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Obama To Lift Ban On HIV/Aids Travellers To The USA !

11-01-2009, 10:04 PM

I didnt even know peeps with HIV/Aids couldnt enter the USA, you learn something new every day......... anyway its a good step forward I think,

President Barack Obama said Friday the U.S. will overturn a 22-year-old travel and immigration ban against people with HIV early next year.

The law effectively has kept out thousands of students, tourists and refugees and has complicated the adoption of children with HIV. No major international AIDS conference has been held in the U.S. since 1993, because HIV-positive activists and researchers cannot enter the country.

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11-01-2009, 10:05 PM

had no idea either.
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11-01-2009, 10:31 PM

that is a fucked up ban to have in the first place
nice to see some change ;)
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11-01-2009, 10:33 PM

Wow I had no idea that such a ban was in place.
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11-01-2009, 10:58 PM

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11-01-2009, 11:47 PM

Now watch it run rampant throughout the US because of that decision...more than it already is at least.

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11-02-2009, 01:37 AM

That's a good thing?
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11-02-2009, 01:50 AM

Originally posted by baddog

That's a good thing?

Yes lifting the ban is a good thing I think dont you ?

According to stats (very inaccurate stats I must add )

USA -0.7 percent of the population has the virus (Ban)

Western Europe 0.3 percent of the population has the virus ( No Ban)

Obama said that by lifting the ban, the U.S. will take a step toward ending the stigma against people with HIV/AIDS, something he said has stopped people from getting tested and has helped spread the disease. More than 1 million people live with HIV/AIDS in the U.S., and more than 56,000 new infections are reported every year

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11-02-2009, 02:06 AM

Originally posted by CyberClaire

Yes lifting the ban is a good thing I think dont you ?

According to stats (very inaccurate stats I must add )

USA -0.7 percent of the population has the virus (Ban)

Western Europe 0.3 percent of the population has the virus ( No Ban)

Obama said that by lifting the ban, the U.S. will take a step toward ending the stigma against people with HIV/AIDS, something he said has stopped people from getting tested and has helped spread the disease. More than 1 million people live with HIV/AIDS in the U.S., and more than 56,000 new infections are reported every year

Just my 2 cents.

Your 2 cents? The only opinion you gave was that the stats were inaccurate. Did not say how you knew this or why you didn't post the accurate ones instead, but it is what it is.

The rest you cut and pasted directly from the article. So, unless you wrote the article, tell me why it is a good thing. Not what Obama's opinion is.
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11-02-2009, 02:12 AM

Apparently our president feels it's more important to be politically correct than to protect US citizens from a deadly disease.

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11-02-2009, 02:20 AM

Originally posted by escorpio

Apparently our president feels it's more important to be politically correct than to protect US citizens from a deadly disease.

I find it laughable that he thinks this will cause people in other countries to start getting tested. I am trying to figure out that logic.
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11-02-2009, 02:20 AM

Originally posted by baddog

Your 2 cents? The only opinion you gave was that the stats were inaccurate. Did not say how you knew this or why you didn't post the accurate ones instead, but it is what it is.

The rest you cut and pasted directly from the article. So, unless you wrote the article, tell me why it is a good thing. Not what Obama's opinion is.

I said the stats were inaccurate because until everyone is tested they cant be accurate....(thats my personal view as to why they are inaccurate) even though my source for them was wiki and they are official stats.

Why do I think personally its a good thing.

1. I see no reason to ban people with the virus entering the USA as I see no reason to ban people from the USA visiting other countries if they have it....what benefit does a ban produce ?????

2.As the USA is one or if not the worlds biggest global players in medicine dont you think it helps all mankind for it to be able to have conferences and participate more in the subject.

I only see the upside of lifting it i cant see any negative aspects ....??

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11-02-2009, 02:22 AM

Originally posted by escorpio

Apparently our president feels it's more important to be politically correct than to protect US citizens from a deadly disease.

lol it's not like it's airborne. It's more statistical than political... I bet giving out free and clean needles to drug addicts would save thousands times more lives than that ban.

