You've got it. ;) Swine flue, is another stupid one for a vaccine. HPV honestly whats the percentage of woman that get cervical cancer? I know a lot of women and I can't recall one of them getting cervical cancer and dying. Not saying it doesn't happen a lot, but its not worth the risk of one of my kids dying to get some shot that really hasn't been proven to stop it anyways.
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Bravo. Those diseases are just a TINY MINISCULE minority of the diseases that are out there today. Again as I say, for every disease we "cure" how many more come out of the woodwork that we can do nothing but stand by and watch? AIDS is a good example of this, doesn't matter how much money you have, AIDS is a good equalizer. As rain forests are razes, the far reaches of the world are explored, more and more vicious illnesses are introduced (or re-introduced) into the gene pool. I'm not saying medical research and the progress we've made is not a good thing, but getting rid of those illnesses did not suddenly cure humanity, and a constant effort is needed (and is only really happening in the countries that can afford it) to stave them off. We haven't "won" the war, simply came out on top of a few skirmishes, and even then, the "victory" is fleeting. If the whole system breaks down tomorrow and vaccinations stop worldwide, there is NOTHING stopping those illnesses from becoming a part of the equation once again.Comment
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33 years ago (in medicine, that's huge), a vaccine that was most likely contaminated because it was prepared in way that we don't use anymore, 25 people died. Plus, even for that specific vaccine, the risk it had of causing GBS was still only half that of the risk a normal flu has of causing GBS.
With contemporary flu vaccines, the vaccine has about 2% of the risk of causing GBS as the flu itself does - not to mention the fact that the flu also has a rather large chance of causing plan, simple death.
Meanwhile, in the past 100 years, vaccines have saved the lives of hundreds of millions of people.
While overuse of antibiotics is most certainly a bad thing, they definitely have helped us win ground against "mother nature". See the examples I mentioned in my post above./(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
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Don't get shots. Period. I don't care what everyone says there is no way I will get a flu shot.Comment
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Those diseases are also only just a small selection of the ones we can now treat successfully.
On the other hand, they used to be absolutely rampant. Smallpox alone killed more people in the 20th century than Hitler, Stalin and Mao combined did - several times more, at that.
The fact that life expectancy keeps creeping up in western countries is not a coincidence. Most people in rich countries these days have a good chance of dying from old age, accidents or their own stupidity. That used to be quite a bit different./(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
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Another damn good reason why a lot of people should not have access to the internet.
Vaccines are way safer than ever before, very few are getting rich off of them, especially since so many are just given away. The risks from reacting from a vaccination are so minimal that they barely show up as a blip on the public radar, and yes the CDC monitors this shit like crazy.
The HPV stuff is even more crazy, sure it is new, sure people lived for not just thousands but hundreds of thousands of years. Then again we could check average life expectancy of people (not using the bible of course) but of course that would not really matter right? Cervical cancer is pretty damn high on the list and HPV is the number 1 cause of it. Few other things cause it too and yes they are looking into those too.
Kind of funny people are always bitching that nobody tries to cure anything and those types of arguments. Yet often the very damn same people are often against such treatments. Then people act surprised when the US recently started to see polio cases again.
Personally do not care what you do or do not put in your bodies. Just do not go around saying shit like it is child abuse or other stupid shit. I also think if you do not give your kids vaccines I am on the side of not allowing them into public schools. Not giving your dogs vaccines should also prevent them from going to public dog parks.Comment
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that some people refuse vaccines is darwinism at its finest.Comment
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Yes just like vets recommend you get your dogs vaccinated every year... even though it kills the dogs much earlier. lol Science and medicine have no ulterior motives nah... And they never make mistakes. LOL
Lets see my daughter had to get her required shots 2 times because the vaccine cabinets were not maintaining tempeture correctly. Awesome. That was great to have to hold my crying daughter twice while getting shots I really wasn't too excited for her to get in the first place.Comment
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I am 8 months pregnant and they want me to get a regular flu vaccine and the swine flu vaccine as soon as it comes in.Comment
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I'm not anti-vaccine per se, but this HPV vaccine seems waaaaay too political. I don't believe many people on either side of it have the girls' best interests at heart. It's either money or morals, but not girls' lives.gone. long gone.
