, Jack Herer, Bubble Gum, Etc.....

                                                          Have you ever been to BC?

                                                          Don't get me wrong, Hombolt has the best in the states for outdoor......
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                                                            • d0se
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                                                              #16
                                                              Perth, Australia. More stoners than not here!
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                                                                • d0se
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                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by nikudorei
                                                                  [B]Perth West AU.
                                                                  Sydney NSW AU
                                                                  Adelaide South AU
                                                                  right on brother
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                                                                    • cubedooo
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                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by d0se
                                                                      More stoners than not here!
                                                                      WTF does that mean?
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                                                                        • nikudorei
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                                                                          #19
                                                                          more stoners then not, here in perth.

                                                                          i assume that is what d0se meant.

                                                                          -meatslave

                                                                          btw. he is right.
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                                                                            • d0se
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                                                                              #20
                                                                              It means ... 'YO MAMA'
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                                                                                • eru
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                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  "Hey man" (Cheech and Chong voice)

                                                                                  Hawai'i's nice, come visit me and get stoned.
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                                                                                    • cubedooo
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                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by d0se
                                                                                      It means ... 'YO MAMA'
                                                                                      My mother passed away awhile back..... NOT COOL BRO!
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                                                                                        • nikudorei
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                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          man, i dont think he acctually meant your mother, i suspect he meant YO MOMMA, a fictional parent we all possess.

                                                                                          lighten up and shiz.

                                                                                          -meatslave
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                                                                                            • d0se
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                                                                                              #24
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                                                                                                • Seb From Holland
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                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by cubedooo


                                                                                                  My mother passed away awhile back..... NOT COOL BRO!
                                                                                                  My brother past away a while ago, now I feel offended, BUDDY!

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                                                                                                    • [The Leader]
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                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      haha, I'll tell you, there's not one city in the USA that's in the top 10 in the world. Look at Canada, Holland, Australia, etc.
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                                                                                                        • [The Leader]
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                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by Ganjasaurus


                                                                                                          Amsterdam, yes...

                                                                                                          BC, HELL NOOOOOO.. FUck mass grown bc bud that all smells and tastes the same no matter how it looks. Nothing beats CAli bud. Besides maybe some strains in the coffee shops in amsterdam.
                                                                                                          I live in BC, but try not to touch the locally grown stuff. I get my shit from the Canadian praries, talk about the best hydro on the planet, fuck Amsterdam.
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                                                                                                            • d0se
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                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by Seb From Holland


                                                                                                              My brother past away a while ago, now I feel offended, BUDDY!
                                                                                                              Dood my Buddy kicked the bucket last week... have some COMPASSION
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                                                                                                                • nikudorei
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                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  MY mother died. I was hurt. Luckily I was planning to shoot some snuff content that week..

                                                                                                                  lets just say her body came in handy.

                                                                                                                  love you momma.

                                                                                                                  -meatslave
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                                                                                                                    • fnet
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                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Seb From Holland


                                                                                                                      My brother past away a while ago, now I feel offended, BUDDY!
                                                                                                                      Hey, my best friend died, BITCH.
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                                                                                                                        • WhoreHEY
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                                                                                                                          #31
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                                                                                                                            • nikudorei
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                                                                                                                              • Dec 2002
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                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by [The Leader]


                                                                                                                              I live in BC, but try not to touch the locally grown stuff. I get my shit from the Canadian praries, talk about the best hydro on the planet, fuck Amsterdam.

                                                                                                                              I can only speak from personal experience. Hydro here in AU is mad. -BUT- My nextdoor neighbour is a Canadian stoner and he rates the gear here as good, if not better then the best Canadian Hydro he has had. He is 35ish and has been here in AU for 3 or so years. I also know a few dutch guys who rate AU gear as high as Dutch shiz.



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                                                                                                                                • freeadultcontent
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                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Humbolt is ok, but do not leave out Arcata... And honestly you must throw in the city of Weed. Cmon just for name alone.

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                                                                                                                                    • Fletch XXX
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                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Shiiiit dont forget Nevada, they at least trying to pass the shit.

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                                                                                                                                        • Pornwolf
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                                                                                                                                          • Jan 2002
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                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          *Looks at thread*

                                                                                                                                          *Laughs*

                                                                                                                                          N.Y.C. Motherf... umm... err... Motherb... Umm... I forget.

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                                                                                                                                            • nikudorei
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                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              when i get baked i always want Big Red. Cant buy it in AU.

