So how many of you idiots still believe a bunch of camel jockeys did 9-11?

What is incredible is, most Americans don't even know what happened there.

Fact: Most U.S. citizens blindly trust their government.
Fact: Most U.S. citizens feel 'elite' to outright ridicule what they call 'conspiracy theorists'.
Fact: Most U.S. citizens don't know the definition of 'conspiracy'.

Actually the entire area was littered with tens of thousands of documents in perfect condition... it took forever to clean it up. That was a well known fact.

I already explained this.. between the horizontal and vertical drafts surrounding buildings that high, combined with the low terminal velocity of a passport it could easily travel over 1/4 mile in less than one minute.

What is the terminal velocity of a passport?

Took the word right out of my mouth !

But then again, there are people believing that a guy can walk on water
What can we do ?

Indeed, every damn year we get a thread like this.

Ha.... Kids...

I agree with you that anything is possible, but most likely we will never find out the truth about most of these things...but i do have to say, as an american, you cant keep your head in the ground if you suspect your govt is not serving the people anymore- we are the only ones that have the responsibility (though we seem to have forsaken it) to make sure our govt stays in line. The truth is for us to get any kind of answers (whether JFK, Pearl harbour, area51, 9/11) would require a coordinated effort that we just dont seem to have in us anymore...but i do have to add that anyone that has seen that Eisenhower speech on the industrial military complex has to be a little scared by what we see around us...

Cant you lodge them in an intl bank like hsbc and get a SKR (safe keeping receipt) which will then let you get a line of credit from the thai branch to invest there until you metals here appreciate to your sell point then get out pay the line and you should come out way ahead...

Public Service Announcement:

People, the world you live in, the life that you lead, IT IS ALL AN ILLUSION. A fraud, you were born into it, your parents were born into it. It is not your fault. It's time to wake up, it's time to stop living in the false reality that has been constructed around you. It's time to start thinking for yourself.

Thank you.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled de-programming..

The argument for the passport is just as flimsy as the paper it's made of. Very easy for the uninformed to attack. Does anyone have an intelligent rebuttal/explanation for something a little more weighty?

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500 MPH is slow? Also the 2 planes that hit NY crash very shortly after take-off and know one knew they where hi-jacked before then. Flight 93 was being tracked. And yes it would have been shot down if it had gotten closer to DC.
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You forgot the best part of the "story". 35 minutes after the second plane hit and we KNEW we were under attack, a commercial jetliner was able to penetrate the most restricted airspace and hit the most heavily defended building in the world. It only takes 6 minutes for NORAD to scramble jets, Andrews Air Force Base had two squadrons of fighters on alert only 10 miles away. And yes 500 MPH is slow compared to the 1,500 MPH speed of of the F16s deployed.

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You realize it came down HOURS later because it was on FIRE.
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This is the Windsor skyscraper in Madrid, built without fire protections. It was an inferno for over 20 hours and the steel structure stayed intact.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?...d&hl=en&emb=0#

This is an Orange

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...inMmvAw&hl=en#

Also keep in mind that building 5, located between the two towers and building 7, sustained much greater fires burning throughout and stayed intact.

These are the only 3 steel skyscrapers have "fallen" because of fires in the history of the world. All within a few hours of each other.

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keyword being FEET not miles, 25,000 feet is less than 5 miles. You cell phone won't work within 5 miles of a tower?
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So by that logic your cell phone should work like a charm at the normal altitude of 35,000 feet, right? Why don't you try it next time you're in the air? Don't worry, the plane won't crash.
The ban on cellphones in flight is mainly from the FCC because of possible interference with the plane's instruments, but it is also supported by mobile companies because you phone would try to access hundreds of towers at the same time, it does not work and causes problems. Cell phones are meant to work on the ground.

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And you'll believe any kook that comes up with some "theory". How is that different?
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You shouldn't believe any story, official or otherwise. You should look into it yourself instead of listening to everyone else. Google is your friend. I'm glad I saw this thread today because it made me think about everything again and it lead me to this last piece of information.

Everyone, please explain why the BBC reported the collapse of building 7 over twenty minutes before it's actual implosion - with the building clearly in view behind the reporter...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxFRigYD3s

scary

When you consider the MIND-BOGGLING logistics of wiring almost 300 stories of steel beam buildings to collapse, in the heart of one of the busiest, most secure areas in NYC --- all credibility for any controlled demolition theories just die instantly.

Where are all of these ninja engineering experts with the heartlessness to kill innocent Americans, and also keep quiet about it?

Anyone who believes the CD theory is an idiot, and has never bothered to actually look into what's involved.