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It is sarcasm, but fuck it I am not really that interested in replying to you after you have accused me of troll and even said you were putting me on ignore.
Some people get overly excited and buy into assorted nut jobs mumbo jumbo. Long ago this was not of much concern as the typical neighborhood crazy stayed to him/herself. Now they can network and have some have even become popular authorities. Would I really cut them off, no I do believe in such freedoms. Even if it does cause crazy to spread.Comment
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Cancer jab 'unlikely' death cause
A girl who died shortly after being given a cervical cancer vaccine had a "serious underlying medical condition", an NHS Trust has said.Sharleen Spiteri - 1989 - In The AssComment
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That's the point of the vaccine. To save lives.
1 in 4 women are supposed to carry hpv so that's a large number of women who could potentially develop cancer, or precancer where they have cell changes and just have to spend years worrying if theirs might develop into worse at some point. That does have girls' best interests at heart. How does it not?Comment
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I'm not sure why haters take small things and make them bigger than the main problem. same people use the excuse for not wearing a setbelt because some guy died because he was wearing seat belt and he would have lived if he didn't. Well yeah that happens but I'll go with the odds that say you are more likely to live with a seat belt.
every few years you hear about some guy getting killed by lightning while INSIDE his house. So using the OPs logic when there's a thunderstorm I should go outside to avoid being killed that way.Comment
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Once again retardation. The risk of you kid dying form a HPV vaccine is MUCH MUCH lower than dying of cervical cancer. But go ahead you don't look like a math genius to me. what happens if one of you kids gets cervical cancer and you knew you could have prevented it with a shot. Are you going to look her in the eye and admit you murdered her?
According to the CDC in 2005( last year for data ) 3,924 died from cervical cancer. As far as I'm concerned as long as the number of deaths from the vaccine is under 3924 you are saving lives. Basic math even a retarded child knows.Comment
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Another tragedy of this girl dying:
The overwhelming odds were she would NEVER have cervical cancer anyway.
"According to the latest global estimates,
274,000 women die
of the disease annually"
That's a lot of women. But when you put it percentage wise...there are how many BILLION people in this world? And at least half of them are women. So the chances are that young girl was never going to get cervical cancer anyway.
To put it in perspective that is 274,000 women Now check this:
"The top killer for women is heart disease, which claims nearly 489,000 deaths each year. Heart disease kills more women every year than all types of cancers combined."
So that little girl would have been better off learning proper nutrition (which not only could help prevent heart disease but also cancer as well) and excercise to fend off heart disease.
It's a conundrum for sure.
I have two daughters by the way. Got them both the vaccination. Like most folks I'm scared by what doctors say and tend to blindly follow their advice. Thank God there were no problems.
It was statistically speaking...very probably an unnecessary vaccination. But human nature made me willing to go along with it "just in case"-Robbie
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well atleast she didn't die of cervical cancerComment
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3924 deaths a year and Im supposed to risk injecting my kids with an unknown non long term tested vaccine that could cause more potential health issues that we don't know about years and years from now. Ok ya..
In 2003 there were 6,328,000 car accidents in the US. There were 2.9 million injuries and 42,643 people were killed in auto accidents.
Guess I REALLY shouldn't let them ever drive a car cause damn.. they are likely to die.
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Those are global estimates. Now Robbie do you really think they are that good at guessing at how many died of what in all of the odd ball third world countries where people do not even see doctors let alone get autopsies.
All they can do is take a guess by using data from the places that keep track, even those numbers are often flawed as not everyone is fully diagnosed properly or gets a chance to die from it (yes had a friend with leukemia who well died by getting hit by a car). Then they take that data and attempt to multiply it properly.
Then when you speak of heart disease, it is called a silent killer in women for many reasons. Big reason is that women just do not get checked out or think about hereditary issues. It is not diet or exercise related, of course eating properly and exercise will probably/more than likely help though. (keep in mind there are those health nuts who do drop dead from a stroke or heart attack, but that shouldn't be a deterrent to good nutrition and exercise either). Anyways back on point. It is the number 1 killer of women but may I bring up that heart disease is not contagious like HPV is. So the more it gets spread around the higher the number can go.Comment
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I only brought up the statistics because the way the public is presented with this...it's like: "if you don't get your daughter this vaccination she WILL die from cervical cancer"
And that just isn't true. It's not even close to true.
