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  • Fletch XXX
    GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
    • Jan 2002
    • 60840

    #1

    Did Cologroup Kill Virtual Before 30 days?

    It was supposed to be the end of december.

    I just tried to log in to finish moving domains, error.

    Login fails since yesterday.

    Just tried to call the phone number, 'we are unable to complete your call - call customer support and cuts me off'

    I can care less about Cologroup and no longer use them, but I was told 30 days to move domains, its only the 13th and now I have no access to my servers or domains.

    All the sites are down, and I am having one hell of a time trying to move them blindly.

    I never received an official 30 day notice, and now this.

    Seriously this is fucked up.

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  • NoCarrier
    We need more free porn
    • Mar 2002
    • 16356

    #2
    LOL! Was customer service also part of the service cut?

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    • cherrylula
      lol
      • Jan 2002
      • 15969

      #3
      This really sucks.

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      • Fletch XXX
        GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
        • Jan 2002
        • 60840

        #4
        Originally posted by NoCarrier
        LOL! Was customer service also part of the service cut?
        hey, I notice all you do is talk shit about Colo, I am not here to argue about Colo.

        I have hosting with Webair and used Colo for AVS and Galleries.

        If you want to knock Colo do it elsewhere, right now all that matters is getting access to be able to move my shit.

        Not interested in your silly shit.

        If you dont like colo so much why do you post in every thread?

        Clue?

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        • cherrylula
          lol
          • Jan 2002
          • 15969

          #5
          I think its true.... cologroup ran out of magic pixie dust.

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          • sherbert
            Confirmed User
            • Aug 2002
            • 470

            #6


            sdfsdfsdvgf

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            • NoCarrier
              We need more free porn
              • Mar 2002
              • 16356

              #7
              Originally posted by Fletch XXX


              hey, I notice all you do is talk shit about Colo, I am not here to argue about Colo.

              I have hosting with Webair and used Colo for AVS and Galleries.

              If you want to knock Colo do it elsewhere, right now all that matters is getting access to be able to move my shit.

              Not interested in your silly shit.

              If you dont like colo so much why do you post in every thread?

              Clue?
              I'm sorry, I am taking advantage of the fact that I left Cologroup because I got fucked so many times by their professionnal service.. I don't understand why you stayed with them for so long.

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              • Fletch XXX
                GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                • Jan 2002
                • 60840

                #8
                Originally posted by NoCarrier


                I'm sorry, I am taking advantage of the fact that I left Cologroup because I got fucked so many times by their professionnal service.. I don't understand why you stayed with them for so long.
                Honestly I never suffered downtime or problems like the rest of the people.

                So until the final warning I had no reason to leave.

                Plus, honestly, I have so many domains I hadnt gotten around to it, considering I was told I had till the End of December. I have only a few domains left to move, (tons of folders and AVS & Galleries) was moving those the past couple days, then it went down.

                Is that enough explanation for you?




                Last edited by Fletch XXX; 12-13-2002, 08:15 AM.

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                • sherbert
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                  • Aug 2002
                  • 470

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Fletch XXX
                  It was supposed to be the end of december.

                  I just tried to log in to finish moving domains, error.

                  Login fails since yesterday.

                  Just tried to call the phone number, 'we are unable to complete your call - call customer support and cuts me off'

                  I can care less about Cologroup and no longer use them, but I was told 30 days to move domains, its only the 13th and now I have no access to my servers or domains.

                  All the sites are down, and I am having one hell of a time trying to move them blindly.
                  If you didn't already think about it - you may or may not have - try downloading your sites with Teleport Pro.

                  Assuming you can't get into FTP or don't have backups on your PC, using Teleport Pro should make things easier than going through the whole site in Internet Explorer. It will grab everything.

                  Or is this a problem just about the nameservers?
                  sdfsdfsdvgf

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                  • cherrylula
                    lol
                    • Jan 2002
                    • 15969

                    #10
                    FTP NO WORK! hehe

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                    • sherbert
                      Confirmed User
                      • Aug 2002
                      • 470

                      #11
                      http://www.tenmax.com/teleport/pro/home.htm

                      It will grab any password protected area of the site also, assuming that you can remember the password or have them store on a txt file somewhere.
                      sdfsdfsdvgf

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                      • Fletch XXX
                        GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                        • Jan 2002
                        • 60840

                        #12
                        teleport uses the net to browse and save, if the sites are down it cannot browse them.