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11-02-2009, 02:23 AM

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that is a fucked up ban to have in the first place
nice to see some change ;)

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11-02-2009, 02:46 AM

here's a thought. an American travels in another country - Just for FUN lets say it's BadDog.

a big biting fly bites an aids person and gets infected blood all over itself and then bites BadDog and Baddog Gets Aids. He comes back to the states and cause he looks like a biker they pull him aside and take a blood test just for the hell of it cause the U.S. is kinda homeland security crazy at times - Baddog shows positive for HIV. Even though AMERICAN - they will not and cannot according to the law allow him BACK into his home country - the land of the free.

or worse - he gets it abroad - and innocently tells his doctor he contracted it abroad - the doctor might be obligated to inform the authorities this and they the authorities may go and remove BadDog from the USA for bringing this disease into America as he didn't contract it in America.

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11-02-2009, 03:31 AM

I'm with those that never knew there was a ban. I guess I have to wonder how they know you have it and ban you. Aren't medical records confidential? I'm assuming if someone from Canada gets HIV the doctors don't contact the state department and have that person's passport stamped that they have HIV. Or do they?
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11-02-2009, 03:35 AM

22 years and I'd never even heard of this. As someone who does not have aids and does not want to see tourists/ect come here, bang the women and spread their disease i'd have to say its not that great. and yeah, like others have mentioned to people with aids have a big "aids" sticker on the passport?? or is there a worldwide database of people with aids? sounds strange.

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11-02-2009, 06:17 AM

Sure let people with typhoid in also.

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11-02-2009, 06:41 AM

Originally posted by BlackCrayon

22 years and I'd never even heard of this. As someone who does not have aids and does not want to see tourists/ect come here, bang the women and spread their disease i'd have to say its not that great. and yeah, like others have mentioned to people with aids have a big "aids" sticker on the passport?? or is there a worldwide database of people with aids? sounds strange.

It'll be for immigration, not for tourists. It's standard procedure to have a full physical before residency is granted.

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11-02-2009, 07:17 AM

Originally posted by CyberClaire

I said the stats were inaccurate because until everyone is tested they cant be accurate....(thats my personal view as to why they are inaccurate) even though my source for them was wiki and they are official stats.

Why do I think personally its a good thing.

1. I see no reason to ban people with the virus entering the USA as I see no reason to ban people from the USA visiting other countries if they have it....what benefit does a ban produce ?????

2.As the USA is one or if not the worlds biggest global players in medicine dont you think it helps all mankind for it to be able to have conferences and participate more in the subject.

I only see the upside of lifting it i cant see any negative aspects ....??

I love it when residents of other countries chime in on what is best for us. You don't see a reason so it must be right. Besides, by the time Obama is done with us we will not longer be the biggest global player in medicine.

Socialized medicine does not breed advances.

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here's a thought. an American travels in another country - Just for FUN lets say it's BadDog.

a big biting fly bites an aids person and gets infected blood all over itself and then bites BadDog and Baddog Gets Aids. He comes back to the states and cause he looks like a biker they pull him aside and take a blood test just for the hell of it cause the U.S. is kinda homeland security crazy at times - Baddog shows positive for HIV. Even though AMERICAN - they will not and cannot according to the law allow him BACK into his home country - the land of the free.

or worse - he gets it abroad - and innocently tells his doctor he contracted it abroad - the doctor might be obligated to inform the authorities this and they the authorities may go and remove BadDog from the USA for bringing this disease into America as he didn't contract it in America.

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11-02-2009, 07:21 AM

finally! the US has a huge HIV-infected population yet they keep people with the illness out of the States, how stupid. It's not like there's no AIDS in the US already.
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11-02-2009, 10:24 AM

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11-02-2009, 10:31 AM

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It'll be for immigration, not for tourists. It's standard procedure to have a full physical before residency is granted.

there are other diseases you cannot have to immigrate to the us...
i remember having lung xrays done and a few other tests..

but if it is only for immigrants it makes not sense to say no major hiv convention has been held in the US.. those peeps should be able to visit on a tourist visa.. and i have never seen that question on a tourist visa application.

