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How many people here promote twinks or teens with out any worries?

11-13-2009, 09:10 PM

Maybe this is just me, but I am working on a couple twink sites and after looking at some of these sites damn these guys look young. I know some girls on teen sites look real young too.

Keep in mind, im looking at some sites I have never heard of before so I don't know how credible they are. So I click their 2257 link to see where they are located and when it is cyprus or other similar countries I have to pass. I figure if it is a USA address then you would think they would have their shit together, cp will get you locked up for many years in the US.

If they are out of the US, I don't know the people running the company, they wont get in trouble by the US police if they didn't document the models ages properly.

I wonder how many people here just have blind faith and will promote content from any company assuming that the company did their job and everything is on the up and up. Not to mention that all of these sites say "Young this and that".

This isn't a 2257 issue, I don't think you can say " oh I didn't know the guy was 15, I don't have access to those docs, it's not my fault", last I checked CP was CP.

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11-13-2009, 09:12 PM

I guess the question is how long are you "looking" at these sites

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11-13-2009, 09:16 PM

Originally posted by Spunky

I guess the question is how long are you "looking" at these sites

just the front page.... or were you trying to make a joke ? I am immune to porn, doesn't matter if it is twinks or 800 pound fat women, my flags just go off when something doen't look legal.

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11-13-2009, 09:21 PM

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I guess the question is how long are you "looking" at these sites

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11-13-2009, 09:26 PM

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11-13-2009, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by Spunky

I guess the question is how long are you "looking" at these sites
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11-13-2009, 10:06 PM

I understand what Will is saying. I myself bypass many European sites because honestly the guys and many of the girls look to young. They claim a valid 2257 on all models, I just do not feel safe enough promoting them though. For awhile I would but I would not use any images or videos in promotions. I would just use text links or straight odd traffic (Exit, 404, etc.). I stopped even doing that though.

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11-14-2009, 12:33 AM

Originally posted by will76

This isn't a 2257 issue, I don't think you can say " oh I didn't know the guy was 15, I don't have access to those docs, it's not my fault", last I checked CP was CP.

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2257 is indeed the issue, because it's designed to make you "guilty" and criminal, if you haven't verified the model age. In theory, you can go to jail even if you verified the age of a girl in a hardcore scene.. because you 'forgot' the check the age of the guy getting the blowjob. How many US webmasters remember to check both models?
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11-14-2009, 12:41 AM

Originally posted by Dirty Dane

2257 is indeed the issue, because it's designed to make you "guilty" and criminal, if you haven't verified the model age. In theory, you can go to jail even if you verified the age of a girl in a hardcore scene.. because you 'forgot' the check the age of the guy getting the blowjob. How many US webmasters remember to check both models?

When I say its not a 2257 issue I am talking about violating 2257, whether or not you have docs on file, if they were done properly, etc.. etc.. What I was mentioning here is if a company CLAIMS that all of their models are over 18 and they are not, they just say they are because they are in some country that doesn't give a shit about 2257 so what do they care. A 2257 violation is nothing compared to a CP charge. If the company violates 2257 by not documenting correctly then thats on them, not me. If the same company is found out to have CP and lied that all models were 18 or older and I am promoting them, then my ass is in the same boat with them.

You bring up a good point, of what if the company (you are trusting) didn't even bother to do documentation on the guy. If the guy looks of age then it just a 2257 violation. If he looks like a minor then it goes back to what I am saying here. You can get locked up a long long time for CP. Do people just blindly trust some of these companies that use very questionable content that are located in countries that probably don't give a shit about the age of the models. Or do people even care and if a company has an affiliate program they just promote because that means its all good ?

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11-14-2009, 01:04 AM

bottom line is - you need to KNOW what is on YOUR servers - that's what the judge will ask

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11-14-2009, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by will76

Do people just blindly trust some of these companies that use very questionable content that are located in countries that probably don't give a shit about the age of the models. Or do people even care and if a company has an affiliate program they just promote because that means its all good ?

I think many are too scared to ask for docs, because it may sound like an accusation.
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11-14-2009, 01:55 AM

What programs are they on? That is my first question. I promote gay, and I am very familiar with it. Some programs you can trust, some you cannot. You don't have to mention sites, but maybe just the programs and I can give you an idea to steer clear or if you are okay.