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                        • Vendot
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                          • May 2002
                          • 3376

                          #13
                          Hey guys, if you havent yet done so please give your vote on the Cologroup Poll:

                          http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...threadid=93249
                          "In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth is a Revolutionary Act." - George Orwell

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                          • sherbert
                            Confirmed User
                            • Aug 2002
                            • 470

                            #14
                            Oh, I didn't realize they are down, I thought it was an FTP access thing only.

                            You might be able to salvage the most essential things on archive.org, or from Google.

                            At archive.org search for:

                            http://www.yourdomain.com/*

                            At Google (the best chance) search for:

                            yourdomain.com site:yourdomain.com

                            Click on the "cache" link after searching and it should return html and most (95%) image.
                            Last edited by sherbert; 12-13-2002, 08:28 AM.
                            sdfsdfsdvgf

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                            • Fletch XXX
                              GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                              • Jan 2002
                              • 60840

                              #15
                              I have all the files, its the heirarchy thats getting me.

                              No, its like the servers are gone.

                              no access, no ftp, no login, no sites loading, nothing.

                              everything is gone.

                              I have all my files and sites of course.

                              Its the heirarchy.

                              The domains I left to mvoe last are of course the ones that would have been the most work, and the older of my domains I launched on cologroup.

                              So that means tons of folder tons of files.

                              Ive used 3 computers since then, files are scattered, I prefer to login and just download everything to a new drive for the move, which is what I was doing.

                              Today would have been my last day there!!!
                              Last edited by Fletch XXX; 12-13-2002, 08:28 AM.

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                              • sherbert
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                                • Aug 2002
                                • 470

                                #16
                                It sucks Fletch.
                                Good luck getting everything back together...
                                sdfsdfsdvgf

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                                • cherrylula
                                  lol
                                  • Jan 2002
                                  • 15969

                                  #17
                                  i really hope they fix this.

                                  what a pain in the ass.... and it bothers me that they have not billed us yet which usually has happened by this time of the month.

                                  At least he posted about a 30 day notice to be given on December 1st... but actually we never even received a notice.

                                  Good thing we read this board. I like to think since he made a public statement, they will at least try to stick to that.

                                  Because if not, then cologroup really has no shame or any consideration for their customers, period.

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                                  • Sly_RJ
                                    Live Hard - Die Hard
                                    • Feb 2002
                                    • 17042

                                    #18
                                    Same here.

                                    Half my shit has been transferred. Half not.

                                    Jason this better be another one of your fucking glitches.
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                                    • Sly_RJ
                                      Live Hard - Die Hard
                                      • Feb 2002
                                      • 17042

                                      #19
                                      Called their number. Leads to a fucking message center. What the fuck? All live support down.

                                      24/7 phone and email support. Fuck that. Virtual accounts still available from front page to purchase.

                                      You see that? All you dedicated guys that preach about having no problems. This is YOU in 6 months.

                                      What kind of chop shop operation does Jason run anyway?

                                      Where's SexTraffic Pete?

                                      I really hope I have to apologize for this post later, really.
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                                      • Fletch XXX
                                        GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                        • Jan 2002
                                        • 60840

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                                        Same here.

                                        Half my shit has been transferred. Half not.

                                        Jason this better be another one of your fucking glitches.
                                        I feel ya bruh.

                                        I left a few of the oldest ones with the most shit to move for last.

                                        The Black Metal is Loud, its almost 10 am.

                                        Its gonna be a long day.


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                                        • BJ
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                                          • Mar 2002
                                          • 5590

                                          #21
                                          didnt they receive 5mill in VC?

                                          Maybe they're in meetings with the board------>takeover

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                                          • Sly_RJ
                                            Live Hard - Die Hard
                                            • Feb 2002
                                            • 17042

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Fletch XXX


                                            I feel ya bruh.

                                            I left a few of the oldest ones with the most shit to move for last.

                                            The Black Metal is Loud, its almost 10 am.

