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  • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
    Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn
    • Jul 2004
    • 38323
    #1

    Serious Question - Would You Refund This Member?

    So this guy joins my site, spends 45 minutes that night, and 30 minutes the next day downloading over a gigabyte of content (approx. 1-1/2 hours of video), and then cancels his Membership and requests a refund.

    When I write and ask why he is unhappy with the site, he writes back and says that he was told by someone that it was a dating site, and that he could get the phone numbers and e-mail addresses of the girls on the site.

    Supposedly it took him over a hour of looking at and downloading porn from my site to figure out that it wasn't a dating site.

    My site in no way looks like a dating site. In fact, I scanned my entire site which has over a thousand pages, and the word "dating" doesn't appear anywhere.

    So now he is threatening to have Visa charge back the fee ($19.95), and says he will contact the BBB, and every site he can think of to let people know what I did.

    BTW, I was polite and explained to him why I did not believe a refund was in order (he spent over and hour on the site and downloaded over a gigabyte of content), and that if anyone owed him a refund, it was the person who told him to join my site because it was a dating site.

    Would you refund this Member?

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    • GatorB
      The Demon & 12clicks
      • Oct 2001
      • 18208
      #2
      Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
      So this guy joins my site, spends 45 minutes that night, and 30 minutes the next day downloading over a gigabyte of content (approx. 1-1/2 hours of video), and then cancels his Membership and requests a refund.

      When I write and ask why he is unhappy with the site, he writes back and says that he was told by someone that it was a dating site, and that he could get the phone numbers and e-mail addresses of the girls on the site.

      Supposedly it took him over a hour of looking at and downloading porn from my site to figure out that it wasn't a dating site.

      My site in no way looks like a dating site. In fact, I scanned my entire site which has over a thousand pages, and the word "dating" doesn't appear anywhere.

      So now he is threatening to have Visa charge back the fee ($19.95), and says he will contact the BBB, and every site he can think of to let people know what I did.

      BTW, I was polite and explained to him why I did not believe a refund was in order (he spent over and hour on the site and downloaded over a gigabyte of content), and that if anyone owed him a refund, it was the person who told him to join my site because it was a dating site.

      Would you refund this Member?

      ADG
      No I wouldn't. He's full of shit. He's not going to the BBB and a bunch of websites admit he joined a porn site and downloaded porn.

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        • 'mo
          Confirmed User
          • Sep 2009
          • 356
          #3
          Everyone threatens a chargeback when they are pissed. Get the evidence in hand, fight the chargeback and tell him to fuck off.

          8 times out of 10, anyone that threatens all he just did is nothing but a trailer park socialite, don't bother.
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            • Major (Tom)
              So Fucking Banned
              • Nov 2003
              • 32492
              #4
              Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
              So this guy joins my site, spends 45 minutes that night, and 30 minutes the next day downloading over a gigabyte of content (approx. 1-1/2 hours of video), and then cancels his Membership and requests a refund.

              When I write and ask why he is unhappy with the site, he writes back and says that he was told by someone that it was a dating site, and that he could get the phone numbers and e-mail addresses of the girls on the site.

              Supposedly it took him over a hour of looking at and downloading porn from my site to figure out that it wasn't a dating site.

              My site in no way looks like a dating site. In fact, I scanned my entire site which has over a thousand pages, and the word "dating" doesn't appear anywhere.

              So now he is threatening to have Visa charge back the fee ($19.95), and says he will contact the BBB, and every site he can think of to let people know what I did.

              BTW, I was polite and explained to him why I did not believe a refund was in order (he spent over and hour on the site and downloaded over a gigabyte of content), and that if anyone owed him a refund, it was the person who told him to join my site because it was a dating site.

              Would you refund this Member?

              ADG
              Hell no!

