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  • baddog
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    • Apr 2001
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    #1

    No American should have to choose between health insurance and

  • Boogie3
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    • Feb 2004
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    #2
    Don't forget they all have to have the latest and greatest cell phone
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    • bobby666
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      • Nov 2005
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      #3
      god save america

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      • Fat Panda
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        #4
        Originally posted by bobby666
        god save america

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        • 96ukssob
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          • Mar 2003
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          #5
          , sad but true.

          have cool stuff and getting drunk is more important than health insurance to many
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          • L-Pink
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            • Mar 2005
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            #6
            Will crack be covered under the president's pharmacy plan?


            .

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            • Barefootsies
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              #7
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              • baddog
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                #8
                Originally posted by L-Pink
                Will crack be covered under the president's pharmacy plan?


                .
                Not sure, but I was reading the other day that Target Stores [or some locations, anyway] would now be able to fill your weed prescriptions.

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                • beemk
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Boogie3
                  Don't forget they all have to have the latest and greatest cell phone
                  and what use is the latest and greatest cell phone without custom caller tunes and ringtones???
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                  • Killswitch - BANNED FOR LIFE

                    #10
                    I don't care about Health Insurance, until I'm at least 35....

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                    • nation-x
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                      • Mar 2004
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                      #11
                      baddog - Do you support any reform at all or should they just skip the issue period? I am just wondering where you stand on the issue.

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                      • baddog
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                        • Apr 2001
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by nation-x
                        baddog - Do you support any reform at all or should they just skip the issue period? I am just wondering where you stand on the issue.
                        I don't have a problem with reform. I have a problem with paying insurance for people that are not my dependents or employees.

                        I also have a problem with being lied to.

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                        • Bill8
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                          • Oct 2001
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                          #13
                          Just another straw man argument from a right winger.

                          Let's see, how many beers would it take to buy individual health insurance for a small family - individual accounts in my state are about 600 a month for a decent policy for 3 people with a 1000 deductible. Assuming they dont smoke and have no pre-existing. It's higher if they want maternity benefits.

                          How much does a minimum wager or part timer make a month now? Enough to pay rent and buy food for their family AND give the insurance company $600?

                          So, they have the money to spend on a beer - but they don't have enough money to pay the rent AND buy health insurance.

                          It's a fake argument.

                          A right winger makes a clownish video filled with hate and envy for young people, and that's supposed to be a legitimate argument?

                          Soon enough you'll have your way baddog, and your corporate masters will have passed a law fining those young people for not having health insurance - making the insurance companies even richer, and creating a huge new bureaucracy to federally enforce buying corporate insurance.

                          Congratulations, baddog, you just made the federal government bigger, and created a whole new class of criminals - folks who can't afford overpriced health insurance.

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                          • nation-x
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by baddog
                            I don't have a problem with reform. I have a problem with paying insurance for people that are not my dependents or employees.

                            I also have a problem with being lied to.
                            As far as I know there aren't any specifics as yet... there isn't even a bill yet really... just a number of proposed bills. If the bill is deficit neutral and doesn't raise additional taxes on the middle class... I don't see a problem.
                            Last edited by nation-x; 09-14-2009, 01:39 PM.

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                            • TrafficRush
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                              #15
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                              • teh ghey

                                #16
                                that video is retarded.
                                This is why I dont pay attention to politics anymore, because they always find some degenerates and use them as the typical person who the plan would help.

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                                • Rochard
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by baddog
                                  Not sure, but I was reading the other day that Target Stores [or some locations, anyway] would now be able to fill your weed prescriptions.
                                  Get the fuck out here? Your kidding me!
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                                  • onwebcam
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                                    #18
                                    I wonder what kind of Health Insurance George Washington and Jesus had.
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                                    • baddog
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                                      • Apr 2001
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by nation-x
                                      If the bill is deficit neutral and doesn't raise additional taxes on the middle class... I don't see a problem.
                                      Why just the middle class?

