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  • Loch
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    • Feb 2002
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    #51
    cross sales are bad mmmkay

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    • CunningStunt
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      #52
      Fiddy pissed off affiliates.

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      • TheDoc
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        #53
        Originally posted by signupdamnit
        TheDoc, which programs do you run or are you involved with?

        Thanks in advance.

        You are the reason why Affiliate Programs don't post on forums like they once did. You make our industry pathetic and boring.

        ... and you have nothing to worry about, I haven't invited you into one of my programs, allowing you the privilege to make money with me...
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        • signupdamnit
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          #54
          Originally posted by TheDoc
          You are the reason why Affiliate Programs don't post on forums like they once did. You make our industry pathetic and boring.

          ... and you have nothing to worry about, I haven't invited you into one of my programs, allowing you the privilege to make money with me...
          Why would they be scared to post? What do we matter anyway. According to you, you don't need affiliates. Affiliates aren't worth the traditional 50% that has been standard for a decade. Affiliates should just take whatever you decide to give them and shut up.

          No big loss. I'm sure I'll be able to choose from one of the other dozen of others that do the niches you do and are willing to give me an HONEST 50% cut and respect me. Good luck with your secret invite only program.

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          • signupdamnit
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            #55
            Originally posted by TheDoc
            You are the reason why Affiliate Programs don't post on forums like they once did. You make our industry pathetic and boring.

            ... and you have nothing to worry about, I haven't invited you into one of my programs, allowing you the privilege to make money with me...
            We're just lowly affiliates and you don't need us, right? So what programs are you connected with? If we blacklist you what does it matter.....we're not worth 50% you can do it all yourself, no?

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            • TheDoc
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              #56
              Originally posted by signupdamnit
              Why would they be scared to post? What do we matter anyway. According to you, you don't need affiliates. Affiliates aren't worth the traditional 50% that has been standard for a decade. Affiliates should just take whatever you decide to give them and shut up.

              No big loss. I'm sure I'll be able to choose from one of the other dozen of others that do the niches you do and are willing to give me an HONEST 50% cut and respect me. Good luck with your secret invite only program.
              Correct, my program doesn't need you... but other programs do and you're the reason so many of them don't post anymore.

              Why? It's very simple. If they speak up about anything 'you' don't agree with, you run off and threaten to pull links while the other program 'thinking' the same thing, gets to benefit from it.

              What traditional 50%? Don't all the programs listed pay at least 60% if not higher?

              And programs don't have to pay 50%... as long as I tell you up front what it is, it makes no damn difference what I pay you, as long as you agree to it.




              Originally posted by signupdamnit
              We're just lowly affiliates and you don't need us, right? So what programs are you connected with? If we blacklist you what does it matter.....we're not worth 50% you can do it all yourself, no?
              Oh, I very much don't need affiliates, I don't use affiliates, I don't promote to you and I don't allow you in because you're an affiliate.


              I work with roughly 500+ programs, and growing... I make programs more money and have worked with many of the major processors and lots of others... including your primary source of income.

              Sucks to be you..

              P.S. All programs think they over pay affiliates, all wish they could pay less. Competition is what stops them.
              Last edited by TheDoc; 09-30-2009, 07:50 PM.
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              • signupdamnit
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                #57
                Originally posted by TheDoc
                Competition is what stops them.
                IOW, the realization that if they piss off affiliates too much they are going to be the ones who end up screwed.

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                • TheDoc
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                  #58
                  Originally posted by signupdamnit
                  IOW, the realization that if they piss off affiliates too much they are going to be the ones who end up screwed.
                  If all affiliate programs dropped payouts, like they have done before... nothing would change, like before.

                  Not all porn programs / products pay 50% buddy... sorry to burst your bubble. And once you step out of our Industry, the majority don't.
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                  • signupdamnit
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by TheDoc
                    If all affiliate programs dropped payouts, like they have done before... nothing would change, like before.

                    Not all porn programs / products pay 50% buddy... sorry to burst your bubble. And once you step out of our Industry, the majority don't.
                    There will be someone paying out 50% for each niche probably for at least the next 5 years no matter what happens. If the pay gets too low those who can drive traffic might decide to open their own programs which would just mean even more competition for the sponsors.

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                    • Nurgle
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                      #60
                      Originally posted by TheDoc

                      Oh, I very much don't need affiliates, I don't use affiliates, I don't promote to you and I don't allow you in because you're an affiliate.