                                                                                                                                              *craves*

                                                                                                                                              -meatslave
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                                                                                                                                                • Pornwolf
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                                                                                                                                                  • Jan 2002
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                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  I think the best stoner city is any city who's biggest store is a Super Wal-mart. It helps if there is a Piggly Wiggly in that same city.
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                                                                                                                                                    • nikudorei
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                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      WTF is a Piggly Wiggly?

                                                                                                                                                      I think I saw an F1 movie once with some girl suckin a Piggly Wiggly.. Animal Farm for life.

                                                                                                                                                      -meatslave
                                                                                                                                                      Be my Fuck Boy! By my Anal Girl! Anal Cnut! Anal Cnut! Death to the World!

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                                                                                                                                                        • Pornwolf
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                                                                                                                                                          • Jan 2002
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                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Piggly Wiggly is a chain of American grocery stores that are usually in small towns.
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                                                                                                                                                            • Rory
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                                                                                                                                                                • Lensman
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                                                                                                                                                                  • Jan 2001
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                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Provo, UT

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                                                                                                                                                                    • Fletch XXX
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                      #42
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                                                                                                                                                                        • bhutocracy
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Dec 2001
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                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Nimbin AU hehehe.

                                                                                                                                                                          home of the hemp olympix and mardigrass..

                                                                                                                                                                          check out the streaming webcam they have in their amsterdam style pot cafe. http://www.hempbar.nimbinaustralia.com/webcam.htm

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                                                                                                                                                                            • nikudorei
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                                                                                                                                                                              nimbin is full of smacky types these days. The good old days are gone unfortunately... fucken heroin ruins everyones fun.

                                                                                                                                                                              keep australia beautiful.. knife a junky.

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                                                                                                                                                                                • bhutocracy
                                                                                                                                                                                  Not making A Comeback
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2001
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                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by nikudorei
                                                                                                                                                                                  nimbin is full of smacky types these days. The good old days are gone unfortunately... fucken heroin ruins everyones fun.

                                                                                                                                                                                  keep australia beautiful.. knife a junky.

                                                                                                                                                                                  -meatslave
                                                                                                                                                                                  heheh I know.. even the hippies are pissed off.. but they still sell buds in the street with little regard to the police.. it's such an anachronism that I have to bring it up in threads like this.. where else do they throw out leaf joints in a parade?

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Gutterboy
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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Its the genetics that matter, not location.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Heavy Duty Fruity or Hindu Kush (yes, those are real genetic lines..) aren't any stonier if they're grown in California, BC or Switzerland. As long as the person doing the cultivating knows what he's doing anyway.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Getting good genetic lines from a respected seed bank can be expensive.. like $15-$20 per seed for the best strains.. but its worth it. Some of the shit will blow your mind.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • d0se
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                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by bhutocracy
                                                                                                                                                                                          Nimbin AU hehehe.

                                                                                                                                                                                          home of the hemp olympix and mardigrass..

                                                                                                                                                                                          check out the streaming webcam they have in their amsterdam style pot cafe. http://www.hempbar.nimbinaustralia.com/webcam.htm
                                                                                                                                                                                          I attended mardi-grass in '96.. fucking awesome shit ! All the hippies marching the 20 foot long joint down the driveway of the police station etc... classic stuff
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • krox
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                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Amsterdam roolz!

                                                                                                                                                                                              Not only do they have the best selection of grass and hash at their coffeeshops like the Bulldog (which interestingly uses exactly the same logo as the Bulldog TGP - even down to the number of spikes on the collar - are they perchance related?).

                                                                                                                                                                                              They also have loads of magic mushroom shops where you can buy shrooms that will blow your socks off.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Roald
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by krox
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Amsterdam roolz!

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Not only do they have the best selection of grass and hash at their coffeeshops like the Bulldog (which interestingly uses exactly the same logo as the Bulldog TGP - even down to the number of spikes on the collar - are they perchance related?).

                                                                                                                                                                                                  They also have loads of magic mushroom shops where you can buy shrooms that will blow your socks off.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Bulldog tgp owner is dutch too, not related I think.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  BTW when you go to Amsterdam don't forget to visit Lacanna, awesome place

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • tfone
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Dec 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      Tempe, Phoenix Scottsdale , the shit rocks here...super cheap for chronic too
                                                                                                                                                                                                      but Amsterdam is pretty hard to beat...



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