Honestly, you may be right and I may be misinformed. From what I understood, what was found was not in good shape. But, I have not extensively looked into it either. I consider 9-11 payback for the USA doing evils abroad, and it is exactly that. There are just some oddities, at least I believe they are, that I would like detailed explanations of. You have given good info on the passport that I was unaware of. Thanks.

it does seem odd...but did you know that the following points are all facts:

1. goerge bushs brother took over control of world trade centers 6 months before it came down

2. first official act was to get rid of all the bomb sniffing dogs

3. closed down major sections of the buildings...and no one was allowed in..not even building maintenance.

weird coincidence eh

Marvin Bush's company ran the security for WTC. I worked in a much smaller highrise for a number of years. It was only 28 stories much smaller than even WTC 7. I spent 10-12 hours a day 5-6 days a week there. I wouldn't have known about anything going on around other than what happened on my floor and the bar area on my way out Walked in the door in the morning walked to the elevator went up and came back down the same way. We had security actually very high security. You couldn't even get on the elevator to my floors without having a personal pass code. Anything could have went on in that building without any real suspicion from me and hell since the head of the GOP for my state was one floor up it probably did lol Anyway back to Marvin and how it could have been done. They could have done the "wiring" for months and only brought in the explosives after they literally "called off the dogs" on September 6th. Yeah they removed the bomb sniffing dogs on September 6th.

Yet, you will be called an "idiot" for even saying such an absurd thing.

Just because someone here couldn't pull it off, doesn't mean it can't be done.

Your bullshit about "the elites" makes the rest of your post come off as maniacal.


You made good points. The event deserves a real investigation. But forget the unsubstantiated stuff, or we all look like crazees.

:D

Well, they knew about it ahead of time.

"The Americans had deciphered Japan's code earlier and knew about a planned attack before it actually occurred."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_harbor

:D

I see your point but look at what happened in Russia after the Bolshevik revolution. Something like 40 million died from murder, forced famine, gulags, etc. Something like 8-10 million were murdered in the Ukraine alone. And yes, destroying farms and taking away their food WAS MURDER. These people did not have a 7-11 down the block where they could go buy a cheese hot dog in the middle of the winter when they had no food. The Ukraine was the breadbasket of that part of the world so for them to have a famine was just crazy.

Do you think this was all by accident? No, the leaders of the revolution not only planned to slaughter the Romanovs (including their children and dog) but also the best and brightest of the Russian people.

You think what happened in Russia cannot happen again?

In just the last 2 generations look at the death tool governments inflicted on their own populace in Russia, Germany, China, Cambodia .....

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I really pity idiots like you. Do you think that perhaps I was trying to say "ask 10 guys who are in the professional class"? Of course some bumb or Burger King employee would not know about shorting stocks but people who are college educated should know basic things like that. Hell almost nobody I talk to even understands what FOREX is all about. That includes most professional people.

Please go back to your video games.

Yes, and lets not forget when the "elites" chopped off the heads of the best and brightest of the Armenians and then marched millions of Armenians into the desert and left them there to die.

Socially and politically an entirely different situation... I agree about the Bolshevik "revolution" but does it have anything to do with 9/11? Only marginally.

Better to go on about lack of military response, lack of Bin-Laden responsibility, lack of logistical evidence for the so-called "collapses" etc...

:D

And you get your information from where? I can post a bunch of stuff too, but it doesn't make it true.

Give me a link to your insanity.

Marvin Bush graduated from Woodberry Forest School in 1975, and also holds a B.S. from the University of Virginia, where he was a member of St. Elmo Hall. He spent most summers and holidays at the Bush family estate.

Marvin Bush was on the board of directors of Securacom[1] from 1993-2000.

Securacom provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. The company was backed by KuwAm, a Kuwaiti-American investment firm on whose board Marvin Bush also served.

Marvin Bush is a former director of HCC Insurance Holdings,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_P._Bush

He was re-elected to the board but the company was still under contract on Sept 11th.

In addition HCC Insurance, formerly Houston Casualty Co., was one of the insurance carriers for the WTC. He left the HCC board in November 2002.

...You missed my point. Just because you wear a suit does not automatically mean you are involved in the financial part of any given business.

By your crackpot theory, the following people (and many more) apparently don't wear suits and aren't involved in any business other than flipping burgers:

• HR staff
• IT staff
• Support staff
• Strategy planning
• Receptionists
• Clerical staff
• Administration staff
• Teachers
• Professors
• Lecturers
• ...and many more

Why should College-educated people automatically know about the finance industry? Again, this may come as a shock to you, but there are other degree and Major/Minor choices out there, other than finance - who do you think provides technical and engineering support to everyone? Magic stock exchange pixies?

Should read "He wasn't re-elected" but still held his ownership.