              Check this out.. One time this guy joined. I happened to actually watch his join turn bold in nats. I look up his info to check to see if it looks ok. 30 minutes later I refresh and i see a refund. I see the guy has aim. So I hit him up. He said, my kid used the card. I said BS. You managed to download 3 scenes and found your kid using the card, and refunded all in 30 minutes? He replies "Get a life."
              smh
              duke

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                • nekrom
                  Confirmed User
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 921
                  #5
                  It's one of those 50/50 things. On one hand he's a cunt and I'd tell him to fuck off. On the other hand a refund will cost you less if he actually does do a CB and good luck disputing those. 90% of the time you will loose a challenge as I have in the past, even when providing the biller with log files of all the content that was downloaded and ip access stamps.

                  -N
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                    • starpimps
                      Confirmed User
                      • Sep 2006
                      • 6954
                      #6
                      refund right away

                      or

                      counter with a "damage your creditscore" routine
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                        • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                          Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 38323
                          #7
                          Originally posted by GatorB
                          No I wouldn't. He's full of shit. He's not going to the BBB and a bunch of websites admit he joined a porn site and downloaded porn.
                          I agree on your first point (he's full of bull), but then he uses the extortion/blackmail card (I'm assuming he will post his BS anonymously).

                          Originally posted by 'mo
                          Everyone threatens a chargeback when they are pissed. Get the evidence in hand, fight the chargeback and tell him to fuck off.

                          8 times out of 10, anyone that threatens all he just did is nothing but a trailer park socialite, don't bother.
                          I have been polite. I already checked his background - he's a white collar guy.

                          Originally posted by DukeSkywalker
                          Hell no!

                          Check this out.. One time this guy joined. I happened to actually watch his join turn bold in nats. I look up his info to check to see if it looks ok. 30 minutes later I refresh and i see a refund. I see the guy has aim. So I hit him up. He said, my kid used the card. I said BS. You managed to download 3 scenes and found your kid using the card, and refunded all in 30 minutes? He replies "Get a life."
                          smh
                          duke
                          I would have refunded him if he said that his kid used the card (I've only had a few of those over the past 10 years).

                          It's the implausibility of his claim that it took him over an hour, and a gigabyte of downloading to realize that my site was a porn site and not an adult site.

                          Originally posted by nekrom
                          It's one of those 50/50 things. On one hand he's a cunt and I'd tell him to fuck off. On the other hand a refund will cost you less if he actually does do a CB and good luck disputing those. 90% of the time you will loose a challenge as I have in the past, even when providing the biller with log files of all the content that was downloaded and ip access stamps.

                          -N
                          It's not about the $19.95. It's about the principal. I hate rewarding bad behavior just because it is expedient. It will only encourage him to continue doing bad things.

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                            • SGS
                              Confirmed User
                              • Dec 2002
                              • 5176
                              #8
                              No I wouldn't.
                              See sig...

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                                • 'mo
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Sep 2009
                                  • 356
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                  I have been polite. I already checked his background - he's a white collar guy.
                                  Perfect. Most white collar guys have a wife. Let him charge back. Then send him a letter, and on the outside mark it "ADULT CONTENT". Send his IP address along with everything he downloaded (for added effect, send scene names), and demand for him to pay his bill. Problem solved.
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                                    • DamageX
                                      Marketing & Strategy
                                      • Jun 2001
                                      • 14293
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                      It's not about the $19.95. It's about the principal. I hate rewarding bad behavior just because it is expedient. It will only encourage him to continue doing bad things.

                                      ADG
                                      Principles more often than not end up costing more money than they're worth. Refund the piece of shit, block his IP and whatnot and move on. Will take a lot less effort, money and getting pissed off over it. Sure, life's not fair, but putting shit like this behind you fast will make it more bearable.
                                      Whitehat is for chumps

                                      If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

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                                        • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                          Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn
                                          • Jul 2004
                                          • 38323
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by starpimps
                                          refund right away

                                          or

                                          counter with a "damage your creditscore" routine
                                          My current thoughts are:

                                          1) Hold my ground on principal, and make him aware that I will challenge him wherever he tries to smear me, by posting the facts and my position,

                                          or

                                          2) Refund him, and then tell him that I will put a lawyer on him if he libels me even after I refunded him.

