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  • quiet
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    • Sep 2001
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    #1

    Asian Internet Market

    interesting...
    Take Korea for instance.  Wired to the hilt.  High speed access in every corner of the market hitting 30+ million adults.  Internet cafes everywhere.  Over 1 million people belong to an online gaming site which is paid on a monthly basis.  Porn sites are beginning to spring up.  Now if America had the same join ratio for gaming sites, guess what?  It'd be more profitable than any site on the net.  Period.  Remember, only about 15% of Americans are wired for high speed.  In Korea, it's nearly the entire population.  I would guess so for Japan.   Here's another little secret ...

    I'm beginning to hear numbers that are simply insane.  www.99bb.com hitting well over 40,000 Asian subscribers, with over 80% retentions.  www.HGMO.com  tagging 12,000+ members at nearly $70 a month with insane retentions.  Traffic that converts at a blistering ratio.

    Question is, how do you target this audience?  How do you make money off of Asians when the American market is getting more and more saturated by the minute.  Asians in general want to see Asians.  No fake tits.  They want cute.  There could be a black or a white in there but if it doesn't include Asians, they're not interested.  They simply don't give a fuck.  It's simply a part of the culture.  You go to Hawaii and it's the white boys crying about discrimination.  Multiply this a thousand fold and you have Japan, Korea, and China, the three potentially most lucrative Internet markets out there.  And these countries, particularly Korea and Japan, are fucking liquid and have money to burn.  

    The days of the American Internet newbie is practically over.  The next wave will be hitting the Asian markets and you can take that to the bank.
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  • Brown Bear
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    • May 2002
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    #2
    The biggest problem I see is that they don't have as many credit cards as US/Can and Europe.
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    • eru
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      • Mar 2002
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      #3
      I'm way ahead of you quiet.

      Japan and Korea are gold mines. Start tapping them now.

      The gold rush has already begun.
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      • L0stMind
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        • Sep 2002
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        #4
        The thing with the asian market is that the surfers are not newbies in the same sense we have here. We were brought up on dial up and shit connections and scam artists.

        Japanese online community is for the most part extremely honest, customer service is a national pasttime and it carries into the online world and their surfers were brought up on 8mbps DSL and an inclination to use new technologies.

        And the HGMO figures are wrong :P

        16,000 members at a minimum now. Retention that would give most webmasters a hard on - like 75%...

        How to hit the asian markets tho, I am not sure - hire japanese university students to help translate your sites? I dunno. I DO know that most Japanese can read a decent amount of english actually. They just can't speak it

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        • eru
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          • Mar 2002
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          #5
          Originally posted by Brown Bear
          The biggest problem I see is that they don't have as many credit cards as US/Can and Europe.
          Credit cards aren't big in Japan. However, that pay with your cell phone shit is really popular.
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          • L0stMind
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            • Sep 2002
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            #6
            Originally posted by Brown Bear
            The biggest problem I see is that they don't have as many credit cards as US/Can and Europe.
            I can't vouch for korea, but for japan they all have credit cards. They are strange however and do tend to carry a helluva lot of cash.

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            • Brown Bear
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              • May 2002
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              #7
              I've got all these referrers in my logs that give URLs to sites that I can't even understand.

              The other day some asian site sent 10,000 surfers from some site that I think is Korean, but I'm not sure because I can't read it, and when I go there I can't find any links to my sites.
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              • L0stMind
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                • Sep 2002
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                #8
                I knwo a guy who runs an imode dating bbs... he charges guys a buck a post and pays a couple of girls to post replies... and he makes HUGE bank...

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                • eru
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                  • Mar 2002
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                  #9
                  Yes, having the site in Japanese is a plus however it's not totally necessary.

                  If you make it easy enough to find the join page and have that in Japanese, you may be O.K.

                  And as Lostmind said, the HGMO figures are way off! HGMO's true figures make some of the most established paysites here seem tiny by comparison.