                                            Its gonna be a long day.

                                            I woke up in such a great mood today. I'm going Christmas shopping for my little brothers in 3 hours. It's fucking Christmas. I feel like breaking out the bottle of Jack now. I'm not losing much money, so it's not stress, it's being fucking lied to and scammed that pisses me off.

                                            Amp, I feel your pain.

                                            Jason, get your ho chasing ass on ICQ and make me happy. You playa.

                                            I feel like calling Visa. Where's psycho when you need him?
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                                            • cherrylula
                                              lol
                                              • Jan 2002
                                              • 15969

                                              #23
                                              hey Sly did they bill you for this month yet? We didn't get billed.... it can't be a good sign?

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                                              • Sly_RJ
                                                Live Hard - Die Hard
                                                • Feb 2002
                                                • 17042

                                                #24
                                                I wasn't sent an invoice as per usual. I would check my credit card, but I don't have an online account associated with the card I used.

                                                Which box are you guys on? I was on bsd60.
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                                                • Fletch XXX
                                                  GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                  • Jan 2002
                                                  • 60840

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                                                  I wasn't sent an invoice as per usual. I would check my credit card, but I don't have an online account associated with the card I used.

                                                  Which box are you guys on? I was on bsd60.
                                                  Yes, the beloved BSD60.


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                                                  • Barry Porn
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                                                    • Oct 2001
                                                    • 257

                                                    #26
                                                    I wonder why they didn't just label it BSD01.

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                                                    • cherrylula
                                                      lol
                                                      • Jan 2002
                                                      • 15969

                                                      #27
                                                      It always amazes me the things people doing "business" can get away with.

                                                      amazing

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                                                      • Sly_RJ
                                                        Live Hard - Die Hard
                                                        • Feb 2002
                                                        • 17042

                                                        #28
                                                        Ok, I'm going out.

                                                        Someone keep this thread posted/bumped/whatever.

                                                        And thanks to those of you who have ICQed me with information, appreciated.
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                                                        • Fletch XXX
                                                          GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                          • Jan 2002
                                                          • 60840

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Sly_RJ


                                                          And thanks to those of you who have ICQed me with information, appreciated.
                                                          Why dont you icq me some of that info when you get back Ponch.


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                                                          • Sly_RJ
                                                            Live Hard - Die Hard
                                                            • Feb 2002
                                                            • 17042

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Fletch XXX


                                                            Why dont you icq me some of that info when you get back Ponch.

                                                            Call me tonight home slice.
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                                                            • Fletch XXX
                                                              GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                              • Jan 2002
                                                              • 60840

                                                              #31
                                                              Been uploadin for hours.

                                                              its 2:30 still down.

                                                              24 oz Corona.


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                                                              • fiveyes
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                                                                • Aug 2001
                                                                • 1680

                                                                #32
                                                                That's a bitch all around, Fletch.

                                                                I don't have any suggestions for your present situation, but you might look into <A HREF="http://www.rsync.org/" target="_blank">rsync</A> for future moves. Instead of the download/upload bit, it does a direct transfer from one box to the other. You just have to establish it as a daemon on one, doesn't matter which, and then call from the other with the proper command. Since you're using their pipes and intervening connections, it's FAST! Also, you can preserve or change ownership as needed and keep file permissions and even symlinks, making for a perfect mirror.
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                                                                • jas1552
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                                                                  • May 2002
                                                                  • 1462

                                                                  #33
                                                                  That's weird. I'm on bsd60 and I can still login. I just started downloading all my stuff from there when I saw this thread. Is it still down for you?
                                                                  Last edited by jas1552; 12-13-2002, 02:10 PM.

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                                                                  • Fletch XXX
                                                                    GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                                    • 60840

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Still down.

                                                                    Cant ftp.


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                                                                    • jas1552
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                                                                      • May 2002
                                                                      • 1462

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Hmm... I'm still downloading all my shit from bsd60.

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                                                                      • jas1552
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • May 2002
                                                                        • 1462

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Finished.

