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  • Deej
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    • Jun 2005
    • 24386

    #101
    Hunert WTFS!??!?!

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    • Finike
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      • Mar 2005
      • 1581

      #102
      Originally posted by V_RocKs
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      • andrej_NDC
        Registered User
        • May 2004
        • 7760

        #103
        You should compare with a merchant...the declines aren't everything, there are other factors, too, like how fast the join page loads, how easy/complicated it is, etc. Anyone with a merchant, how much better are your sales compared to 3rd party? 30, 50, 100% better?

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        • CyberHustler
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          • Feb 2006
          • 28775

          #104
          See my sig yo...
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          • MrDeiz
            • May 2008
            • 9802

            #105
            the thing which bothers me is that ccbill avoids direct answers on almost all direct questions which make sense at some point asked on the board
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            • MaxxB
              Confirmed User
              • Oct 2002
              • 227

              #106
              Originally posted by plsureking
              i got busy working on some shit, i come back and somehow this thread is still alive. gfy is definitely lame these days if this thread keeps bumping lol

              anyways i stopped bumping it because i talked to mark/corvette on email.

              they pulled a bunch of numbers and stats that i didnt believe. like 1 brand new site on Porn CMS that had 500 join form hits in September, only 70 submits and no declines. according to ccbill it had a 100% approval rate for those form posts. amazing.

              after i talked to mark, suddenly there were about 5 declines in a few days.

              to combat the craziness i wrote a script that switches to commercegate if there hasn't been a sale in 6 hours. after the switch there is always a sale within an hour or 2. then it flips back to ccbill, waits 6 hours, switches to cg, then another sale.

              its even worse on the weekends. one of my veteran friends told me that ccbill (like all billers) has a limited number of sales they can put thru to their bank in a business day. once the bank limit is hit, all other sales are declined. so he said ccbill reserves a huge chunk of sales for its biggest clients. these days the banks are allowing less transactions, so the smaller fish eat even less.

              ever see a zero sale sunday? very fishy. my 6/hr switch script is the only thing stopping it on that new site.

              protect yourself and your sales. cascading doesnt happen if ccbill doesnt report or redirect the decline. more aggressive measures are required these days to ensure constant sales.

              10 years watching this biz i've never seen times like this. i have a good vantage point monitoring over 100 sites on Porn CMS. i'm just reporting what i'm seeing thru my pessimistic eyes.
              use Epoch, they are the best ))

              but I personally think this is bullshit and processors will never decline any good sales.
              We compared 3 different processors for the same site for a week and we didn't see any big difference in sales. One of the processors is very new and for sure can't reach his limits now.

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              • webmasterchecks
                Confirmed User
                • Oct 2006
                • 1685

                #107
                Originally posted by plsureking
                one of my veteran friends told me that ccbill (like all billers) has a limited number of sales they can put thru to their bank in a business day. once the bank limit is hit, all other sales are declined. so he said ccbill reserves a huge chunk of sales for its biggest clients. these days the banks are allowing less transactions, so the smaller fish eat even less.

                i can tell you 100% that if ccbill had sales that they would have to otherwise decline (not make their 13% on) because they had a "limit on the number of sales they can process per day" they would move heaven and earth to figure out how to get them processed and ccbill probably has more pull than anyone else in this biz to be able to do that.

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                • C-Luv
                  Confirmed User
                  • May 2008
                  • 3025

                  #108
                  Originally posted by plsureking
                  i got busy working on some shit, i come back and somehow this thread is still alive. gfy is definitely lame these days if this thread keeps bumping lol

                  anyways i stopped bumping it because i talked to mark/corvette on email.

                  they pulled a bunch of numbers and stats that i didnt believe. like 1 brand new site on Porn CMS that had 500 join form hits in September, only 70 submits and no declines. according to ccbill it had a 100% approval rate for those form posts. amazing.

                  after i talked to mark, suddenly there were about 5 declines in a few days.

                  to combat the craziness i wrote a script that switches to commercegate if there hasn't been a sale in 6 hours. after the switch there is always a sale within an hour or 2. then it flips back to ccbill, waits 6 hours, switches to cg, then another sale.

                  its even worse on the weekends. one of my veteran friends told me that ccbill (like all billers) has a limited number of sales they can put thru to their bank in a business day. once the bank limit is hit, all other sales are declined. so he said ccbill reserves a huge chunk of sales for its biggest clients. these days the banks are allowing less transactions, so the smaller fish eat even less.

                  ever see a zero sale sunday? very fishy. my 6/hr switch script is the only thing stopping it on that new site.

                  protect yourself and your sales. cascading doesnt happen if ccbill doesnt report or redirect the decline. more aggressive measures are required these days to ensure constant sales.