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11-02-2009, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by baddog

I find it laughable that he thinks this will cause people in other countries to start getting tested. I am trying to figure out that logic.

he probably is referring to his trip to Africa to get HIV tested with his wife in front of a bunch of villagers to show them 'it's ok'. If the US started to show that it was being progressive in regards to acceptance of people with HIV and actually having the conferences that will help foster treatment and cures, it probably would have an impact of other countries that have massive HIV numbers that will help the spread of the virus over the world.
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11-02-2009, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by baddog

Socialized medicine does not breed advances.

Nice try.

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11-02-2009, 11:05 AM

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there are other diseases you cannot have to immigrate to the us...
i remember having lung xrays done and a few other tests..

but if it is only for immigrants it makes not sense to say no major hiv convention has been held in the US.. those peeps should be able to visit on a tourist visa.. and i have never seen that question on a tourist visa application.

Most countries such as Canada -Australia etc require immigrants to undergo a medical ,lung xrays etc.

This topic was highlighting the fact tourists and students cannot or should not enter the USA if they have Hiv/Aids as they are banned from entry....something that I didnt know and it seems many others didnt either.

Regarding the visa appllication ...inc the green visa waiver card ..it asks you about your medical history on it.......im sure some have put they have the virus without knowing they would be refused in.

I dont have any strong views on Hiv/Aids ,what I found of interest was the banning of people due to having the virus and the fact no major conference could be held in what is the most powerful nation on earth to help solve a major global problem.

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11-02-2009, 11:07 AM

Obama lifted the HIV/AIDS ban. Not bad for almost a year in office!

Hey, at least he finally did something. You should all be happy!
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11-02-2009, 11:10 AM

Who was our president 22 years ago? (1987) Wasn't that my man Ronald Regan? Well, I can see how they could have had such a ban back then as it had just come out in the early 80s, but I do believe it's a good thing that such ban has now been lifted.
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11-02-2009, 11:16 AM

I see a Nobel in medicine coming up ....... lol

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11-02-2009, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by L-Pink

I see a Nobel in medicine coming up ....... lol

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11-02-2009, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by baddog

I find it laughable that he thinks this will cause people in other countries to start getting tested. I am trying to figure out that logic.

Well, if you're not tested then there's no mark on your name that you have HIV/AIDS and therefore could travel into the US easily? I don't actually imagine anyone or many people would have this thinking though..

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11-02-2009, 11:40 AM

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Well, if you're not tested then there's no mark on your name that you have HIV/AIDS and therefore could travel into the US easily? I don't actually imagine anyone or many people would have this thinking though..

It's for immigrants, not tourists. All immigrants to most 1st world countries need to take full medicals for TB, etc.

The US also chose to deny entry a few years ago to a speaker who was 'publically HIV+' for a conference. Dicks.

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11-02-2009, 01:14 PM

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11-02-2009, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by Rique

Who was our president 22 years ago? (1987) Wasn't that my man Ronald Regan? Well, I can see how they could have had such a ban back then as it had just come out in the early 80s, but I do believe it's a good thing that such ban has now been lifted.

The ban might have been around for 22 years not just for fear of transmission but also fear that the sick will come to the US for treatment in US general hospitals. This would be a burden on US tax dollars.

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11-02-2009, 01:42 PM

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11-02-2009, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by SleazyDream

here's a thought. an American travels in another country - Just for FUN lets say it's BadDog.

a big biting fly bites an aids person and gets infected blood all over itself and then bites BadDog and Baddog Gets Aids. He comes back to the states and cause he looks like a biker they pull him aside and take a blood test just for the hell of it cause the U.S. is kinda homeland security crazy at times - Baddog shows positive for HIV. Even though AMERICAN - they will not and cannot according to the law allow him BACK into his home country - the land of the free.

or worse - he gets it abroad - and innocently tells his doctor he contracted it abroad - the doctor might be obligated to inform the authorities this and they the authorities may go and remove BadDog from the USA for bringing this disease into America as he didn't contract it in America.

i dont think thats the case. i think this law was setup to target lower class, poor and infected people in 3rd world countries from trying to come to America for protection and leech off our welfare and poverty system.

think about it... if your poor and have HIV/AIDS your life is going downhill, but you may have kids or family to provide to. If your sick and living in other countries, their health care is probably shitty to begin with, so your chance of getting any medical attention are low.

instead, you find your way over to our border and walk into a hospital if you are really sick. by that time, youve already racked up probably a few hundred bucks just by having the doors open that you have zero intentions of paying for, so why not stick it to the "wealthy Americans" and let them pay for your sickness

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11-02-2009, 02:47 PM

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11-02-2009, 02:57 PM

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11-02-2009, 03:18 PM

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Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.