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                                      • bns666
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                                        • onwebcam
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Bill8
                                          your corporate masters will have passed a law fining those young people for not having health insurance - making the insurance companies even richer, and creating a huge new bureaucracy to federally enforce buying corporate insurance.
                                          And this my friends is what the whole deal boils down to. I'll add a bit though. A whole new bureaucracy telling you how to live, eat and die as well as mandating things such as Flu Vaccines. Almost sounds like slavery eh?
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                                          • PurrrsianPussyKat
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                                            #22
                                            I'm a safe driver. I've never been in a car accident.
                                            I don't want to pay for car insurance. Fucking government forcing me to. Bastards!
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                                            • okny
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                                              #23
                                              The great depression is coming all over again it just looks like things are balancing out but in fact all they are doing is damage control and soon so many people will be unemployed and in 10 years there probably wont be any social security. I heard the other day about them passing a bill for all those that can't afford insurance well i guess will have to see what happens.
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                                              • onwebcam
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by PurrrsianPussyKat
                                                I'm a safe driver. I've never been in a car accident.
                                                I don't want to pay for car insurance. Fucking government forcing me to. Bastards!
                                                You/your parents/grandparents allowed the government to force you into a ponzi scheme. Just like Social Security, medicare/medicaid, soon to be health and 401k/retirement. Before you know it your whole check/earnings will be disbursed out for you.
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                                                • onwebcam
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by okny
                                                  but in fact all they are doing is damage control
                                                  Damage control or creating the problem to bring on the solution?
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                                                  • dyna mo
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                                                    • Dec 2008
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                                                    #26
                                                    funny video, true too.

                                                    while i don't agree entirely with hr 3200 hc plan, i do like how it does away with pre-existing conditions rules.

                                                    i would like to see a plan geared more along the lines of medicaide.

                                                    medicaide was created in the 1960s, it has only a 3% overhead and in the 45 years of it's existence, i've yet to see any reports that the government uses it to tell you how to live, eat and die as well as mandating things such as Flu Vaccines.
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                                                      • ToplistBlog_Com
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                                                        • Jul 2006
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                                                        #28
                                                        You shouldn't have to choose between health insurance and your iPhone. Just sayin.

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                                                        • onwebcam
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                          funny video, true too.

                                                          while i don't agree entirely with hr 3200 hc plan, i do like how it does away with pre-existing conditions rules.

                                                          i would like to see a plan geared more along the lines of medicaide.

                                                          medicaide was created in the 1960s, it has only a 3% overhead and in the 45 years of it's existence, i've yet to see any reports that the government uses it to tell you how to live, eat and die as well as mandating things such as Flu Vaccines.
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                                                          I take it you haven't read the bills. I'll bet the house on vaccines being required. Hell there's a lawsuit going on right now where a girl is being denied citizenship because she won't take a vaccine. A vaccine which is proving to be very dangerous no less.

                                                          Taxpayers on the hook for $59 trillion

                                                          "Unfunded promises made for Medicare, Social Security and federal retirement programs account for 85% of taxpayer liabilities. "

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                                                          • dyna mo
                                                            just a fucking jerk
                                                            • Dec 2008
                                                            • 68184

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by onwebcam
                                                            I take it you haven't read the bills.
                                                            there's 1 bill, the one i mentioned. it's over 1100 pages, i doubt anyone has read it in it's entirety. i have read much of it verbatim and have read much analysis and such on the matter.

                                                            Originally posted by onwebcam
                                                            I'll bet the house on vaccines being required.
                                                            what i stated is completely accurate and verifiable whilst you are merely betting you are right- i.e. you don't even have a clue what is included in the bill.

                                                            i don't expect you to maintain a level headed perspective on the matter, just pointing out the irony of your comment.

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                                                            • onwebcam
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                              there's 1 bill, the one i mentioned. it's over 1100 pages, i doubt anyone has read it in it's entirety. i have read much of it verbatim and have read much analysis and such on the matter.



                                                              what i stated is completely accurate and verifiable whilst you are merely betting you are right- i.e. you don't even have a clue what is included in the bill.

                                                              i don't expect you to maintain a level headed perspective on the matter, just pointing out the irony of your comment.
                                                              I said it the way I did because I figured the come back would be the bill isn't finished and/or done. You pulled a different one on me.