                  10 years watching this biz i've never seen times like this. i have a good vantage point monitoring over 100 sites on Porn CMS. i'm just reporting what i'm seeing thru my pessimistic eyes.
                  We are all set up with CCbill to accept their declines. Feel free to contact me if you are interested : )

                  BTW: I think CCbill is a great company, I would continue trusting their services!
                  Last edited by C-Luv; 10-26-2009, 09:53 AM.
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                  • David!
                    By the wrath of Agamemnon
                    • Apr 2004
                    • 6501

                    #109
                    The economy is in the shitter, credit card companies are cancelling accounts left and right and cutting credit lines of pretty much all the remainings open accounts.

                    What you need is to use cascade billings and make sure you cover all your bases.
                    Credit cards, debit card, euro card, euro debit, phone and sms, online checks and if you have the manpower, I would even offer mail in checks.

                    Times are tough and you cannot afford to leave any money on the table, and of course if you want to cover yourself with global phone and SMS, then you just need to contact me
                    .

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                    • stever
                      Confirmed User
                      • Jul 2005
                      • 1716

                      #110
                      word mail in check orders for the win!


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                      • BumpUglyz
                        Confirmed User
                        • Oct 2001
                        • 1124

                        #111
                        Haven't made a sale in a few days, I've had slow sales days but this is just depressing
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                        • Basic_man
                          Programming King Pin
                          • Oct 2003
                          • 27360

                          #112
                          Originally posted by dial
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                          • NetHorse
                            Confirmed User
                            • Dec 2006
                            • 3526

                            #113
                            My conversions with ccbill are WAYYYY down. I promote a nats powered program with cascade billing, for the last 2 years it's been roughly 65% epoch / 35% ccbill signups. Nothing has changed and since the beginning of Oct. it's been 100% Epoch sign-ups, (and obviously overall sales are down). Also, programs I promote through the ccbill affiliate programs are down 80% since late Sept.

                            However, that's really not conclusive evidence of anything. It could just be a sign of the times with the recession, banks, credit card companies, etc.

                            Originally posted by San
                            Captain Obvious right there.

                            of course CCbill is the worst fucking biller when it comes to CC declines.
                            You can't fucking speak with that ibill avatar, break your ribs and eat your own dick twink. At least CCbill is an honest company that would never fuck anyone over. I bet they will get this sorted out and continue to be the best billing solution.
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                            • CDSmith
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • May 2001
                              • 51460

                              #114
                              Originally posted by plsureking
                              i got busy working on some shit, i come back and somehow this thread is still alive. gfy is definitely lame these days if this thread keeps bumping lol
                              If gfy is "lame these days" it's because of people like you who put up lame thread titles like this one.

                              Tell me "ccbill fucks an industry" wasn't a lame attempt at drama. Yet you're now seriously here wondering why the thread stirred up a reaction and got bumped? Dude, please.
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                              • Gerco
                                Confirmed User
                                • Nov 2005
                                • 2052

                                #115
                                Hmm... I just ran a report for the year, and total count for declines was 12.57% on ccbill. That is both declined new signups and declined re-bills together. Seems like a low enough number. But, you got my curiosity up so I went on...

                                The exact period last year (2008) was 11.78%
                                2007 10.91%
                                2006 11.06%
                                2005 11.04%
                                2004 12.20%
                                2003 10.22%
                                2002 3.13% (The year I started with ccbill) had Ibill as my main at the time...

                                Then I combined all those years together... for an average decline rate of 10.68%

                                Now, while having the $121,891.70 Of added income lost from the declines would have been great The numbers do look pretty constant. All this is on my ONE site. giving me an pretty good view of history over the last 8 years billing with Ccbill.

                                I've been burned by Ibill, Paymode Myvirtualcard. Lets say for the sake of argument that at the time they where around their decline rate WAS lower... Add on what they took from me in the end and what do you think lost income % really was?