                                          If I do the latter, then he will have received what he wanted, content without paying.

                                          It's such a small amount of money for either of us to fret over, but he is trying to make his case based upon principals which I believe are false.

                                          I still think whomever told him to join my site should be the one, if anybody, to refund him (if that person exists), since that is the only one guilty of fraud/error.

                                          ADG
                                          Last edited by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude; 10-09-2009, 12:58 AM.
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                                            • JFK
                                              FUBAR the ORIGINATOR
                                              • Jan 2002
                                              • 67369
                                              #12
                                              No refund

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                                                • SleazyDream
                                                  I'm here for SPORT
                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                  • 41470
                                                  #13
                                                  tell him you'll sue him in small claims court if he does and his name will be forever permentally tied to porn in the public record.
                                                  This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                  Now read without the word dog.

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                                                    • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                                      Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn
                                                      • Jul 2004
                                                      • 38323
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by SGS
                                                      No I wouldn't.
                                                      Noted.

                                                      Originally posted by 'mo
                                                      Perfect. Most white collar guys have a wife. Let him charge back. Then send him a letter, and on the outside mark it "ADULT CONTENT". Send his IP address along with everything he downloaded (for added effect, send scene names), and demand for him to pay his bill. Problem solved.
                                                      His address is a PO Box drop...

                                                      Originally posted by DamageX
                                                      Principles more often than not end up costing more money than they're worth. Refund the piece of shit, block his IP and whatnot and move on. Will take a lot less effort, money and getting pissed off over it. Sure, life's not fair, but putting shit like this behind you fast will make it more bearable.
                                                      Oops. I meant principles, not principals.

                                                      As usual, you make a lot of sense...

                                                      Originally posted by JFK
                                                      No refund
                                                      Noted.

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                                                        • 'mo
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Sep 2009
                                                          • 356
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                                          tell him you'll sue him in small claims court if he does and his name will be forever permentally tied to porn in the public record.
                                                          Says the man who ties himself to shady practices to make a buck. I agree with him.
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                                                            • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                                              Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn
                                                              • Jul 2004
                                                              • 38323
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                                              tell him you'll sue him in small claims court if he does and his name will be forever permentally tied to porn in the public record.
                                                              So will mine...

                                                              I guess I could file a report with the Fraud department at ccBill, and that would presumably at least make it more difficult for him to scam others or purchase porn, since it might increase his negative scrub rating (assuming such a thing exists).

                                                              Can anyone from ccBill comment?

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                                                                • SleazyDream
                                                                  I'm here for SPORT
                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                  • 41470
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by 'mo
                                                                  Says the man who ties himself to shady practices to make a buck. I agree with him.
                                                                  excuse me?
                                                                  This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                                  Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                    • 'mo
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Sep 2009
                                                                      • 356
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                                                      excuse me?
                                                                      You have said that in the past you did some shady shit to make a $? No?
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                                                                        • SleazyDream
                                                                          I'm here for SPORT
                                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                                          • 41470
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by 'mo
                                                                          You have said that in the past you did some shady shit to make a $? No?
                                                                          least i don't hide behind a fake nickname like a coward
                                                                          This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                                          Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                            • 'mo
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Sep 2009
                                                                              • 356
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                                                              least i don't hide behind a fake nickname like a coward
                                                                              This is my one and only nick here. I don't hide behind shit, I joined here and started posting. Why you get so defensive?

                                                                              Geez
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                                                                                • Major (Tom)
                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                  • Nov 2003
                                                                                  • 32492
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by DamageX
                                                                                  Principles more often than not end up costing more money than they're worth. Refund the piece of shit, block his IP and whatnot and move on. Will take a lot less effort, money and getting pissed off over it. Sure, life's not fair, but putting shit like this behind you fast will make it more bearable.
                                                                                  In the end, you are 100% correct my friend.
                                                                                  It's business, not personal. Can't let emotion control your stock
                                                                                  Duke
                                                                                  Last edited by Major (Tom); 10-09-2009, 01:46 AM.