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                                                                        • CC
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Feb 2001
                                                                          • 1690

                                                                          #37
                                                                          My favorite part of the whole thing is that the boobs never even emailed their virtual clients (i.e. me) to let us know that they were closing our accounts. I treat my $19.95/month paysite members about a hundred times better than Cologroup treated me and I was paying much more than $19.95/month. The only reason I found out that they were cutting us off on Dec 31 (gee, is it New Year's Eve already?) is because I read GFY.

                                                                          Good lord, what person in their right mind would ever get a dedicated server with them after seeing their atrocious customer service in these past few instances? Not me, lol. Luckily my "real" host treats me like gold so I'm just moving everything to them once and for all. To top it all off, I still was in the process of transferring my shit from their server to my box with my other host when they were so kind to cut us off today. Yeah, yeah I know you get what you pay for...but I thought I was paying for SOMETHING, not a big bunch of headaches. Ok thank you for letting me vent a bit.

                                                                          Cassie

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                                                                          • Fletch XXX
                                                                            GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                                            • Jan 2002
                                                                            • 60840

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by jas1552
                                                                            Finished.
                                                                            Are you trying to rub it in?

                                                                            I have AVS sites that I make sales on everyday, that havent loaded in over 24 hours because a company pulled the plug.

                                                                            Laugh, but I am losing money.

                                                                            Keep fucking rubbing it in.


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                                                                            • jas1552
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                                                                              • May 2002
                                                                              • 1462

                                                                              #39
                                                                              I wasn't trying to rub it in. Just being informative. I wonder why I can log in but you can't. Maybe it's some dns thing.

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                                                                              • pimpshost
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Feb 2002
                                                                                • 1052

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Last night we went through the DNS records and checked who was still using our DNS. If we found people where not using our DNS anymore, we turned off FTP and deleted the DNS records. We did not delete any files.

                                                                                Almost of your (Fletch) domains where pointed elsewhere, so we took your login off and took the DNS entries out. I sent you a copy of the list.

                                                                                I also got 1 other email about someone who said they had not transferred all their domains, but where not able to ftp. All the other accounts are up and running that had DNS pointed to us and it will stay up through the end of the month. Aside from that, all the other accounts that where turned off obviously had moved elsewhere.

                                                                                Fletch, you where always a good customer, but from what I saw, you had moved your stuff. You have the documentation I sent you, so you can see what I was looking.
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                                                                                • Fletch XXX
                                                                                  GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                                                  • Jan 2002
                                                                                  • 60840

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by pimpshost


                                                                                  Almost of your (Fletch) domains where pointed elsewhere, so we took your login off and took the DNS entries out. I sent you a copy of the list.

                                                                                  Here you admit, 'most' meaning 'not all' were pointed elsewhere, yet you close my login?

                                                                                  I dont get it?

                                                                                  I admit, I only have a couple domains still there, as I posted above, regardless, my access is gone, and it was supposed to be 30 days?

                                                                                  This is bullshit man and you know it, I didnt do shit to deserve an act like this. I had 2 or 3 domains to transfer.

                                                                                  Youre right I was a good customer.

                                                                                  Thanks.

                                                                                  Last edited by Fletch XXX; 12-13-2002, 03:29 PM.

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                                                                                  • AcidMax
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                                                                                    • May 2002
                                                                                    • 1827

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by Fletch XXX


                                                                                    Here you admit, 'most' meaning 'not all' were pointed elsewhere, yet you close my login?

                                                                                    I dont get it?

                                                                                    I admit, I only have a couple domains still there, as I posted above, regardless, my access is gone, and it was supposed to be 30 days?

                                                                                    This is bullshit man and you know it, I didnt do shit to deserve no act like this. I had 2 or 3 domains to transfer.

                                                                                    Youre right I was a good customer.

                                                                                    Thanks.

                                                                                    I'm not trying to pile on here or anything, but Jason, you shouldn't have messed with anyones stuff until the day you said you were going to close them down. FletchXXX lost more money posting on this board and trying to get your attention than probably what he was paying in hosting ( I don't know that, it is only a guess. ) I don't do hosting, but to me I would be pissed too if I couldn't get service to something that I had been paying for, regardless of whether or not you checked. Notifications should be given man.

                                                                                    Anyhow, good luck cologroup with all your future plans, hopefully you guys get your stuff worked out.