                                                              Health Care Bill Will Fund State Vaccine Teams to Conduct ?Interventions? in Private Homes

                                                              There is a knock at the front door. Peeking through the window, a mother sees a man and a woman, both in uniform. They are agents of health-care reform.

                                                              ?Excuse me, ma?am,? says the man. ?Our records show that your eleven-year-old daughter has not been immunized for genital warts.?

                                                              ?And your four-year-old still needs the chicken-pox vaccine,? says the woma

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                                                              • IllTestYourGirls
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                                                                • Feb 2007
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by ToplistBlog_Com
                                                                You shouldn't have to choose between health insurance and your iPhone. Just sayin.
                                                                Are you joking?

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                                                                • topnotch, standup guy
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Funny video.

                                                                  All kidding aside though, how about choosing between paying for health insurance and paying the mortgage?

                                                                  Lots of people struggling out there nowadays and the last thing they need is to be hit with another big ass bill every month.

                                                                  Reasonably priced health insurance with none of that pre-existing condition crap should be made available to everyone. I really hope they can pull it off.

                                                                  But, nobody should be forced to buy health insurance.
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                                                                  • IllTestYourGirls
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                                                                    • Feb 2007
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by topnotch, standup guy
                                                                    Funny video.

                                                                    All kidding aside though, how about choosing between paying for health insurance and paying the mortgage?

                                                                    Lots of people struggling out there nowadays and the last thing they need is to be hit with another big ass bill every month.

                                                                    Reasonably priced health insurance with none of that pre-existing condition crap should be made available to everyone. I really hope they can pull it off.

                                                                    But, nobody should be forced to buy health insurance.
                                                                    Then these people over stretched themselves on their mortgages

                                                                    But yes it is expensive and there is an easy way to make it cheaper.

                                                                    1) Open up buying over state lines
                                                                    2) Have a term life insurance type health insurance where your contract can be for 5, 10, 15, 20+ years.

                                                                    Do those things first and lets see how it goes. No need to throw the whole system on its head when there are simple solutions that should be tried first.

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                                                                    • MK Ultra
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by topnotch, standup guy
                                                                      nobody should be forced to buy health insurance.

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                                                                      • topnotch, standup guy
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by PurrrsianPussyKat
                                                                        I'm a safe driver. I've never been in a car accident.
                                                                        I don't want to pay for car insurance. Fucking government forcing me to. Bastards!
                                                                        Apples and oranges.

                                                                        Auto insurance requirements are about liability, i.e. paying the other guys bills in the event that you fuck up. It's also about making sure that the bank gets paid for the cars you're both driving.

                                                                        It's a different animal.
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                                                                        • Boogie3
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by nation-x
                                                                          As far as I know there aren't any specifics as yet... there isn't even a bill yet really... just a number of proposed bills. If the bill is deficit neutral and doesn't raise additional taxes on the middle class... I don't see a problem.
                                                                          This is actually a worse way of thinking. What you are actually saying here is:

                                                                          If we can GIVE people FREE healthcare with the money WE are ALREADY taxed, it's okay.

                                                                          The answer to that is NO!!!!!

                                                                          If you want health care, get a fucking job. If you working for minimum wage is not providing you and your 5 kids with sufficient health care, you should look into acquiring a vocation that will support you in more lavish style. To wit, if you can't afford health care, you can't afford drugs, playstation, cell phone, cigarettes, etc.
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                                                                          • IllTestYourGirls
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by Boogie3
                                                                            If you want health care, get a fucking job. If you working for minimum wage is not providing you and your 5 kids with sufficient health care, you should look into acquiring a vocation that will support you in more lavish style. To wit, if you can't afford health care, you can't afford drugs, playstation, cell phone, cigarettes, etc.
                                                                            They would already be covered by the government.

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                                                                            • topnotch, standup guy
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                                                                              Then these people over stretched themselves on their mortgages
                                                                              Not necessarily.

                                                                              The economy is in the tank now, it wasn't before. More to the point, buying health insurance was not legally required before.