                                I'll stick with Ccbill.
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                                • Toni
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Oct 2001
                                  • 2697

                                  #116
                                  Originally posted by plsureking
                                  one of my veteran friends told me that ccbill (like all billers) has a limited number of sales they can put thru to their bank in a business day. once the bank limit is hit, all other sales are declined. so he said ccbill reserves a huge chunk of sales for its biggest clients. these days the banks are allowing less transactions, so the smaller fish eat even less.
                                  I had a similar feeling for a while now for some other processors but I can't say anything about CCBill, beside that I heared such "rumors" a couple times already


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                                  • After Shock Media
                                    It's coming look busy
                                    • Mar 2001
                                    • 35299

                                    #117
                                    I keep seeing this thread bumped to the front. I remember reading and perhaps posting some on the 1st page.

                                    Knowing that CCbill has nothing to hide and would let this continue on for awhile without asking for it to be deleted.

                                    Does this thread contain much of anything worth reading from the 1st through the 2nd pages? Or is my time better spent ignoring it? I mean I do already see some stupid posts on page 3.

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                                    • SleazyDream
                                      I'm here for SPORT
                                      • Jul 2001
                                      • 41470

                                      #118
                                      me thinks the guy who poeted this thread got OWNED big time
                                      This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                      Now read without the word dog.

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                                      • Iron Fist
                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                        • Dec 2006
                                        • 23400

                                        #119
                                        I know i'm bumping it.. but this thread is mostly retarded.
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                                        • AlphaSky
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Aug 2008
                                          • 1013

                                          #120
                                          Originally posted by plsureking
                                          i got busy working on some shit, i come back and somehow this thread is still alive. gfy is definitely lame these days if this thread keeps bumping lol

                                          anyways i stopped bumping it because i talked to mark/corvette on email.

                                          they pulled a bunch of numbers and stats that i didnt believe. like 1 brand new site on Porn CMS that had 500 join form hits in September, only 70 submits and no declines. according to ccbill it had a 100% approval rate for those form posts. amazing.

                                          after i talked to mark, suddenly there were about 5 declines in a few days.

                                          to combat the craziness i wrote a script that switches to commercegate if there hasn't been a sale in 6 hours. after the switch there is always a sale within an hour or 2. then it flips back to ccbill, waits 6 hours, switches to cg, then another sale.

                                          its even worse on the weekends. one of my veteran friends told me that ccbill (like all billers) has a limited number of sales they can put thru to their bank in a business day. once the bank limit is hit, all other sales are declined. so he said ccbill reserves a huge chunk of sales for its biggest clients. these days the banks are allowing less transactions, so the smaller fish eat even less.

                                          ever see a zero sale sunday? very fishy. my 6/hr switch script is the only thing stopping it on that new site.

                                          protect yourself and your sales. cascading doesnt happen if ccbill doesnt report or redirect the decline. more aggressive measures are required these days to ensure constant sales.

                                          10 years watching this biz i've never seen times like this. i have a good vantage point monitoring over 100 sites on Porn CMS. i'm just reporting what i'm seeing thru my pessimistic eyes.
                                          "(like all billers) has a limited number of sales they can put thru to their bank in a business day. "

                                          This scares me. Anybody have info on that statement? I'm gonna Google for banking info.

                                          It would be nice to hear from a real banker on the inner workings.
                                          Last edited by AlphaSky; 11-12-2009, 03:17 AM.

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                                          • MrDeiz
                                            • May 2008
                                            • 9802

                                            #121
                                            thx for the data, Gerco

                                            Originally posted by Gerco
                                            Hmm... I just ran a report for the year, and total count for declines was 12.57% on ccbill. That is both declined new signups and declined re-bills together. Seems like a low enough number. But, you got my curiosity up so I went on...

                                            The exact period last year (2008) was 11.78%
                                            2007 10.91%
                                            2006 11.06%
                                            2005 11.04%
                                            2004 12.20%
                                            2003 10.22%
                                            2002 3.13% (The year I started with ccbill) had Ibill as my main at the time...

                                            Then I combined all those years together... for an average decline rate of 10.68%

                                            Now, while having the $121,891.70 Of added income lost from the declines would have been great The numbers do look pretty constant. All this is on my ONE site. giving me an pretty good view of history over the last 8 years billing with Ccbill.

                                            I've been burned by Ibill, Paymode Myvirtualcard. Lets say for the sake of argument that at the time they where around their decline rate WAS lower... Add on what they took from me in the end and what do you think lost income % really was?

