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#1 That design was NEVER sold...
#2 I STILL own copyright on it.
#3 You WILL pay me for that design or you will fucking remove it immediately.
#4 If you do not remove it, I will auction that design tonight and post the source for free for all to have.
still think I don't have my fingers in it?
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It's called the "be-dazzler." Look into it.Originally posted by pornJester
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I have tryed to be civil with you. I will repeat this one more time ...
We Got this design from Duane Not you! As far as I can tell he designed it , Period ... Your problem is with him. Should you have a problem with me .. contact me and our lawyers can work it out ...
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Sold = money to the designerOriginally posted by vidvicious
Todd/AMP,
Understand that once the design is sold it belongs to the person that bought it.
no money to designer = not sold
not sold = amp has copyrights
In my bussiness, if the customer havent recived a bill yet, he dosent have the "right of ownership" So if you havent got a bill, you dont have ownership. But again - thats hardware i sell, not design
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lol, i'm not up for an arts & crafts sessionOriginally posted by RedShoe
It's called the "be-dazzler." Look into it.
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Thisis all good and well but HUNGRYMAN was the one person I left off my "NOT PAYING UP" thread. I asked without mentioning names at Porn city on what I should do.. Hungryman won't reutn my messages any more.. I didn't want to mention his name cos he has helped me a GREAT deal and has given me ongoing work until I said enough is enough... I need to be paid for the jobs I am doing.Originally posted by vidvicious
Todd/AMP,
You don't know me. I am the VP of Operations for Paysigndesign.com. When I was notified of your post (by one of my clients) I decided to research this "new information" before responding to your accusations, Because they are accusations. In my search I found that Paysitedesign.com not only never hired you to do design work but also there doesn;t seem to be an moneys owed to you for any work done. WHich made me wonder why you would accuse us of not paying you. Then I thought I should look into this further. ANd that is when I made a discovery. Duane/Pensfran seems to be the person for whom you worked for, Since that is whom we got that design from. (XXXdesisgngroup.com) You're grevence is with Pensfran and not Hungryman nor paysitedesign.com. You have made some serious accusations here. We never have hired you or even commissioned you to do any work for us. If any moneys are owed to you they are owed to you by Pensfan not us. We cleared our bussiness with him when XXXdesigngroup.com was desolved. He was paid for the designs that hungryman brought over to Paysitedesign. What we do with bought designs is our bussiness. As it is you 're personal clients bussiness...what they do with designs they commission from you. You are a designer, so you, better then anybody else should Understand that once the design is sold it belongs to the person that bought it.
Also I'd like to add that our clientele cums to us for they're design needs because they want to be able to recieve the right designer for the job in question. At paysitedesign we have over 10 freelance sat designers working with us. Our designs are a complation of work from different artist. And we never make the claim that paysite design is one person, or one designer.
I'd like to ask you to retract the accusations you have made here tonight. This is not the forum or place to dig holes. All you had to do was talk so somebody at paysitedesign.com Contact numbers are there for just that reason. This delma of yours might of faired differently.
I apologise to any of our clients that read this. It is unfortunate that a single person whom didn't have his facts straight would go to this lenght to accuse an induvidual or company, without having all the facts. I 'm sorry you had to witness this.
Amp/Todd, If in fact you were commissined by XXXdesigngroup.com for that base design, then your paymant should cum from them. If all you were looking for was recognition, we would of Gladly given to you, had we known.
Vid Vicious
PS Voodoo, It is our discretion to hire designers,and not the designers choice. just because u had a conversation on ICQ doesn't mean u got the job.
Vid Vicious, please as I have done over $3000 worth of work for Hungryman (That is my share of th emoney.. so in fact I have done alot more $$$ worth) Please ask Hungryman to pay me the remaining $1092. If he is so busy why can't he afford to pay me?
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Amp can you contact me please?Comment
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Some guy "buys" a Ferrari and never actually pays for it, and then sells it to you for 50 bucks. You're not in the wrong at all? And the original owner has no entitlement to his car?Originally posted by vidvicious
I have tryed to be civil with you. I will repeat this one more time ...
We Got this design from Duane Not you! As far as I can tell he designed it , Period ... Your problem is with him. Should you have a problem with me .. contact me and our lawyers can work it out ...
I see.. This is how things work with Paysite Design?26 + 6 = 1Comment
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I liked your first response.. well mostly. It wasa about as civil as I spose you could beOriginally posted by vidvicious
I have tryed to be civil with you. I will repeat this one more time ...
We Got this design from Duane Not you! As far as I can tell he designed it , Period ... Your problem is with him. Should you have a problem with me .. contact me and our lawyers can work it out ...
Good Night.