Why? One good reason is all I ask.

Do you have one good reason why they shouldn't?

I can make up lots of good reasons.. Like more people into the country that will spend money, more groups of people will visit/vacation at once.

Or the social aspect that we are tolerant of other peoples ill's and shouldn't segregate non-dangerous people from the the general population.

It costs gov and companies, time, money and resources to track and monitor such people that are of no danger.

People that have families can finally come here to see them, rather than our money having to leave the country to go see them.

Or maybe because they have money and wish to spend it on better medical care.

I could probably list a 100 reasons why....

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11-02-2009, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by Sagi_AFF

The ban might have been around for 22 years not just for fear of transmission but also fear that the sick will come to the US for treatment in US general hospitals. This would be a burden on US tax dollars.

i think part of the ban was that it was proven that it spread across the usa by a french airline steward.

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11-02-2009, 06:45 PM

I gotta say, I'm with Baddog on this, I don't see what benefit it has by letting people with Aids enter our country.

Sagi hit it right on the head with what I was gonna say, about them coming to the US for treatment for the taxpayers to cover the bill.
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11-02-2009, 07:01 PM

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11-02-2009, 07:03 PM

Why don't our sick people go to other countries and get free medical assistance?

So people with aids, healthy enough to get here, can afford all that... clearly they don't live in a 1st world and most 2nd world nations, if they did most have free healthcare and have equal to or better care than us - and far cheaper. So I guess a, 3rd world person, rich enough to fly here.. leaves a family, everything they know, to come get free medical care or maybe die. And they picked up all this free information from the local tribal internet connection of course.

Sounds logical.

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11-02-2009, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by TheDoc

Do you have one good reason why they shouldn't?

I can make up lots of good reasons.. Like more people into the country that will spend money, more groups of people will visit/vacation at once.

Or the social aspect that we are tolerant of other peoples ill's and shouldn't segregate non-dangerous people from the the general population.

It costs gov and companies, time, money and resources to track and monitor such people that are of no danger.

People that have families can finally come here to see them, rather than our money having to leave the country to go see them.

Or maybe because they have money and wish to spend it on better medical care.

I could probably list a 100 reasons why....

So it is your contention that there is a huge contingency of AIDS infected tourists out there just waiting to get in?

If you are right, then even more reason that lifting the ban is inane.
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11-02-2009, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by baddog

So it is your contention that there is a huge contingency of AIDS infected tourists out there just waiting to get in?

If you are right, then even more reason that lifting the ban is inane.

If I really thought the ban kept people with aids out, then sure..

But based on the thinking of this thread, we should kick everyone out that has aids.... at least burn down most prisons or maybe we should stop people with cancer coming in, or any sickness period, even a common cold.

Someone could infect others, make them sick, pass it the grandma, which started with nothing more than a cold, killing her in the end.

Or maybe they use our medical system for free, or 911 services... by the sounds of the thread, this would likely cripple our country.

Lets just put a big bubble around America, make our own air, breath our own farts, then pump out our co2 just to screw the rest of the world.

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11-02-2009, 07:50 PM

My grandparents immigrated from Austria ... Many times my grandmother told the story of how worried they were when passing thru Ellis Island. Worried because they feared my grandfather might cough, he had the flu, and be denied immigration for respiratory problems.

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11-02-2009, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by Sagi_AFF

The ban might have been around for 22 years not just for fear of transmission but also fear that the sick will come to the US for treatment in US general hospitals. This would be a burden on US tax dollars.

I agree, and I don't think it is a good thing. I am sure people want to come and visit family in the USA...but it does bring more risk to our country. We need to think about ourselves for a change...not what looks good to the rest of the world. Travelers brought the swine flu...who know what else is coming.

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11-02-2009, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by baddog

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