                  It probably would not be too hard to find a translator. Just go to your local Yaohan/Mitsuwa/Japanese/Korean/Chinese, etc. grocery store and put up a help wanted sign asking for translator.
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                  • quiet
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                    • Sep 2001
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by L0stMind
                    And the HGMO figures are wrong :P

                    16,000 members at a minimum now. Retention that would give most webmasters a hard on - like 75%...
                    are you involved with the site (if you feel like divulging ;))?
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                    • Brown Bear
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                      • May 2002
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                      #11
                      Where does a site like hgmo.com get its traffic? I've never even seen that site before.
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                      • L0stMind
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                        • Sep 2002
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by quiet


                        are you involved with the site (if you feel like divulging ;))?
                        Off and on, yes. Lets just say they are clients and I help them out sometimes as I have worked with them for years.

                        hgmo gets traffic mostly from advertisers.... jp-sex.com search-x.com and a shitload more I cant think of off the top of my head.
                        Last edited by L0stMind; 11-14-2002, 12:13 AM.

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                        • .:Frog:.
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                          #13
                          I think another key to success is real East asian models. Not "chyna" or these butt ugly south asians.

                          Look at the HGMO tour, and compare it with the asian sites the popular English sponsors put out. Miles apart.

                          Once I get my 2 TGPS in order I'm going back to the asian niche which is where my passion is, and always has been.
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                          • L0stMind
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                            #14
                            hate the edit and quote are so close!

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                            • quiet
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by L0stMind


                              Off and on, yes.

                              hgmo gets traffic mostly from advertisers.... jp-sex.com search-x.com and a shitload more I cant think of off the top of my head.
                              cool. it must be rather difficult to produce this type of content.
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                              • L0stMind
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by quiet


                                cool. it must be rather difficult to produce this type of content.
                                Yah, very. They do have a rather large staff actually and I know they produce some content internally. To be honest, I don't know where most of the content comes from and I don't want to know

                                I provide more technical help to them then anything else.

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                                • Brown Bear
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                                  • May 2002
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                                  #17
                                  Read:

                                  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2408923.stm


                                  South Korea has boosted its credentials as the world's most internet-friendly country by revealing plans to hook up every household to a high-speed net connection.
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                                  • eru
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                                    • Mar 2002
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by quiet


                                    cool. it must be rather difficult to produce this type of content.
                                    Not if you produce it in Japan.
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                                    • quiet
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                                      • Sep 2001
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                                      #19
                                      if i was to expand or continue any further in adult internet - i think this could be a very interesting direction to explore.
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                                      • eroswebmaster
                                        March 1st, 2003
                                        • Jul 2001
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                                        #20
                                        HGMO must be hosted on cologroup...I've tried twice and keep getting 404.
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                                        • Brown Bear
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by quiet
                                          if i was to expand or continue any further in adult internet - i think this could be a very interesting direction to explore.
                                          True. China and India are where the biggest growth will come from in the next few years. They don't have much money, but even if only 10% of the population was capable of signing up with a credit card, that would be lots of people.

                                          China + India = 2.3 Billion people

                                          10% of 2.3 Billion = 230 Million people
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                                          • pentae
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                                            • Jul 2002
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                                            #22
                                            Good topic. Particularly in reference to those crazy gamers. I used to play Ultima Online, and in early 2000 it was SWAMPED with Koreans.. they had to open up 4 or 5 new servers.

                                            These people are die hard users.

                                            Maybe we should get more asian girls on naughty and live, because all these guys have broadband. ;)

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                                            • L0stMind
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                                              • Sep 2002
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by eroswebmaster
                                              HGMO must be hosted on cologroup...I've tried twice and keep getting 404.
                                              nope, hosted on Verio in LA... HGMO2.com (the mirror site) is hosted with me... not hgmo.com....

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                                              • pentae
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                                                #24
                                                Also, most of these surfers use JCB card.. which I *think* PSW support.

                                                What does JCB Stand for? Japanese Card Bukake?