However, this response is where you fucked up. Cuz your lawyers will tell you to pay the designer for the design or take it down - you dont own it, it is stolen property.....Comment
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I hate to have to say this out loud like this, but you design companies better start paying your designers. I've heard this kind of shit happening far too often lately, and this isn't the first time I've heard the name Pensfan, hungryman, and a few others mentioned in this regard. Hey, it's your companies and your reps that are being tarnished, but I'm hoping that instead of coming here and posturing like my learned friend Vid Vicious has done so far, you will take a more amicable stance and help to make things right.
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As I stated in the other HM thread, I'm owed money by these jokers as well.
I fail to understand how Hungryman can afford to hire an "executive" but he cannot afford to pay his designers.
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That was what I have been wondering...Originally posted by diggy
As I stated in the other HM thread, I'm owed money by these jokers as well.
I fail to understand how Hungryman can afford to hire an "executive" but he cannot afford to pay his designers.Comment
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Hungryman got all pissed at me one day from a thread where I questioned if he owed my friend.Originally posted by diggy
As I stated in the other HM thread, I'm owed money by these jokers as well.
I fail to understand how Hungryman can afford to hire an "executive" but he cannot afford to pay his designers.
He owes him for more than one toon logo. So I called him on it.
He got totally fucking pissed.
Now I find he owes more than one designer - While you fucking owe my boy for more than one job?
I think these debts needs to be settled, and soon.
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I don't like dishonesty, and scumbags. Not directed at anyone in particular. I just don't like any of you who fit this description.
edit: typoLast edited by Jakke PNG; 11-25-2002, 03:37 AM...and I'm off.Comment
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The designer is the holder of the copyright until HE is paid. It doesn't matter if you paid the guy you contracted with...the designer is the holder of the copyright until he gets paid. Period.
Imagine your shock and the client's shock when your client gets a C & D letter from some unknown dude letting you know you're in copyright violation until he gets paid. Think it can't happen...?Comment
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Great idea mate....Originally posted by chodadog
Some guy "buys" a Ferrari and never actually pays for it, and then sells it to you for 50 bucks. You're not in the wrong at all? And the original owner has no entitlement to his car?
I see.. This is how things work with Paysite Design?
Now all I got to do is find someone to buy a ferrari and not pay for it then sell it to me and I am laughing as I will own this hot car...
Sweeeeeeeeeeet.......
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Gah, i just realised how badly i worded that. haha.Originally posted by Ross
Great idea mate....
Now all I got to do is find someone to buy a ferrari and not pay for it then sell it to me and I am laughing as I will own this hot car...
Sweeeeeeeeeeet.......
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I'm selling the designs to The Hun, Al4A, Shemp and some others real cheap. Let me know if you want to buy.If any moneys are owed to you they are owed to you by Pensfan not us. We cleared our bussiness with him when XXXdesigngroup.com was desolved. He was paid for the designs that hungryman brought over to Paysitedesign. What we do with bought designs is our bussinessComment
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yeah rightOriginally posted by QuaShe
I guess if he is flaming like this he has some proof
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i never knew you swung that wayOriginally posted by Amputate Your Head
He doesn't know it yet, but I fucking own his ASS.
you're such a batty boy
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amp is this for real......
fucking scary shit!!! but I like the fact you did their site "undercover"
thats so so so so SO evil mate!!
but as you say : Better to be dead & cool... than alive and uncool
Did you fucking talk to me??!
Who the fuck told you to talk to me??!"Comment
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I didn't even know that there were design "companies" like this. Maybe it's because I've never hired a designer and I don't know anything.
But I always thought from a layman's point of view that Hungryman did his own designs. I'm not saying that he ever explicitly stated that he did them, but it "appeared" that he did them. Just like it "appears" like people like fletch and amp do their own designs. I truly believed that the cartoon of hungryman with his thumb up was actually drawn by him.
If I bought a design from fletch, I would be expecting to have fletch's specific artistic touches put on it because design is like art. If I found out that fletch actually had settheworldonfire doing his designs, I wouldn't be mad, but I would make sure to go to whoever it was who designed my shit DIRECTLY next time. But if I knew that it was a design "company" from the start, then I would have no problem at all.
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get your tongue out of his assholeOriginally posted by vegasdude
but as you say : Better to be dead & cool... than alive and uncool
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Hmmm Hungry has had that design for quite some time. Amp why all of a sudden did you decide to get on his case about it now?
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because he got sick of the excuses for not being paid DHComment
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Haha, nice. Haven't seen you in a while Jak.Originally posted by Jak
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no shit.... why go through some third party who is only in it for their profit. They call them SALES REPS, turning a buck by selling someone elses work. Not a friggin designer. damn art pimps what to doOriginally posted by BVF
I didn't even know that there were design "companies" like this. Maybe it's because I've never hired a designer and I don't know anything.