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11-14-2009, 05:40 AM

Originally posted by SleazyDream

bottom line is - you need to KNOW what is on YOUR servers - that's what the judge will ask

I agree, but even linking to the wrong site could get you in trouble.

Originally posted by 'mo

What programs are they on? That is my first question. I promote gay, and I am very familiar with it. Some programs you can trust, some you cannot. You don't have to mention sites, but maybe just the programs and I can give you an idea to steer clear or if you are okay.

Thanks, but no offense, I don't know you either. I just can't take someone's word for it I don't know when it deals with several years in jail.

I've never promoted the barely legal teen and twinks sites where some of the guys look 15 years old. Any of the teen sites I did promote the girls didn't look questionable and the companies were us/canada based so I felt a lot safer. It seems like all of these twink sites with guys that look 15 are foreign countries (to me).

I am definitly not going to name names or accuse people, just a general question asking how many people think about this thing / worry about it. Or do a lot of people just take the site's word for it because they have a 2257 link that says all of their models are 18 or older. I was curious how many people were concerned about this or not, wasn't something I ever heard people talking about.

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11-14-2009, 08:24 AM

Over 11+ yrs in the biz I have never promoted anything teen related and never will, legal or not. Makes me uncomfy and I just don't need the worry.
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11-14-2009, 08:31 AM

i don't like promoting girls that i think look too young. doesn't matter if they're legal or not, if they look like a little kid i'm not having it.

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11-14-2009, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by will76

This isn't a 2257 issue, I don't think you can say " oh I didn't know the guy was 15, I don't have access to those docs, it's not my fault", last I checked CP was CP.

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I think you don't have a clue what cp is if you think it involved 15 year olds.
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11-14-2009, 08:48 AM

I have never personally touched anything 'teeny', if girls look to young I do not promote them.

The twink programs I use are very legit and the best in the business so I have nothing to worry about.. Maybe get to know who you are promoting a little?

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11-14-2009, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by will76

I've never promoted the barely legal teen and twinks sites where some of the guys look 15 years old. Any of the teen sites I did promote the girls didn't look questionable and the companies were us/canada based so I felt a lot safer. It seems like all of these twink sites with guys that look 15 are foreign countries (to me).

Why do you think us/canada based companies are more "safer"? Many programs buy their content from other countries, and look is not the same as age. I can't remember her name, but there was a US girl some years ago, she looked like late 20s but was younger, and in some of the sessions she was only 17. Not explicite though... Opposite, many who look young are older than they look. Hell, I have tons of docs of East-European girls, and I was surprised that many of them were 22-23 years old at the time. And what about those asian girls? They are all small... Thats how the way it is in this biz, and the only way you can be 100% safe with explicite content, is to ask for docs. Which is required by US law.
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11-14-2009, 10:16 AM

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I think you don't have a clue what cp is if you think it involved 15 year olds.

She could be 17 years old.....The charge you will catch is CHILD PORNOGRAPHY....And I doubt that you will have time to explain to your cellmate bubba that it was just an older teenage that lied as opposed to a 5 year old.

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11-14-2009, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by baddog

I think you don't have a clue what cp is if you think it involved 15 year olds.

really? So a naked picture of a 15 year old on a porn site is not child porn? News to me. I don't think the authorities would agree with you.

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11-14-2009, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by Dirty Dane

Why do you think us/canada based companies are more "safer"? Many programs buy their content from other countries, and look is not the same as age. I can't remember her name, but there was a US girl some years ago, she looked like late 20s but was younger, and in some of the sessions she was only 17. Not explicite though... Opposite, many who look young are older than they look. Hell, I have tons of docs of East-European girls, and I was surprised that many of them were 22-23 years old at the time. And what about those asian girls? They are all small... Thats how the way it is in this biz, and the only way you can be 100% safe with explicite content, is to ask for docs. Which is required by US law.

How many programs give out all of the age docs for their models to their affiliates ?

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11-14-2009, 11:59 AM

just like sleazy said, dont HOST anything on your end that dont seem legit

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11-14-2009, 12:17 PM

from what i remember the u.s. dosent consider tits and ass porn. but if you can see the genitals then that is the main issue. if you have a bunch of twinks just showing their ass then it dosent matter. its only when you can see their "special purpose".
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11-14-2009, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by stoner529

from what i remember the u.s. dosent consider tits and ass porn. but if you can see the genitals then that is the main issue. if you have a bunch of twinks just showing their ass then it dosent matter. its only when you can see their "special purpose".