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                                                • eroswebmaster
                                                  March 1st, 2003
                                                  • Jul 2001
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by L0stMind


                                                  nope, hosted on Verio in LA... HGMO2.com (the mirror site) is hosted with me... not hgmo.com....
                                                  It was a joke.
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                                                  • frankfortuna
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                                                    #26
                                                    I've done a bit of search engine research with respect to the Asian markets. It appears to me that the usual suspects have the market covered, particularly Google in Japan.

                                                    I'm of the opinion that the SE market with respect to Asian adult keywords is far from saturated and definitely worth pursuing.
                                                    Last edited by frankfortuna; 11-14-2002, 12:31 AM.

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                                                    • L0stMind
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                                                      #27
                                                      JCB is REALLY popular in Japan.

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                                                      • L0stMind
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by eroswebmaster


                                                        It was a joke.
                                                        Sure, but I just wanted to clarify so no one thinks I am too blame for the over saturated poor hosting they get down south

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                                                        • Brown Bear
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by L0stMind


                                                          nope, hosted on Verio in LA... HGMO2.com (the mirror site) is hosted with me... not hgmo.com....
                                                          Do you own ezprovider.net? That site is mega fast, what kinda connection is it on? Verio?
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                                                          • &lt;IMX&gt;
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                                                            #30
                                                            NO shit.

                                                            Everyone in this industry overlooks the surfer looking for geniune ethnic content, and is after more than the generic "teen" models...from content producers to site owners.

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                                                            • L0stMind
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Brown Bear


                                                              Do you own ezprovider.net? That site is mega fast, what kinda connection is it on? Verio?
                                                              Can I plead the fifth?

                                                              Okay, the night for confessions - yes, I own EZP. We run on global crossing mostly, some UUnet and Aleron thrown in the mix.

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                                                              • Brown Bear
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by <IMX>
                                                                NO shit.

                                                                Everyone in this industry overlooks the surfer looking for geniune ethnic content, and is after more than the generic "teen" models...from content producers to site owners.

                                                                oh well, your loss...
                                                                I think Quiet might disagree that site owners are at a loss with "teen" models.
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                                                                • Brown Bear
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by L0stMind


                                                                  Can I plead the fifth?

                                                                  Okay, the night for confessions - yes, I own EZP. We run on global crossing mostly, some UUnet and Aleron thrown in the mix.
                                                                  where is your hosting location? california?
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                                                                  • cherrylula
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                                                                    • Jan 2002
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    oh my goodness is nobody here from LA and ever hung out in Little Tokyo? J-Town? Hmmm. Makes me want to make some phone calls. Damn.

                                                                    honestly any so cal asians here?
                                                                    Last edited by cherrylula; 11-14-2002, 12:44 AM.

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                                                                    • L0stMind
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Brown Bear


                                                                      where is your hosting location? california?
                                                                      Vancouver, BC Canada...

                                                                      Most of our traffic flows through Seattle.

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                                                                      • mech
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        I think the key to why 99bb, HGMO, and many DreamCash ( ) sites convert and retain so well is because from what I've seen Japan and Korea aren?t saturated with free porn. Almost every site jp-sex trades with are pay sites. Plus not to mention that by law their porn must be optically censored and those pay sites offer censor free content.

                                                                        The only downside is all those Korean and Japanese broadband users use Internet Ninja like crazy! It?s a bitch dealing with so many leaching fucks.
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                                                                        • m0rph3us
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by L0stMind


                                                                          Can I plead the fifth?

                                                                          Okay, the night for confessions - yes, I own EZP. We run on global crossing mostly, some UUnet and Aleron thrown in the mix.

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                                                                          • Brown Bear
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by L0stMind


                                                                            Vancouver, BC Canada...

                                                                            Most of our traffic flows through Seattle.
                                                                            So if someone gets a server with you, is it in Vancouver or Seattle?
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                                                                            • cherrylula
                                                                              lol
                                                                              • Jan 2002
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              no doubt the majority of this continent is completely retarded and the japanese are ready to shell out $$$ for american teen hardcore. How can you go wrong?