But I always thought from a layman's point of view that Hungryman did his own designs. I'm not saying that he ever explicitly stated that he did them, but it "appeared" that he did them. Just like it "appears" like people like fletch and amp do their own designs. I truly believed that the cartoon of hungryman with his thumb up was actually drawn by him.
If I bought a design from fletch, I would be expecting to have fletch's specific artistic touches put on it because design is like art. If I found out that fletch actually had settheworldonfire doing his designs, I wouldn't be mad, but I would make sure to go to whoever it was who designed my shit DIRECTLY next time. But if I knew that it was a design "company" from the start, then I would have no problem at all.
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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
Fletch.... you & cherry are cool as fucking hell... and nothing on this board will ever change that in my eyes....
you guys fucking ROCK!!!
you too sir
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He didnt draw that cartoon either I bet?Originally posted by BVF
But I always thought from a layman's point of view that Hungryman did his own designs. I'm not saying that he ever explicitly stated that he did them, but it "appeared" that he did them. Just like it "appears" like people like fletch and amp do their own designs. I truly believed that the cartoon of hungryman with his thumb up was actually drawn by him.
Does Hungry do any work?
Ive asked to see 'Hungryman's toons - he links toons that others have drawn.
In fact have seen him say my boy Dagget could draw toons better on ANY day than he ever could - and even says he pays my friend more than the others. And that he is one of Hungrymans best toonists.
Yet, has your 'best toonist' been paid for his services?
Nope.
Why? Because he isnt in this industry - he is a friend of my cvlose friends, and Hungryman better not fuck him.
Better fucking not.
I just woke up and this shits still at the top.Last edited by Fletch XXX; 11-25-2002, 08:24 AM.
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Probably cuz hungry hasn't had a word yet. Ppl are waiting.Originally posted by Fletch XXX
I just woke up and this shits still at the top...and I'm off.Comment
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Hungry used to take 2 days to reply to threads likeOriginally posted by TeenGodFather
Probably cuz hungry hasn't had a word yet. Ppl are waiting.
'Hungry did you do that toon'
He obviously knows about this thread as werll as others.
Seriously, he better pay up, this shit is getting bad.
hes fucking too many people now.
How long have people been owed?
I know my boy has been being told 'next monday' for like 2 months and still Hungry is trying to lay jobs on him.
What the fuck Hungry - pay yuour fucking bills and stop fucking my friend.
Lame fucking people.
I hate people who cant fucking pay their bills.
I seen the guy who owns http://www.kingofbabes.com try to sell his site on GFY.
Has he not paid Hungryman for the logo my friend did?
Then why hasnt my friend been paid?
Just asking, and I never get an answer.
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ya know, since hungryman has so many talented designers under him anyhow, why doesn't he just get one of them to do a new design for the site? Shouldn't be too tough to do.Comment
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I did graphic design for print at one point in my life, frequently working for ad agencies, and even there they leveled with the client that they were using outside help, and frequently I was there with the agency and client when the artwork was presented.Originally posted by CDSmith
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Too funny.
IN that Voodoo icq log you have Hungry claiming designers dont produce or meet deadlines when they have been [paid up front.
Can quote it.
Then he goes on to say how he pays 'in full when finished'
ummm, then pay the people you owe Hungry.
Why havent you?
Its as simple as your own words - and you not living by them.
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GFY atmosphere is yet to be beaten anywhere in the online world. Something wonderful. Although, this would suck for hungry, if he infact is innocent.. if he isn't, this is what exposing should feel like...and I'm off.Comment
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Wrong kids there is a rigt way and a wrong way of doin things .. Amp chose the wrong way.
Threats and insults will never get you want you want. Oh and threats just fuel a fire. THat's what he did ... He was asked by many to tone it down .. And still has yet to confirm or back up anything he has said. I've been in the Arts for 20 years. I know copyright .. ANd so far there is nothing that validates his story ... If he was smart or just polite he would of got intouched with us and explained his delema. We hadnt heard anything about this before. But rather he decided to air his laundry. His claim bairly enters him in small claims court. While mine can last for weeks. THink about that for awhile .. Think about everything he has written here, it's all admissable. .. Good dayLast edited by vidvicious; 11-25-2002, 09:20 AM.3D-VR live webcams
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Thanks man. I'm around here and there. Busy making money so my posts are pretty sporadicOriginally posted by chodadog
Haha, nice. Haven't seen you in a while Jak.
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I don't mean to be an anal bitch, but... as an Executive representing a "professional design company", could you please double check your spelling. It's annoying reading your posts and having to assume what words were supposed to be.Originally posted by vidvicious
Wrong kids there is a rigt way and a wrong way of doin things .. Amp chose the wrong way.