But as I said...I drank the koolaid myself and had the vaccination given to my daughters a few months ago.
Everything went great. The odds were unquestionable in my favor.
But IF I had forced my two babies to take that shot (and of course they did NOT want to take any shot lol ) and then I had watched them die....Well, I would have become a statistic of another kind, because I would have put a shotgun in my mouth.
I can't even fathom what that girls parents are feeling.
EDIT: My "babies" are teenagers by the way, before any smartasses chip in about giving this particular vaccination to babies lol-Robbie
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She had a chest tumour that could have killed her at any time. Coroner says the vaccine looks to have had no factor in her death but they are looking into it further.Comment
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The lesson to be learned in this thread: quite a few people do not understand statistics and comparative risk./(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
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always found that our bodies are miraculous things... yea...
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Well, shit happens...I'm just a newbie.Comment
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All i can say is that it's a real shame and sad.Comment
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8284517.stm
A girl who was vaccinated against cervical cancer died from a malignant tumour of the chest and not from a reaction to the jab, it has emerged.
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Do you forget the days where people died much younger than they do now? Do you forget what happened pre-vaccinations? Yes, I'm a parent. Yes, I vaccinate. Lots of people die in car accidents but I still drive my child around in a car. Lots of people have died from school shootings, yet my child still attends school. This young girl's life is indeed valuable, but her death was an unfortunate exception, not the rule. If your new baby is not vaccinated and ends up dying from something a vaccine could have prevented, how would you feel?Comment
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This thread makes me laugh. Now that it's known what actually caused the girl's death and all the hysteria has died down nobody gives a shit.
Not one peep from the "SEE? SEE? WE TOLD YOU IT WAS A DANGEROUS GOVERNMENT COVERUP" people.I like pie.Comment
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Fletch sorry but you're an idiot. There are some 12,000 new cases of cervical cancer in the USA alone per year. Cervical cancer is caused by HPV, human papilloma virus. This vaccine protects against the most common strains of the virus and will bring down cancer rates by 70%+ in those that get vaccinated. How can you possibly justify not giving someone the vaccine? There has been one 'death' linked to the vaccine, and now we know that the young girl died from a tumor in her chest and not from the vaccine itself.
As a medical student nothing pisses me off more than whackjobs and their bullshit anti-vaccine nonsense. I see more and more retards not vaccinating their children against diseases and we see pathogens that we thought were under control reemerging. Polio is a classic example.
Not only do you morons risk the health and safety of yourself and your children by not vaccinating, you risk the safety of society at large.
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My daughter will never in her life while under my roof get vaccinated by silly unneeded vaccines that are produces solely for bigger profits - meaning other than tetanus, fuck you pharmaboys, no money from me! If you invest in pharmacy and the stock profit of vaccine makers is more important to you than the health of your kids, then by god, get them vaccinated. Otherwise stay the hell away from this shit.
You can have me arrested, do whatever you will but if you put this crap in my kid's body you put yourself at risk of heavily fucking up your life. The shit that I would put on you would be unbearable.Comment
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Isn't there a law that gives some strict liability protections to vaccines?Comment
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You have been brainwashed. Don't bug yourself about it. You now can't possibly understand the problem anymore. You are on their side now.
Forget the money that runs the show, forget the media run by the same money, forget politics run by the same money. It's all good because the money said so.
You can't possibly oppose to this now since it wasn't your kid and the docs pulled you over.
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Depends on your country.
We have a law here that vaccination is obligatory and we can get fined if we don't get them vaccinated.
But in practice they rather don't fine people in order not to cause some public debate over it. Smart choice. Last vaccine craze that "helped prevent the flu of catastrophic proportions" was marketed heavily all over the world by the WHO and the vaccine makers. In our country like 85% of the people said "FUCK OFF!" and rightfully so - they are all still alive and well and the flu died while the other 15% are now infected with heavy metals...
People that get their kids vaccinated mostly don't read all the facts and just do it because others did it. But that's how life is. And then they say we get fucked by monetary system, capitalism, consumerism and whatnot. Nope, it's all you, the individual who blindly trusts the system.Comment
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