Hey, it's wiki. They can put whatever they want.

The typo error was my fault. I use a wireless keyboard and it's great at losing characters

You are beyond help my friend. Sad

Horrible, irrelevant example.

As I mentioned before I do not know, but it would certainly be higher than a feather and lower than a wallet... heck, actually when you think about it, if it's wide open it might even have some aerodynamic traits like a friggin glider, frisbee, or paper airplane lol

I believe a bunch of camel toes did 9-11.

Indeed I am, but not because of pointing out your poor analogy.

Look up the definition of analogy. Wow, did you even go to school? Amazing

You alluding to all people who wear suits being involved in the stock market is a poor analogy, as although some people who wear suits will be involved in the stock market or financial sector, it cannot be logically inferred that because somebody wears a suit, they must be involved in the finance sector.

I'll be the first to admit that the term "analogy" may not be the best-case fit for what your example was, but you still haven't bothered to try and explain what it is that you're driving at.

If you were trying to go for condescension through the implication that some business people wouldn't understand the concept of short selling, then you've failed by virtue of your argument that "all business people are involved directly with the financial sector" is inherently flawed.

I'll give you horrible, but not really irrelevant. They didnt need to know how to do much more than point the nose and the basics of air stalling and how not to do it. Basically steering.

No you fucking caveman I mean that adults who are productive members of society (especially professionals) should know the BASICS of the stock market.

And you are a typical moron who thinks it matters what a person majored in college. Does not matter the major/minor as you should take it on yourself to be a renaissance man. Look that up as well.

they're the worst.

Why should people who don't deal with the financial sector understand concepts within it anymore than Average Joe should understand the complexities of VLSM? If an area isn't within your expertise, it can't be expected that you'd automatically know about it just because your colleagues in that sector do, thus by implying people are morons for not knowing about an area they don't deal in is a logical fallacy.

Why should the average person strive to become an expert in areas that don't interest them, just so they can fit your warped view of the world? Look outside your window at the economy - it's a system of specialism, whereby each individual takes up a job role within a speciality.

Think it through - if one person knew everything, everyone would set up as a sole trader.

Ok you are trolling me. LOL

nano thermite brought down the twin towers also wtc building 7

also that cunt Larry Silverstein made $7 billion out of the destruction of the twin towers - he renewed the lease months before which included terrorism - smart man.

Silverstein the dumb ass admits to pulling it meaning to bring down a building - CONTROLLED DEMOLITION. watch the video on Youtube. search Larry Silverstein

illuminati must be loving this, dumb asses still don't get it. hahahahaha

I think you should research what JFK believed in - he didnt want war, he wanted to be friends with Russia. Didnt like the FBI especially the CIA they told him lies, behind closed doors he planned on breaking up the FBI/CIA, he passed several acts which gave them less power. He WARNED us about SECRET SOCIETIES google it you can listen to the audio on Youtube, its very powerful.

The Elite/illuminati are working for that New World Order, at the moment they are WINNING.

MP Robin Cook, the Database and Secrets - Before he was MURDERED

On the day after the July 7th, 2005 bombings on London transport, former foreign secretary Robin Cook MP wrote what turned out to be his penultimate newspaper column for the Guardian. In it he revealed something about al-Qaeda that perhaps he shouldn't have.

Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan.

Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. Inexplicably, and with disastrous consequences, it never appears to have occurred to Washington that once Russia was out of the way, Bin Laden's organisation would turn its attention to the west.

As far as I know, this was the first time publicly, in the anglophone world, that the al-Qaeda name had been explained as referring to a computer database.

In the francophone world, a colourful former French military intelligence officer, Pierre-Henri Bunel, had had a book published in 2004, "Proche-Orient, une guerre mondiale?", extracts of which appeared [in French] on a French conspiracy website. The extract went into some detail of how al-Qaeda originally referred to a computer database of Islamist fighters. But, AFAIK, it was not until after Robin Cook had revealed the same in the Guardian, and after his death a month later, that an English translation of Bunel's words appeared on the web. It's a rough translation, which doesn't read well. But the basic outline of his account accords with what Cook had revealed.

Here's my suspicion: that Robin Cook knew nothing about P-H Bunel's book or article, and that his knowledge of the origin of the Qaeda name stemmed solelyfrom his time at the Foreign and Commonwealth Office. In other words, that both men had, independently of each other, revealed that, as they understood it, the designation 'al-Qaeda' had originally referred to a computer database. And, according to Bunel, that that name had been operative at least by the mid-'80s.