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                                                                                    • blonda80
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                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      No I wouldn't
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                                                                                        • Jensen
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Apr 2001
                                                                                          • 3790
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          more interresting, what would ccbill support do? $100 on refund.. :/

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                                                                                            • CC
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Feb 2001
                                                                                              • 1690
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              I would just refund the purchase. Otherwise he'll just chargeback and that's worse than a plain old refund. I don't buy the threats or anything though.

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                                                                                                • Sausage
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                                  • 3012
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Emotional Brain : Fuck him ... no refund and tell him you will follow up any of his threats with legal action. Mention fraud and other keywords

                                                                                                  Business Brain : Refund and get rid of him
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                                                                                                    • pinkbits
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Feb 2007
                                                                                                      • 367
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      You most likely wont have a say in the matter. This is the sad reality. YOur billing company is always scared of loosing there licence with Visa. They always fold.

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                                                                                                        • Smiley
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                                                                          • 1265
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          i see this type of thing alot around this time of the year...esp closer to the holidays as ppl need money for xmas...claiming they never visit the site or i canceled already blah blah blah...

                                                                                                          in the end its cheaper to refund and add his card to a fraud database and/or block him....i hate it and emotionally i want to tell these people they are full of shit and all, but a refund is better than dealing with chargebacks...

                                                                                                          to all the posts about press legal action or any of that is just plain gfy foolishness...are you really going to spend the time & money on legal actions for one member...come on people, stop puffing up your chest and acting all tough....emotions cannot dictate business...
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                                                                                                            • V_RocKs
                                                                                                              Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                                                                                                              • Nov 2003
                                                                                                              • 32451
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Personally I'd ICQ a webmaster in his area and have said webmaster destroy the fuckers car. Then I'd give him a $19.95 refund and be really polite.

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                                                                                                                • NemesisEnforcer
                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                  • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                  • 2122
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                                                                                                  My current thoughts are:

                                                                                                                  1) Hold my ground on principal, and make him aware that I will challenge him wherever he tries to smear me, by posting the facts and my position,

                                                                                                                  or

                                                                                                                  2) Refund him, and then tell him that I will put a lawyer on him if he libels me even after I refunded him.

                                                                                                                  If I do the latter, then he will have received what he wanted, content without paying.

                                                                                                                  It's such a small amount of money for either of us to fret over, but he is trying to make his case based upon principals which I believe are false.

                                                                                                                  I still think whomever told him to join my site should be the one, if anybody, to refund him (if that person exists), since that is the only one guilty of fraud/error.

                                                                                                                  ADG
                                                                                                                  Refund the money and add him to the negative record database.
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                                                                                                                    • uvort
                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                      • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                      • 3580
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Worst he can do is chargeback, he's not going to the BBB.. that's bullshit. I would refund him if you haven't already. A refund is a lot better then a CB...
                                                                                                                      See Sig.
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                                                                                                                        • MrMaxwell
                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                          • Jul 2005
                                                                                                                          • 10057
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          I do not enjoy or tolerate being lied to and/or threatened. You bought and paid for access to my website and the content contained therein after which you proceeded to make an effort to "download" a considerable amount of my product.. Which you have done. Over two thousand megabytes worth. Now that you've taken digital delivery of my product, you claim that you were trying to access a dating website and you want your money returned back to you.

                                                                                                                          Two questions:
                                                                                                                          1. While you were busy taking delivery of my product, were you looking for a date?
                                                                                                                          2. What could have possibly given you the idea that my adult website had anything to do with dating?

                                                                                                                          As I said, I do not enjoy being lied to, so you've got three choices:

                                                                                                                          1. Write an e-mail to me asking for a refund. This will be granted to you and your name and other information will be added to an industry blacklist so that other website owners will have the opportunity to be aware of your fraudulent actions.

                                                                                                                          2. Call your credit card issuer and ask them to send a chargeback through. This action is a fraudulent one and will be disputed. In the short term, you will have our $20 and in the long term you may be added to negative databases at several financial institutions. This will make your internet purchases of any kind somewhat difficult. In an extreme case, if you've pulled such a thing in the past, you may be made to face charges for what you have done.

