A lot of heat on the subject and pretty understandable. However, I think people is going berserk on these things and pretty off balance. After giving some think on the subject throughout these months, I came to these (non closed and always willing to be revised) conclusions:
* do I think MOST tubes are using illegal content? (being MOST the keyword, as opposed to NOT ALL OF THEM)
yes I do. I know it for a fact and can point to shitloads of illegal content on most big tube sites
* do I think MOST tubes aren't doing shit about it?
yes I do. They all started with illegal content and if they wanted to do something it's as simple as this:
but as we all know, they only delete things once they are caught and only after you send them a DMCA, otherwise they don't give a fuck
* do I think making money off tubes is wrong?
No I don't. I don't know if trafficjunky.net and tube8.com, pornhub and whatever are the same owners. But for what I know, they aren't doing anything illegal, just selling traffic
* do I think GFY is in the wrong?
No I don't. See, I know this is a pretty gray area, and a pretty sensitive subject, but where do you put the stop? I mean, by the sound of it, it looks like this:
TJ supports tubes = thieves
GFY supports TJ = thieves
GFY users supports GFY= thieves
GFY users family supports GFY users = thieves
and so on and so on. Seriously, where do we draw the line?
* do I think TJ will fail with this?
Not at all. I saw it all throughout my 12 years in this business. And one recurring thing I saw year after year after year is the "new doom" and how "everybody will fight it" and how everybody was doing "the new doom" in stealth mode. It never fails.
I'll go further: there are shitloads of adult tube sites and shitloads of adult tube scripts... are you telling me nobody owns those sites and nobody is buying those scripts? really?
* do I think there's money to be made with tubes?
yes I do. Although in the mid term I'm 100% sure they'll kill their own income sources by the own nature of the business model. I wrote a pretty long and explanatory article on this here on GFY so I won't go further than that. I'm still 100% convinced about it and every new day confirms it.
* do I think most GFY are a bunch of hypocrites?
yes I do. and not necessarily because of tubes. There is certain people that makes a stand and live and die for it. It must be like 0.1% of GFY users. The rest of them are just a bunch of hypocrites (when not plain and simply surfers). If in doubt, I'll repeat myself:
* so, do I support tubes?
Nope. As I said, I'm convinced they will kill everybody and then eat themselves unless something new I can't foresee shows up. However, the industry is revolving around this business model, so my only choices are to work with it and see what I can do or simply stop working (or lose 90% of traffic, income, whatever). For most people who doesn't own their own traffic sources or that provide services like scripting, design, etc, there's no room for choices. I don't like paying taxes or getting old, but my options are going to jail or killing myself, so I've to be rational and do whatever is best within some limits. It's not like TJ or GFY are selling crack to kids or stole anything
* so, my beloved fountain of eternal wisdom, should I buy traffic from TJ?
why not? they're offering $100 for free, so try it and see, maybe it's not worse than the usual TGP traffic and maybe you can make some money off it. Personally, I think that everybody and their mothers have already jumped on it while posing as "superior moral" people, with a few exceptions (that 0.1% mentioned above). If your moral, your religion or your sense of justice/ethic/beauty don't let you do that, then all my respect for you and I hope you turn out to be the answer to this fucked up business model. The first part of the previous sentence is a joke, the second part I really mean it
well, pretty much that's it. maybe I'll think on some thing later, but just wanted to give some balanced views, not everything is black or white, there are infinite shades of gray. Or even better: there are other colors. Think outside the box and survive
* do I think MOST tubes are using illegal content? (being MOST the keyword, as opposed to NOT ALL OF THEM)
yes I do. I know it for a fact and can point to shitloads of illegal content on most big tube sites
* do I think MOST tubes aren't doing shit about it?
yes I do. They all started with illegal content and if they wanted to do something it's as simple as this:
Code:
<?php
$con = mysql_connect("localhost","user","pass");
if (!$con)
{
die('Could not connect: ' . mysql_error());
}
mysql_select_db("my_db", $con);
mysql_query("DELETE FROM whatever_table WHERE User != 'Admin'");
mysql_close($con);
?>
* do I think making money off tubes is wrong?
No I don't. I don't know if trafficjunky.net and tube8.com, pornhub and whatever are the same owners. But for what I know, they aren't doing anything illegal, just selling traffic
* do I think GFY is in the wrong?
No I don't. See, I know this is a pretty gray area, and a pretty sensitive subject, but where do you put the stop? I mean, by the sound of it, it looks like this:
TJ supports tubes = thieves
GFY supports TJ = thieves
GFY users supports GFY= thieves
GFY users family supports GFY users = thieves
and so on and so on. Seriously, where do we draw the line?
* do I think TJ will fail with this?
Not at all. I saw it all throughout my 12 years in this business. And one recurring thing I saw year after year after year is the "new doom" and how "everybody will fight it" and how everybody was doing "the new doom" in stealth mode. It never fails.
I'll go further: there are shitloads of adult tube sites and shitloads of adult tube scripts... are you telling me nobody owns those sites and nobody is buying those scripts? really?
* do I think there's money to be made with tubes?
yes I do. Although in the mid term I'm 100% sure they'll kill their own income sources by the own nature of the business model. I wrote a pretty long and explanatory article on this here on GFY so I won't go further than that. I'm still 100% convinced about it and every new day confirms it.
* do I think most GFY are a bunch of hypocrites?
yes I do. and not necessarily because of tubes. There is certain people that makes a stand and live and die for it. It must be like 0.1% of GFY users. The rest of them are just a bunch of hypocrites (when not plain and simply surfers). If in doubt, I'll repeat myself:
I'll go further: there are shitloads of adult tube sites and shitloads of adult tube scripts... are you telling me nobody owns those sites and nobody is buying those scripts? really?
* so, do I support tubes?
Nope. As I said, I'm convinced they will kill everybody and then eat themselves unless something new I can't foresee shows up. However, the industry is revolving around this business model, so my only choices are to work with it and see what I can do or simply stop working (or lose 90% of traffic, income, whatever). For most people who doesn't own their own traffic sources or that provide services like scripting, design, etc, there's no room for choices. I don't like paying taxes or getting old, but my options are going to jail or killing myself, so I've to be rational and do whatever is best within some limits. It's not like TJ or GFY are selling crack to kids or stole anything
* so, my beloved fountain of eternal wisdom, should I buy traffic from TJ?
why not? they're offering $100 for free, so try it and see, maybe it's not worse than the usual TGP traffic and maybe you can make some money off it. Personally, I think that everybody and their mothers have already jumped on it while posing as "superior moral" people, with a few exceptions (that 0.1% mentioned above). If your moral, your religion or your sense of justice/ethic/beauty don't let you do that, then all my respect for you and I hope you turn out to be the answer to this fucked up business model. The first part of the previous sentence is a joke, the second part I really mean it
well, pretty much that's it. maybe I'll think on some thing later, but just wanted to give some balanced views, not everything is black or white, there are infinite shades of gray. Or even better: there are other colors. Think outside the box and survive
AIM: GrouchyGfy
) then how do they give me One Hundred Dollars worth? Do I just pull my website up to the pump and they fill 'er up? lol
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