                      I work with roughly 500+ programs, and growing... I make programs more money and have worked with many of the major processors and lots of others... including your primary source of income.

                      Sucks to be you..

                      P.S. All programs think they over pay affiliates, all wish they could pay less. Competition is what stops them.

                      your clearly a fucking hero.. must be awesome to be you!

                      as per previous post.. ure a jackass
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                      • TheDoc
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                        #61
                        Originally posted by signupdamnit
                        There will be someone paying out 50% for each niche probably for at least the next 5 years no matter what happens. If the pay gets too low those who can drive traffic might decide to open their own programs which would just mean even more competition for the sponsors.
                        I think you lost your head a few posts back and forgot what you were pissed about.

                        Of course some program will always pay more, that's why I said 'Competition is what stops them', some will pay higher pps/%'s, others will blow the charts off... while others don't.

                        I have stated, more than once in this thread "Programs aren't created equal..."

                        That is a very simple thing to understand..
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                        • TheDoc
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                          #62
                          Originally posted by Nurgle
                          your clearly a fucking hero.. must be awesome to be you!

                          as per previous post.. ure a jackass
                          Oh yeah, the guy that thinks Revshare means share all revenue with the affiliate but it doesn't mean share all costs.


                          Those programs listed...don't more than a few have revshare xsale links and pay a higher % because of it? I saw the twistys one.. but I mean a higher %..if not, don't you have a list of like 100 other programs, to use?
                          Last edited by TheDoc; 09-30-2009, 08:14 PM.
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                          • signupdamnit
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                            #63
                            Originally posted by TheDoc
                            I think you lost your head a few posts back and forgot what you were pissed about.

                            Of course some program will always pay more, that's why I said 'Competition is what stops them', some will pay higher pps/%'s, others will blow the charts off... while others don't.

                            I have stated, more than once in this thread "Programs aren't created equal..."

                            That is a very simple thing to understand..
                            I think I already made my thoughts known. Have a good night.

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                            • Nurgle
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                              #64
                              Twistys werent on the list.. simply because they are upfront and have the option,.. clearly ure too fucking stupid to even have read the thread properly.. and no one else on that list offers that in their webmaster area.. again.. u show little knowledge in an area u profess to know so much about
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                              • dial
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                                #65
                                don't mind Nurgle, he is just upset his revenues are down because he refuses to evolve in this industry

                                how are those sub-par paysites with non-exclusive content going there Nurgle?
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                                • Nurgle
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                                  #66
                                  Originally posted by dial
                                  don't mind Nurgle, he is just upset his revenues are down because he refuses to evolve in this industry

                                  how are those sub-par paysites with non-exclusive content going there Nurgle?
                                  going well thanks.. clearly u dont pay full attention.. some are exclusive
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                                  • TheDoc
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                                    #67
                                    Originally posted by Nurgle
                                    Twistys werent on the list.. simply because they are upfront and have the option,.. clearly ure too fucking stupid to even have read the thread properly.. and no one else on that list offers that in their webmaster area.. again.. u show little knowledge in an area u profess to know so much about
                                    Talking about someone that can't read....

                                    I didn't ask if they had links like twistys, I said "don't more than a few have revshare xsale links and pay a higher % because of it?"

                                    That's "have" xsale revshare links - that also pay you a higher %? And some clearly do pay 60%+


                                    At this point your posts are nothing short of comical. Hell, most of the programs you listed aren't backed by the best reps in the first place. You promote at least two companies that openly steal from our Industry. Good job!

                                    Then to top it off, most pay higher than 50%, most say "% of the membership and rebill" and not all transactions/sales produced with your traffic. Learn to read the terms.


                                    Why not just go promote one of the 1000's of programs that pay whatever, and have no xsales of any kind? I'm sure we could find you about 50 sponsors here on GFY alone.


                                    Topbucks pays 75% on revshare with no xsale links..


                                    Based off this post, once you flip your links to non-xsales, your traffic should respond, sales will double and you will be right back to how it used to be.
                                    Last edited by TheDoc; 10-01-2009, 07:09 AM.
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                                    • andrej_NDC
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                                      • May 2004
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                                      #68
                                      Originally posted by signupdamnit
                                      <Places NDC on personal blacklist>

                                      Nice to have a way to see which sponsors don't really give a fuck about affiliates and don't respect them. Makes it easier to send traffic to the other dozen sponsors within that niche instead.