                                            I'll stick with Ccbill.
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                                            • BAKO
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                                              • Jul 2005
                                              • 18481

                                              #122
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                                              • SleazyDream
                                                I'm here for SPORT
                                                • Jul 2001
                                                • 41470

                                                #123
                                                if ccbill's fucking people I'm bending over
                                                This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                Now read without the word dog.

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                                                • AlphaSky
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Aug 2008
                                                  • 1013

                                                  #124
                                                  Originally posted by plsureking
                                                  ...... cascading doesnt happen if ccbill doesnt report or redirect the decline. more aggressive measures are required these days to ensure constant sales.
                                                  This scares me too.

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                                                  • pornguy
                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                    • Mar 2003
                                                    • 62910

                                                    #125
                                                    I dont think that CCBill makes a whole lot when they have to decline a transaction. So think about it that way. Think Ron wants to lose his company either way?? I dont, I think they and most of the processors are doing the right thing.
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                                                    • czarina
                                                      Webmaster Extraordinaire
                                                      • Jul 2002
                                                      • 10751

                                                      #126
                                                      I did a test signup with my own credit card which has NEVER had a chargeback, is from the US, the mailing address was correct and everything was perfect, and I got denied.
                                                      Go figure!

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                                                      • czarina
                                                        Webmaster Extraordinaire
                                                        • Jul 2002
                                                        • 10751

                                                        #127
                                                        what's the option, Epoch?

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                                                        • AlphaSky
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Aug 2008
                                                          • 1013

                                                          #128
                                                          interesting, no more comments, questions or answers.

                                                          I'm pretty shaken up with the accusations made and was hoping to hear more about it.

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                                                          • After Shock Media
                                                            It's coming look busy
                                                            • Mar 2001
                                                            • 35299

                                                            #129
                                                            Originally posted by AlphaSky
                                                            "(like all billers) has a limited number of sales they can put thru to their bank in a business day. "
                                                            This scares me. Anybody have info on that statement? I'm gonna Google for banking info.
                                                            It would be nice to hear from a real banker on the inner workings.
                                                            That would mean all merchant accounts have a limited number of transactions they could do per day through Visa and MasterCard. Not just CCbill. I have had a personal merchant account a few times myself and even had one for both Discover Card and American Express - oh and Diners card too. I read every page of the manual each time that I got such a merchant account.
                                                            The only restrictions I ever saw were for something called a rolling reserve. I suppose if your reserve was not high enough you could not go past a set amount (not sure 100%). Issue is, that would be next to impossible because reserves are a percentage of your total sales and if that were the case then any smart person would just increase their reserves to keep making money.

                                                            Example - Imagine total number of transactions and a store like the 99 cent store or lets get more extreme. Imagine the havoc of a hot dog or beer stand at a major ballpark being limited to a set number of transactions. Pretty damn sure they do more transactions per hour than many billers may do in a day.

                                                            Originally posted by czarina
                                                            I did a test signup with my own credit card which has NEVER had a chargeback, is from the US, the mailing address was correct and everything was perfect, and I got denied.
                                                            Go figure!
                                                            Question since you say it is from the US. Are you located in the US right now or are you in Mexico?

                                                            Originally posted by AlphaSky
                                                            interesting, no more comments, questions or answers.
                                                            I'm pretty shaken up with the accusations made and was hoping to hear more about it.
                                                            I responded.
                                                            I am more curious why nobody responded to me

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                                                            • KrissyElise
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Apr 2009
                                                              • 635

                                                              #130
                                                              Originally posted by BVF
                                                              And on top of that, the name on the card was female...

                                                              WHAT IN THE FUCK is up with that shit???
                                                              Epic fail explained.....

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                                                              • harvey
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Jul 2001
                                                                • 9266

                                                                #131
                                                                I don't know how it's now, but at least up to 2 years ago, the "ultrascrubbing" came from Paycom (they simply banned entire countries) with CCBill quite better than Paycom. However, as much hate as it gets (I'm kinda out fo the loop with that, so no idea why), the best biller in terms of approval/renewals was Verotel. Again, no idea how it is now, but the previous testing I ran for 3-4 years shown me that. Maybe that changed.

                                                                On a side note, to plsrking: do you spy on your CMS client's? if not, how do you monitor it?

                                                                and btw, the thread title is way out of line
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