I seem to remember a case where a guy in Florida I believe was arressted for taking pictures of early teens in panties and other sexy "poses" and putting them on a membership site. They didnt show any skin that you wouldnt see with a bathing suit on. I don't think your analysis is correct.

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11-14-2009, 01:57 PM

BTW Will76, in my answer I was speaking about age when I said 2257. Especially with European sites mostly because the barely legal models on those sites look way younger than the majority of teen sites in the US. It is pretty damn rare when a US Teen site where I can at least apply some personal judgement.

I also get concerned with the ease of getting false identification in such countries.

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11-14-2009, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by will76

I seem to remember a case where a guy in Florida I believe was arressted for taking pictures of early teens in panties and other sexy "poses" and putting them on a membership site. They didnt show any skin that you wouldnt see with a bathing suit on. I don't think your analysis is correct.

Well as we know the government can arrest you for stuff, whether or not you are guilty is a different situation. We don't know what his charges where because technically it isnt porn, however it may be considered a "lude and lascivious" act on someone under the age of "x". so if you had the pictures maybe that isnt a crime. but whoever took them it maybe. who knows what the government thinks when it comes to this stuff. Half the problem with porn cases in general is when you are arrested for posting something "obscene". it questions the definition of what one considers to be "obscene" would you think a 18 year old bent over doggy style is with 3 dildos shoved in her considered obscene or would you jerk off to it. Its all government politics. If the girl where in panties but it possibly showed "camel toe" then the government has just cause, as explained to me by a prominent attorney in this business. if you can even see an outline of pussy lips through panties, then you would need proper 2257 docs. hence why on some byots they do not want to even see a "star" or blur across the genitals. tits are perfectly acceptable.

But to the topic at hand. i don't disagree with your concern on other countries and their possible laziness of the 2257. your best bet is if you do want to post it. seek proper legal council for it and let the lawyer deal with it. I feel asking for the papers is perfectly fine and they should have no problem providing to you if you want to see them. Its called customer satisfaction. if they want you to promote their stuff, they should gladly send all info. granted you may have a lot of info to receive but like you said. HOMIE DONT PLAY THAT.
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11-15-2009, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by stoner529

from what i remember the u.s. dosent consider tits and ass porn. but if you can see the genitals then that is the main issue. if you have a bunch of twinks just showing their ass then it dosent matter. its only when you can see their "special purpose".

Even if you link with text only, and the linking is commercial, then you are definitively not excempt from more serious charges than 2257 violation. Keep that in mind.
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11-15-2009, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by will76

How many programs give out all of the age docs for their models to their affiliates ?

I don't know how many, but if you ask, you may get it. Some models also appear on several sites.
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11-15-2009, 12:06 PM

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11-15-2009, 12:07 PM

it's a good way to get your sites banned from google. google doesn't give a fuck if you have 2257 docs or not.
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11-15-2009, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by stoner529

from what i remember the u.s. dosent consider tits and ass porn. but if you can see the genitals then that is the main issue. if you have a bunch of twinks just showing their ass then it dosent matter. its only when you can see their "special purpose".

That would depend on how they were shot still. If they were sexually charged, sort of focused on such areas, etc. Could be in violation of laws still.

I for one am a little less concerned with a criminal case and not because I am one of those "it is my right to do this shit, so fuck them webmasters" either. I try to stay way off the radar as often as possible. I am pretty sure I could beat such a case, although it would cost a lot.

The real people I would be afraid of is the media. Porn and sex stories get headlines and thus they love to cover them. They will have me labeled a child porn peddler and child predator before the cuffs are even removed from my wrists. They would make sure all my neighbors would want me dead and more than likely force me to either move of have to put up with constant issues forever. My life would be hell because of them. Then to top it off, when I do beat the charges -at best I can expect tiny 3 line story on page 8.

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11-18-2009, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by SleazyDream

bottom line is - you need to KNOW what is on YOUR servers - that's what the judge will ask

How do people with blogs handle this that import rss feeds that have pictures on it. Or embedded videos, there is so many ways that content is technically on your site, how do you deal with 2257 ? Sleazydream has pictures all over it, i guess you don't need to worry about that since you are not in the US.

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