But yesterday MI5 the government published its 'narrative' of the July 7th bombings [.pdf]. Annex 3 of the whitewash was a chronology of the development of modern jihadism. Extract:

c1984 Radical preacher Abdullah Azzam set up an organisation called Maktab al-Khidmat (MAK) "Bureau of Services" to disseminate propaganda about jihad in Afghanistan. Usama bin Laden (UbL) joins.

1989 Withdrawal of Soviet forces from Afghanistan. UbL returns to Saudi Arabia. Decision by MAK to continue to support jihadist causes. Thinking around "the base" or "foundation" (translation: Al Qaida) for further operations articulated.

1988-89 UbL disagreement over focus of the cause and starts to form Al Qaida. [...]

So, MI5's version of the aetiology of the 'Qaeda' name makes no mention of computer databases, or its use by western intelligence agencies before 1989, and it repeats previous explanations as to its origins. So, either Cook and Bunel were wrong, or they were right but wrong to reveal it. And while Bunel is a peripheral figure lacking credibility, Robin Cook was neither.

When I first read Cook's July 8th article, and the zinger about 'al-Qaeda' as a database, I wondered about what secret he might reveal to us next. But now I wonder about what, say, MI6 thought about the possibility of the former foreign secretary, who had signed the Official Secrets Act for life, revealing other things that he shouldn't (if, that is, the database story were true). Then, it would have become a matter of national security. How could they prevent him from repeating his mistake? Could they have had him arrested and charged under the OSA? Did they try to speak to him, between July 8th and August 6th, 2005, to warn him as to his future conduct?

If Robin Cook was starting to spill secrets, his sudden death one month later would have saved the defence, intelligence and security services from having to confront a difficult problem, one which would have had no obvious, certain solution.

A danish scientist Niels Harrit, on nano-thermite in the WTC dust ( english subtitles )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o

Niels Harrit and 8 other scientists found nano-thermite in the dust from the World Trade Center.

He is interviewed on danish TV2 News.

People can see a full transcript, news, forum and the video in high quality here:
http://agenda911.dk/article.php?story...

Another site in danish is encouraging people to stand forward demanding a new investigation here:
http://www.i11time.dk/

The full report from the scientists can be found here:
http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/con...

this one is a classic!!!!!

this guy needs new cell service.

PS. they were getting cell service cause they were not at 35,000 feet, they were at more like the amount of feet of a 100 story building which is not too high at all!

nanothermite is not an explosive and has been shown, time and again, to not create sufficient energy to cut steel. the sheer amount required to cut even hope to cut one steel beam is overwhelming.

until someone can show the math/science/calculations of what it would take to collapse both towers and wtc 7, there's no sense in even discussing the possibility of nanothermite as the means of destruction.

Are there any buildings tens of thousands of feet high? Ok. I was referring to the reports from the FBI that some of calls from the planes were from cell phones while the planes were in the air. Ever tried making a cell phone call from an airplane? The planes would have had to be very close to the ground. Ok so the planes were not at 35,000 feet, I was just venting. You got me there. But I doubt any cell phone calls could have been made.

This cell phone issue is just a small detail. Forget it. Focus on building number 7. That is what really gets people stop and say "huh?".

I have. We were up several thousand feet and over the ocean before it cut out.

I'm unsubscribing from this thread so it doesn't show up in my CP.. cuz man,.. this is just buttered goofy nutzo whacky shit.. LMAO...

I think that when the aliens came in 44, they were the ones in the grassy knoll ..

that crazy comment does not even compare to the ones in here..

somehow, someone put in some strategic demolition bombs into the whimpy non strategic building #7 planning on someone flying planes into both WTC buildings....??? (I am gonna blow up the whitehouse and then to make it even better, i will take out some outhouses nearby LMFAO)

the passporte thing, i have explained that.. and what's even worse is apart from how things can travel, I know that in the mid 80's there was a hurricaine in the gulf of mexico, several days later small nickel sized salt water jelly fish appeared in fresh water lakes in the North East US including upstate NY 1400+ miles away.. i am guessing the government dropped them there to kill off those that might be allergic?

LOL.. this thread is just not worth anyones time..

but maybe i am a government agent trying to convince you otherwise!!! LOL j/k... ... ..

...

...or maybe i am not a government agent?

... or am i?

.. or am i not?
.. maybe i target porn forums and that is my special op's deal.. i am all kungfu james bond on this shit and i am trying to cover for the government..

or not...
but maybe, just maybe i am..

but maybe i am not...

actually, who does number 2 work for anyway?
i dunno..

anywhoo gotta unsubscribe from this fantasy land thread..

later..

you call me insane...but this is public knowledge

and you know nothing about it?

yet you claim to have a good bead on what happened

you need to take a look around at the world...cause there are lots of things happening

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT...eature=related

Leave it up to Grandma to tell the truth...