                                                                              You're talking about a culture that sells little girls underwear in the 24/7 convenient stores, for a token's worth. Rape crimes are low, and suicide is high.

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                                                                              • L0stMind
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by mech
                                                                                I think the key to why 99bb, HGMO, and many DreamCash ( ) sites convert and retain so well is because from what I've seen Japan and Korea aren?t saturated with free porn. Almost every site jp-sex trades with are pay sites. Plus not to mention that by law their porn must be optically censored and those pay sites offer censor free content.

                                                                                The only downside is all those Korean and Japanese broadband users use Internet Ninja like crazy! It?s a bitch dealing with so many leaching fucks.
                                                                                Hey man

                                                                                Yah, I am gonna go with mech here. No japanese TGP's really. No japanese hun (maybe Jp-sex?)... all japanese webmaster wants to make $$.. plus it is harder to get japanese content and especially hard to get uncensored stuff....

                                                                                Since there is less supply, japanese are more willing to spend money to get the goods...

                                                                                As for the internet ninja and other download tools - did you knwo that hgmo encourages their users to get these tools? It lessons peak period traffic. We also wrote a custom apache mod that limits the daily amount of downloads per user and limits the number of connections to apache per user plus limits the connection speeds.

                                                                                It works out fairly well.

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                                                                                • L0stMind
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Brown Bear


                                                                                  So if someone gets a server with you, is it in Vancouver or Seattle?
                                                                                  Right here in Vancouver, about 10 minutes from my house

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                                                                                  • m0rph3us
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by Brown Bear


                                                                                    So if someone gets a server with you, is it in Vancouver or Seattle?
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                                                                                    • quiet
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by mech
                                                                                      I think the key to why 99bb, HGMO, and many DreamCash ( ) sites convert and retain so well is because from what I've seen Japan and Korea aren?t saturated with free porn. Almost every site jp-sex trades with are pay sites. Plus not to mention that by law their porn must be optically censored and those pay sites offer censor free content.
                                                                                      yeah, that's what i thought. hmm.
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                                                                                      • Brown Bear
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by L0stMind


                                                                                        Right here in Vancouver, about 10 minutes from my house
                                                                                        I'll keep that in mind if I ever need to escape US anti-porn laws.
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                                                                                        • Brujah
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          ok so about the content.. asians wanting to see asians content..
                                                                                          does it mean the japanese surfer doesn't care if the content is japanese, chinese, korean, etc. ? or the majority would be looking for other japanese content ?

                                                                                          someone post some pics..

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                                                                                          • L0stMind
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by Brown Bear


                                                                                            I'll keep that in mind if I ever need to escape US anti-porn laws.
                                                                                            Hehe, remember when bush got elected and ash whats his name got in? Everyone freaking about US porn laws.. man I had a gold rush going on then

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                                                                                            • L0stMind
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              hmm, back on topic.

                                                                                              Japanese want to see what is advertised on the site.

                                                                                              If you have a sight full of thai girls, advertise it as a thai soap massage bar girls site instead of trying to fool people into thinking the girls are japanese.
                                                                                              Last edited by L0stMind; 11-14-2002, 01:03 AM.

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                                                                                              • quiet
                                                                                                we'll miss you our friend. RIP
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by L0stMind
                                                                                                If you have a sight full of thai girls, advertise it as a thai soap massage bar girls site instead of trying to fool people into thinking the girls are japanese.
                                                                                                obviously. this holds true for the entire adult internet.

                                                                                                the biggest issues (from what i understand) are:

                                                                                                (1) content production
                                                                                                (2) getting your hands on a large volume of traffic.
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                                                                                                • mech
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                                                                                                  #49


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                                                                                                  Last edited by mech; 11-14-2002, 01:06 AM.
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                                                                                                  • Brown Bear
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Thats nasty pussy
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