                                      I wish you all would just start ONE thread though and sign off your names. It'd be a lot easier for us to keep track.
                                      Few years ago I would take it as a bad thing. Now I know the affiliates who are the loudest send the least traffic/sales, or even none, but they request more than 100 good affiliates together. Its the ones who don't bitch and don't concentrate on stupid things who make 90% of the sales. Every affiliate at NDC was always threated with respect, the people who are in know what I'm talking about. I was always willing to make custom deals with them, make them custom tours, even pricing options. BUT I never forced anyone to be a part of it, neither will I now.
                                      Last edited by andrej_NDC; 10-01-2009, 09:30 AM.

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                                      • famous
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                                        #69
                                        Originally posted by andrej_NDC
                                        Few years ago I would take it as a bad thing. Now I know the affiliates who are the loudest send the least traffic/sales, or even none, but they request more than 100 good affiliates together. Its the ones who don't bitch and don't concentrate on stupid things who make 90% of the sales. Every affiliate at NDC was always threated with respect, the people who are in know what I'm talking about. I was always willing to make custom deals with them, make them custom tours, even pricing options. BUT I never forced anyone to be a part of it, neither will I now.
                                        says you are powered by tyistys and pay up to 70% rev (thats what they pay with the precheck) so i dont get your point. Being you are paying 70% what is your arguement again?


                                        As for thedoc the way to look at it is if someone sends you traffic and you make 40 30 20% or whatever thats still more then you would make without them. So i dont understand all the affialte bashing hate going on. No paysite can live on affialtes alone and they sould be looked at as bonus cash in your pocket for doing little to no work.

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                                        • signupdamnit
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                                          #70
                                          Originally posted by andrej_NDC
                                          Few years ago I would take it as a bad thing. Now I know the affiliates who are the loudest send the least traffic/sales, or even none, but they request more than 100 good affiliates together. Its the ones who don't bitch and don't concentrate on stupid things who make 90% of the sales. Every affiliate at NDC was always threated with respect, the people who are in know what I'm talking about. I was always willing to make custom deals with them, make them custom tours, even pricing options. BUT I never forced anyone to be a part of it, neither will I now.
                                          I am under your ccbill program and have been for a few years. You convert at about 1:3,000 raw for me. My ccbill global average is around 1:1,400. I used to give you the benefit of the doubt but now I will just change the links over to someone else and give them a try. You won't be missing a lot of sales (or at least the sales I actually get credit for) just from me, true. But if enough people pull links it will start to hurt you eventually. Besides....the next guy I send the traffic to might convert at 1:900. TheDoc doesn't get this......that affiliates do have choices and that a little bit of respect goes a long way. Sponsors and affiliates are actually partners...it shouldn't be an adversarial relationship.

                                          In retrospect your comments here aren't all that bad but your attitude and defending the TheDoc makes me question your integrity and business ethics. And your response to me tells me that you don't want my traffic. Good day.
                                          Last edited by signupdamnit; 10-01-2009, 10:37 AM.

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                                          • TheDoc
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                                            #71
                                            Originally posted by signupdamnit
                                            I am under your ccbill program. You convert at about 1:3,000 raw for me. My ccbill global average is around 1:1,400. I used to give you the benefit of the doubt but now I will just change the links over to someone else and give them a try. You won't be missing a lot of sales (or at least the sales I actually get credit for) just from me, true. But if enough people pull links it will start to hurt you eventually. Besides....the next guy I send the traffic to might convert at 1:900. TheDoc doesn't get this......that affiliates do have choices and that a little bit of respect goes a long way. Sponsors and affiliates are actually partners...it shouldn't be an adversarial relationship.

                                            In retrospect your comments here aren't all that bad but your attitude and defending the TheDoc makes me question your integrity and business ethics. And your response to me tells me that you don't want my traffic. Good day.

                                            If pissed off affiliates hurt our business the biggest players would have been out of business years ago.

                                            1 down, 100,000 to go.....
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                                            • The Porn Nerd
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                                              #72
                                              Seriously, why don't the people who argue and bicker back-and-forth all damn fucking day just GET A (chat) ROOM and stop fighting like little kids. Anyone who wants to make money, let's talk. All this bickering and in-fighting only wastes time and poisons the mind.

                                              But hey, maybe these people have nothing better to do with their working days then sit on boards and fight with anonymous webmasters who, also, have nothing better to do.

                                              So: Let's talk baseball! Why not? Just as useful.
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                                              • signupdamnit
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                                                #73
                                                Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                If pissed off affiliates hurt our business the biggest players would have been out of business years ago.