Treats and insults will never get you want you want. Oh and treats just fuel a fire. THat's what he did ... He was asked by many to tone down his accusations .. And still has yet to confirm or back up anything he has said. I've been in the Arts for 20 years. I know copyright .. ANd so far there is nothing that validates his story ... If he was smart or just polite he would of got inthoched with us and explained his delema. But rather he decided to air his laundry. His claim bairly enters him in small claims court. While mine can last for weeks. THnk oabout that fro awhile .. Think about everything he has written here, it's all admissable. He has proven to himself to me and everybody here. He is incapable of proof and worst then that, is incapable of bein civil ...
Count yourself lucky to have never used him for work .. Christ we never hired him and look what happen, We are being blamed by association. Get your facts straight young man, Did you or didn't get renumerated by your friend?
And where is your PO or invoice to back up your claim? Anyone can build a source .. Good day
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Fill me in as to what exactly is his story, or Sly if you know the exact claim that Amp is making how about you filling me in?Originally posted by vidvicious
Wrong kids there is a rigt way and a wrong way of doin things .. Amp chose the wrong way.
Threats and insults will never get you want you want. Oh and threats just fuel a fire. THat's what he did ... He was asked by many to tone it down .. And still has yet to confirm or back up anything he has said. I've been in the Arts for 20 years. I know copyright .. ANd so far there is nothing that validates his story ... If he was smart or just polite he would of got intouched with us and explained his delema. We hadnt heard anything about this before. But rather he decided to air his laundry. His claim bairly enters him in small claims court. While mine can last for weeks. THink about that for awhile .. Think about everything he has written here, it's all admissable. .. Good dayWhen you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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I'm too busy not making money, so my posts are very regular.Originally posted by Jak
Thanks man. I'm around here and there. Busy making money so my posts are pretty sporadic
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A midget standing on the shoulders of a giant can see much further than the giant.Originally posted by Fletch XXX
I think its really fucking lame when people use *other* peoples work and use that to get credit among peers for creativity, when its not them.
And then in the end HUngryman gets paid for the job, yet as we see the *real* designers are not getting paid.
I dont think its cool at all.
Thats one of the 48 laws of Power.
The "Great" Thomas Edison was a master of this.
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It boils down like this, or at least my take on it.
Amp designed Paysite Design. Nobody seems to be arguing that.
The real question is who Amp did the work for. Amp was saying earlier on he did it for Hungry, yet Vid is saying the design was purchased from Pensfan and Amp did the work for Pensfan. Nobody seems to be refuting the second claim, as of yet, so it looks to me like that's what happened.
If that IS what happened. All of this is crazy. Amp should have said, hey, Pensfan never paid me for your design, let's get this handled. If Hungry had any integrity at all, the situation would've been taken care of. But, Hungry already has a tainted reputation amongst many, so it's hard to say. I don't really know Hungry, tried to talk to him a couple times about a free gallery he offered me, never heard back.
Who knows. Just a lot of flaming and siding. There are little facts involved. I have no doubt that Amp didn't get paid. Just wondering WHO was supposed to pay him.
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Took the words right outta my mouth Sly....LOLOriginally posted by Sly_RJ
I don't mean to be an anal bitch, but... as an Executive representing a "professional design company", could you please double check your spelling. It's annoying reading your posts and having to assume what words were supposed to be.
Carry on...
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Well so far nobody has proved otherwise either. Maybe you guys should post something proving that you own the design (like a paid invoice), and don't owe payment on it. After all, that pretty design has been chillin right there on psd dot com for a few months now. How's business?Originally posted by vidvicious
Wrong kids there is a rigt way and a wrong way of doin things .. Amp chose the wrong way.
Threats and insults will never get you want you want. Oh and threats just fuel a fire. THat's what he did ... He was asked by many to tone it down .. And still has yet to confirm or back up anything he has said. I've been in the Arts for 20 years. I know copyright .. ANd so far there is nothing that validates his story ... If he was smart or just polite he would of got intouched with us and explained his delema. We hadnt heard anything about this before. But rather he decided to air his laundry. His claim bairly enters him in small claims court. While mine can last for weeks. THink about that for awhile .. Think about everything he has written here, it's all admissable. .. Good day
If your design company is soooo professional just change the design, and wash your hands of it. The damage seems to be done.
This is like an episode of Cops, where they arrest some guy and pull a bag of crack out of his pocket, yet he claims someone put it there and its not his, or his fault. Or those guys who get pulled over in a stolen car they just borrowed from a friend.
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Originally posted by chodadog
I'm too busy not making money, so my posts are very regular.
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