                                                                                    Sorry about the downtime FletchXXX, I had a server go belly up on me a couple years ago with no backups. Had to start from scratch..it sucked...but it was a lesson to me. Just think, maybe something good will come out of this for ya

                                                                                    Peace,
                                                                                    Andy
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                                                                                    • quiet
                                                                                      we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                                                                                      • Sep 2001
                                                                                      • 25115

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      no doubt. i'd be super fucking pissed.

                                                                                      why would you kill his account, if in fact it was supposed to be 30 days? who cares if 'most' of his domains were moved? one or two domains may be much more important than 1000 others.
                                                                                      Last edited by quiet; 12-13-2002, 03:35 PM.
                                                                                      we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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                                                                                      • CC
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                                                                                        • Feb 2001
                                                                                        • 1690

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by quiet
                                                                                        no doubt. i'd be super fucking pissed.

                                                                                        why would you kill his account, if in fact it was supposed to be 30 days? who cares if 'most' of his domains were moved? one or two domains may be much more important than 1000 others.
                                                                                        I'd like to know this too.

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                                                                                        • cherrylula
                                                                                          lol
                                                                                          • Jan 2002
                                                                                          • 15969

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by quiet
                                                                                          no doubt. i'd be super fucking pissed.

                                                                                          why would you kill his account, if in fact it was supposed to be 30 days? who cares if 'most' of his domains were moved? one or two domains may be much more important than 1000 others.
                                                                                          and of course, we left the largest of them to move til last.... bad fucking idea.

                                                                                          chump it up to learning.

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                                                                                          • AcidMax
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                                                                                            • May 2002
                                                                                            • 1827

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by cherrylula


                                                                                            and of course, we left the largest of them to move til last.... bad fucking idea.

                                                                                            chump it up to learning.
                                                                                            Not your fault...you were given a date and your host had ants in their pants

                                                                                            Most people would leave the largest items for last. Just unfortunate that they didn't consider that. Hope the rest of the transition goes smooth.

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                                                                                            • BlackRain
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                                                                                              • May 2002
                                                                                              • 110

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Just to add my two cents. I came very close to pulling the trigger and signing up with Cologroup for virtual hosting just a few short weeks ago.

                                                                                              After reading this GFY board, I believe I made the right decision and going with Isprime.

                                                                                              Sorry about all the grief you folks are having, I've had similar problems with hosts in the past.

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                                                                                              • Fletch XXX
                                                                                                GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                                                                • Jan 2002
                                                                                                • 60840

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by quiet
                                                                                                who cares if 'most' of his domains were moved?
                                                                                                For the record, there were 14 domains left to move per Jason's email.


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                                                                                                • SpeakEasy
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                                                                                                  • Sep 2002
                                                                                                  • 2681

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by quiet
                                                                                                  no doubt. i'd be super fucking pissed.

                                                                                                  why would you kill his account, if in fact it was supposed to be 30 days? who cares if 'most' of his domains were moved? one or two domains may be much more important than 1000 others.
                                                                                                  Very good point??, but maybe the truth is they lost the server??..or an employee took it home for the weekend?? Who knows
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                                                                                                  • Sly_RJ
                                                                                                    Live Hard - Die Hard
                                                                                                    • Feb 2002
                                                                                                    • 17042

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by pimpshost
                                                                                                    Last night we went through the DNS records and checked who was still using our DNS. If we found people where not using our DNS anymore, we turned off FTP and deleted the DNS records. We did not delete any files.

                                                                                                    Almost of your (Fletch) domains where pointed elsewhere, so we took your login off and took the DNS entries out. I sent you a copy of the list.

                                                                                                    I also got 1 other email about someone who said they had not transferred all their domains, but where not able to ftp. All the other accounts are up and running that had DNS pointed to us and it will stay up through the end of the month. Aside from that, all the other accounts that where turned off obviously had moved elsewhere.

                                                                                                    Fletch, you where always a good customer, but from what I saw, you had moved your stuff. You have the documentation I sent you, so you can see what I was looking.
                                                                                                    I don't know what to say.

                                                                                                    I can't express words right now.

                                                                                                    I'll be back...
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