                                                                                                                          3. Stop lying to me and pay for the product you've received. You would not go and steal from a store (or would you..), and I would think that considering your professional background you probably do know that this would be the right thing to do.

                                                                                                                          Ball is in your court, you, have a nice evening!!

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                                                                                                                            • Sly
                                                                                                                              Let's do some business!
                                                                                                                              • Sep 2004
                                                                                                                              • 31379
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Is a fight about this really worth $20? Think of the time you already spent messing with this guy. I'm sure you can find better things to do with that time.
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                                                                                                                                • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                                                                                                                  Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn
                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                                  • 38323
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Thanks for all of the input...

                                                                                                                                  I'll probably refund the misanthrope, just to be rid of him, despite racist, misogynistic comments like this in his latest e-mail (FYI, I never brought up the issue of race):

                                                                                                                                  I am NOT a prejudice type person, however I dated a Chinese girl for many months and several before her and they all had one thing in common besides being Blood Sucking Bitches who just wanted my money. All of them were Cheap, Tight Wades, Pushy, Bossy, Greedy, Money Grubbing and would not give an inch, even though they should have coincided. I have found this to be a typical action of ALL Asian woman. So re-reading your E-mail's to me, I have come to the conclusion that you must be ASIAN, hence your attitude about a lousy $19.95
                                                                                                                                  He has an attitude like that, and yet he is trying to locate an Asian girl on a dating service?!?

                                                                                                                                  ADG
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                                                                                                                                    • MrMaxwell
                                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2005
                                                                                                                                      • 10057
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                                                                                                                      Thanks for all of the input...

                                                                                                                                      I'll probably refund the misanthrope, just to be rid of him, despite racist, misogynistic comments like this in his latest e-mail (FYI, I never brought up the issue of race):



                                                                                                                                      He has an attitude like that, and yet he is trying to locate an Asian girl on a dating service?!?

                                                                                                                                      ADG

                                                                                                                                      Send him the letter I wrote
                                                                                                                                      And ask him what wades is
                                                                                                                                      And what any of that has to do with anything

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                                                                                                                                        • Iron Fist
                                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                          • Dec 2006
                                                                                                                                          • 23400
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          If I ever chargeback on CC I would never tell you the reason... besides, I never have ever called my CC company to chargeback anything, except when I had fraudulent charges on my card through PayPal one time... but they caught it before I did.

                                                                                                                                          I think if you download anything over a certain amount then you can't chargeback.
                                                                                                                                          i like waffles

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                                                                                                                                            • Altheon
                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                              • May 2004
                                                                                                                                              • 506
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              To be rid of such a massive pain in the ass is worth $20. Send him a refund and block his IP address on your server.

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                                                                                                                                                • baddog
                                                                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                  • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                                                  • 107089
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Well, what do you think the odds are of your contesting the CB successfully? Won't that cost you more than the $20 he wants?

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                                                                                                                                                    • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                                                                                                                                      Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn
                                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                                                      • 38323
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by MrMaxwell
                                                                                                                                                      Send him the letter I wrote
                                                                                                                                                      And ask him what wades is
                                                                                                                                                      And what any of that has to do with anything
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by MrMaxwell
                                                                                                                                                      I do not enjoy or tolerate being lied to and/or threatened. You bought and paid for access to my website and the content contained therein after which you proceeded to make an effort to "download" a considerable amount of my product.. Which you have done. Over two thousand megabytes worth. Now that you've taken digital delivery of my product, you claim that you were trying to access a dating website and you want your money returned back to you.

                                                                                                                                                      Two questions:
                                                                                                                                                      1. While you were busy taking delivery of my product, were you looking for a date?
                                                                                                                                                      2. What could have possibly given you the idea that my adult website had anything to do with dating?