                                                                              Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                                                                              But yes it is expensive and there is an easy way to make it cheaper.

                                                                              1) Open up buying over state lines
                                                                              2) Have a term life insurance type health insurance where your contract can be for 5, 10, 15, 20+ years.
                                                                              Tort reform would be a good idea too.


                                                                              Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                                                                              Do those things first and lets see how it goes. No need to throw the whole system on its head when there are simple solutions that should be tried first.
                                                                              Bring the cost waaaaay down first and then maybe we can talk about forcing people to buy that shit.
                                                                              A hard dick has no conscience.

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                                                                                • IllTestYourGirls
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by topnotch, standup guy
                                                                                  Bring the cost waaaaay down first and then maybe we can talk about forcing people to buy that shit.
                                                                                  Yup in no way should anyone be forced to buy health insurance.

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                                                                                  • baddog
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                                                                                    • Apr 2001
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by onwebcam
                                                                                    I said it the way I did because I figured the come back would be the bill isn't finished and/or done. You pulled a different one on me.

                                                                                    Health Care Bill Will Fund State Vaccine Teams to Conduct ?Interventions? in Private Homes

                                                                                    There is a knock at the front door. Peeking through the window, a mother sees a man and a woman, both in uniform. They are agents of health-care reform.

                                                                                    ?Excuse me, ma?am,? says the man. ?Our records show that your eleven-year-old daughter has not been immunized for genital warts.?

                                                                                    ?And your four-year-old still needs the chicken-pox vaccine,? says the woma

                                                                                    http://www.cnsnews.com/public/conten...x?RsrcID=51115
                                                                                    An Onion parody.

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                                                                                    • nation-x
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                      Why just the middle class?
                                                                                      Because I don't see any problem with taxing the group of people who have gained the most from the actions of the previous administration. I didn't agree with the Bush tax cut when it was done... even John McCain spoke out against it. I still don't think it should have been done. Look at any income graphs from the Reagan era until now and you will see that the rich have been getting richer... the poor have been getting poorer and the middle class is disappearing. Almost noone has a truly career employment position and our manufacturing base has left in droves... all in an atmosphere with the lowest tax brackets for the rich in almost a century.

                                                                                      The people who whine about "smaller government" have no real idea of what that means. It means a country like Mexico that has lots of resources but no real middle class because the government doesn't really serve the people as a whole. The fake cry of "socialism" is ridiculous... we have been a socio-capitalist country since the New Deal. Social Security and Medicare are a good thing... but without a middle class they are doomed... because they are the primary contributors and recipients. I don't want to live in a country with no middle class... because it is a country that will be made up of "plantations" and "plantation workers". The middle class gives our country balance and is the foundation of it's successes.

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                                                                                      • baddog
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                                                                                        • Apr 2001
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by nation-x
                                                                                        Because I don't see any problem with taxing the group of people who have gained the most from the actions of the previous administration.


                                                                                        Seriously.

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                                                                                        • nation-x
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by baddog


                                                                                          Seriously.

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                                                                                          • nation-x
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                                                                                            #46

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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              For those who don't understand the implication of that graph... it is a paradigm in which the rich are gaining wealth at almost twice the rate of those in the lower income bracket. The fact that our economy is in such a shambles proves that Supply Side (trickle down) economics does not work to build jobs or increase economic opportunity for the working class... all it does is siphon the wealth into the pockets of the rich. That is pure capitalism... right? It is the flaw of capitalism... because as the rich gain more wealth their consumer base is eroded. Eventually they won't have any more consumers... why do you think they are trying to globalize the economy? To gain more consumers.... because they are already seeing the economic strain in the domestic economy.

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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                its fucking ridiculous ..
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                                                                                                • dav3
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                  I have a problem with paying insurance for people that are not my dependents or employees.


                                                                                                  You've been doing it for decades already. But now, you have a problem with it. Why is that?

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                                                                                                  • baddog
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by dav3


                                                                                                    You've been doing it for decades already. But now, you have a problem with it. Why is that?
                                                                                                    I feel that I pay enough to take care of slackers, and I don't feel like paying more than I already am.

                                                                                                    Better?

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