                                                1 down, 100,000 to go.....
                                                Some of them have been taken down. Oh well. No skin off my back. Within his niche I will probably find a dozen others to send traffic to. And like I said maybe they will convert at 1:900 instead of 1:3,000 and I will make more. Not a big deal for me.

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                                                • TheDoc
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                                                  #74
                                                  Originally posted by signupdamnit
                                                  Some of them have been taken down. Oh well. No skin off my back. Within his niche I will probably find a dozen others to send traffic to. And like I said maybe they will convert at 1:900 instead of 1:3,000 and I will make more. Not a big deal for me.
                                                  Really? could you name one that affiliates took a program down?
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                                                  • signupdamnit
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                                                    #75
                                                    Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                    Really? could you name one that affiliates took a program down?
                                                    Like the other guy said the bickering is getting a bit old. I've more than made my point:

                                                    That affiliates also have plenty of choices as to where they send traffic.

                                                    But whatever happened to PIBcash anyway?

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                                                    • TheDoc
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                                                      #76
                                                      Originally posted by signupdamnit
                                                      Like the other guy said the bickering is getting a bit old. I've more than made my point:

                                                      That affiliates also have plenty of choices as to where they send traffic.

                                                      But whatever happened to PIBcash anyway?
                                                      Yeah, cause "affiliates" took PIBcash down... and not shaving.
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                                                      • signupdamnit
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                                                        #77
                                                        Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                        Yeah, cause "affiliates" took PIBcash down... and not shaving.
                                                        Take care, Doc.
                                                        *plonk*

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                                                        • andrej_NDC
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                                                          #78
                                                          Originally posted by signupdamnit
                                                          Like the other guy said the bickering is getting a bit old. I've more than made my point:

                                                          That affiliates also have plenty of choices as to where they send traffic.

                                                          But whatever happened to PIBcash anyway?
                                                          You really compare shaving to a program owner beeing honest? Are you out of your mind?

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                                                          • signupdamnit
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                                                            #79
                                                            Originally posted by andrej_NDC
                                                            You really compare shaving to a program owner beeing honest? Are you out of your mind?
                                                            No. You are being snide and bickering on purpose because you are upset over what I said to you (which is also why I am glad I pulled all your links). He asked for an example of affiliates bringing down a sponsor. I brought up PIBcash. They were shaving affiliates and were brought down for it. Yes it was over shaving but they were still brought down over what they did to affiliates.

                                                            I didn't bring it up as a direct comparison to this. I brought it up in response to "TheDoc".

                                                            Affiliates CAN take down programs to varying degrees. Word of mouth can be damaging. That's why I just pulled all your links.
                                                            Last edited by signupdamnit; 10-01-2009, 02:12 PM.

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                                                            • TheDoc
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                                                              #80
                                                              Originally posted by signupdamnit
                                                              No. You are being snide and bickering on purpose because you are upset over what I said to you (which is also why I am glad I pulled all your links). He asked for an example of affiliates bringing down a sponsor. I brought up PIBcash. They were shaving affiliates and were brought down for it. Yes it was over shaving but they were still brought down over what they did to affiliates.

                                                              I didn't bring it up as a direct comparison to this. I brought it up in response to "TheDoc".

                                                              Affiliates CAN take down programs to varying degrees. Word of mouth can be damaging. That's why I just pulled all your links.
                                                              You're a douche that's why you pulled the links... It's really that simple.


                                                              I remember the affiliates gathering up, a big group, you guys emailed and called each other, got the other 80% affiliates not on the forums together, made a conference about it, had a trade show..

                                                              It was a huge event, then all at once you pulled the traffic and bam! Pibcash was done.

                                                              But you forgot to tell a few people, 1, 2, 3+ years later while they where still online, people posted asking why they haven't been paid.
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                                                              • famous
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                                                                #81
                                                                Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                                1 down, 100,000 to go.....
                                                                thats a funny line i use almost that when i pull a sponsor. I use 1 down and 100,000 to try.

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                                                                • TheDoc
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                                                                  #82
                                                                  Originally posted by famous
                                                                  thats a funny line i use almost that when i pull a sponsor. I use 1 down and 100,000 to try.
                                                                  Same here


                                                                  This reminds me how large the Internet really is..why I love it so much. It makes no difference what any of us do, in the overall scale of things.... just enjoy it and keep moving forward.
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