                                                                                                                                                      As I said, I do not enjoy being lied to, so you've got three choices:

                                                                                                                                                      1. Write an e-mail to me asking for a refund. This will be granted to you and your name and other information will be added to an industry blacklist so that other website owners will have the opportunity to be aware of your fraudulent actions.

                                                                                                                                                      2. Call your credit card issuer and ask them to send a chargeback through. This action is a fraudulent one and will be disputed. In the short term, you will have our $20 and in the long term you may be added to negative databases at several financial institutions. This will make your internet purchases of any kind somewhat difficult. In an extreme case, if you've pulled such a thing in the past, you may be made to face charges for what you have done.

                                                                                                                                                      3. Stop lying to me and pay for the product you've received. You would not go and steal from a store (or would you..), and I would think that considering your professional background you probably do know that this would be the right thing to do.

                                                                                                                                                      Ball is in your court, you, have a nice evening!!
                                                                                                                                                      I like your letter, but given his most recent rant (I quoted just one paragraph), I have no time or patience to deal with him or his lunacy anymore.

                                                                                                                                                      ADG
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                                                                                                                                                        • MrMaxwell
                                                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2005
                                                                                                                                                          • 10057
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Of course it's better to lose $20 than have a CB .. but .. then this guy will just go and do it to you, and you and you and you and you .. People like this need to understand or at least think that there can be repercussions to this kind of behavior.

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                                                                                                                                                            • kristin
                                                                                                                                                              GOO!
                                                                                                                                                              • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                                                              • 9768
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              If you are on your own Merchant account tell him to bring the CB to you.

                                                                                                                                                              Once you show that he logged in, it's over. He will lose.
                                                                                                                                                              Vacares rules.

                                                                                                                                                              "Usually only fat guys have the kind of knowledge and ability that Kristin has."

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                                                                                                                                                                • ProG
                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                  • Apr 2009
                                                                                                                                                                  • 1319
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Give him a refund, but send it as a check in the mail, with your site domain as the return address.
                                                                                                                                                                  History will be kind to me for I intend to write it.

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                                                                                                                                                                    • teh ghey
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      I would refund and get rid of him, then ban him from ever signing up again.
                                                                                                                                                                      $20 is not worth it

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                                                                                                                                                                        • spazlabz
                                                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                                                          • 6548
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Yes, I would give him a refund, might as well because the billing companies will with a no questions asked attitude (Thank YOU Visa)

                                                                                                                                                                          I would also add his card to the fraud database and make a note in his account explaining why


                                                                                                                                                                          spaz

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                                                                                                                                                                            • EZRhino
                                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                                                              • 6258
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Hell no!
                                                                                                                                                                              Cancel him, black list him as fraud and contact his issueing bank just for wasting your time.

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                                                                                                                                                                                • DamageX
                                                                                                                                                                                  Marketing & Strategy
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 14293
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                                                                                                                                                                  I like your letter, but given his most recent rant (I quoted just one paragraph), I have no time or patience to deal with him or his lunacy anymore.

                                                                                                                                                                                  ADG
                                                                                                                                                                                  Sound decision. Your time is worth more than the $20 refund.
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • msp
                                                                                                                                                                                      Registered User
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2007
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 46
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      He thought it was dating? Do you have an affiliate e-whoring your site?

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • andrej_NDC
                                                                                                                                                                                          Registered User
                                                                                                                                                                                          • May 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 7760
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          I had few of such jerks before...they were always very rude and threatend with everything possible. I always replied to them that if they think they are just going to use my site and not pay, I will call the police on them and report fraud. They were all super nice afterwars and apologized.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • suesheboy
                                                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 5211
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              What a bunch of poor business people most of you are.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Refund at once. You already lost way more that $20.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Worry about making money and spend your time productively.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • SomeCreep
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 26118
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Would you refund this Member?

                                                                                                                                                                                                  ADG
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Absolutely, refund him. A chargeback hurts you, not him.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • punkpred
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • May 2007
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 1434
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                                                                                                                                                      No I wouldn't. He's full of shit. He's not going to the BBB and a bunch of websites admit he joined a porn site and downloaded porn.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Agreed
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