iPorn Scam Revealed: User Numbers are a fraud--Francis Koenig ripping off advertisers

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  • wargames
    Kliris
    • May 2003
    • 10423

    #51
    This industry constantly amazes me
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    • rowan
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Mar 2002
      • 17393

      #52
      I remember earlier posts about Berlin... something about him "testing" that the girls were suitable to perform on camera by cream pie'ing them in a private room?

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      • JustDaveXxx
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        • Feb 2005
        • 4111

        #53
        This is good!! Gets better and batter!!


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        • billyb
          Confirmed User
          • Jul 2008
          • 184

          #54
          You know the old saying"don't hate the player, hate the game". FMK has gotten millions of dollars from his endaveours, I guess the big companies he bilked were to stupid?, or to lazy to check out his past?.

          FMK for Senate 2010, hell! he should run for Governor here in 2010. Some companies should just close their door if they have to deal with people like this.

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          • Porno Dan
            Court Jester
            • May 2003
            • 6342

            #55
            Originally posted by Wizard21
            rumor had it at last year's Venus fest in Berlin, an iPorn employee had to bust down the door to Francis' hotel suite to rescue a drugged out model that was being molested. Bad behavoir keeps getting worst.
            While I might not see eye-to-eye with Francis this is incorrect

            I was there when the door was kicked in

            The guy who kicked the door in was wasted, and was just fucking around trying to make Francis come out his room, where he was camped out with one of the models



            Originally posted by rowan
            I remember earlier posts about Berlin... something about him "testing" that the girls were suitable to perform on camera by cream pie'ing them in a private room?
            He was actually shooting them for his mythical POV cream pie surprise site, which would have been fine if such a site existed.

            The issue was insited on doing a POV cream pie scene with every girl before anyone else could work with them.

            He then got upset when he found out the agents were charging him for every scene and none of the male talent, myself included, wanted to work with girls after he cream pied them. The Euro porn girls we worked with didn't believe in using a douche.
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            • rowan
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Mar 2002
              • 17393

              #56
              Originally posted by Porno Dan
              He then got upset when he found out the agents were charging him for every scene and none of the male talent, myself included, wanted to work with girls after he cream pied them. The Euro porn girls we worked with didn't believe in using a douche.
              Too much information!

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              • Honez
                Confirmed Brat
                • Apr 2003
                • 6636

                #57
                Originally posted by D-Money
                I bet those models at the bikini competition were all trannys too!

                Got us again!
                Who cares. Those bikinis were hot!
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                • JFK
                  FUBAR the ORIGINATOR
                  • Jan 2002
                  • 67369

                  #58
                  Originally posted by Honez
                  Who cares. Those bikinis were hot!
                  these bikinis ?




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                  • InternetIsForPorn
                    Confirmed User
                    • Sep 2007
                    • 848

                    #59
                    Referring to the OP.

                    This happens every single fucking day in mainstream. Many "new media" companies do exactly this - buy chunks of junk traffic to show OMG HUGE RESULTS to suits from big corporations.

                    Every. Single. Day.

                    And I bet that this happens a lot in porn, too. But it's incredibly hard to prove.

                    So my question is, how can you prove everything you've said?

                    I have recently won a case in court similar to this one, but with a lot of hard-on proof, and it was still difficult to prove to the judge.

                    And again, I repeat myself that buying lots of junk traffic to improve Alexa is nothing new, nor is keeping advertisers happy by occasionally redirecting higher quality traffic.

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                    • ShellyCrash
                      Confirmed User
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 6708

                      #60
                      Originally posted by InternetIsForPorn
                      This happens every single fucking day in mainstream. Many "new media" companies do exactly this - buy chunks of junk traffic to show OMG HUGE RESULTS to suits from big corporations.

                      Every. Single. Day.
                      Quoted for truth.

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                      • Mickey_
                        • Nov 2005
                        • 4238

                        #61
                        Originally posted by Atominder
                        A decent media buyer can tell from the Alexa's detailed stats the quality and primary sources of the traffic.


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                        • CamJack
                          Old School Webmaster
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 1334

                          #62
                          I met the guy at the Miami show and smelled a scandal within minutes. The site looks like it runs on a $300 script. The movie rights for this story is worth more than the advertising you could buy on the site.
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                          • seeandsee
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                            • Mar 2006
                            • 50945

                            #63
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                            • ilbb
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                              • May 2005
                              • 3025

                              #64
                              thanks for info

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                              • DWB
                                Registered User
                                • Jul 2003
                                • 31779

                                #65
                                Originally posted by JFK
                                hmm were they??



                                DWB confirmed. Not a single tranny in those pics.

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                                • Klen
                                  • Aug 2006
                                  • 32234

                                  #66
                                  This story have sense,i'v seen this happening when i was in ptr industry,then was piece of cake to manipulate alexa rank to reach up to number 1000.When people will realize alexa is not valid info of site traffic.

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                                  • 12clicks
                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                    • Jan 2001
                                    • 19814

                                    #67
                                    um, any "top companies" that were scammed because of alexa rankings aren't really top companies.
                                    I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                    • 2MuchMark
                                      Mark of 2Much.net
                                      • Aug 2004
                                      • 51080

                                      #68
                                      I may get flamed here, but -

                                      I met Francis and a couple of his partners years ago at Internext Miami and they seemed like ok people. At the time they were selling a service that would have introduced us to possible investors. I declined the offer but not because I smelled a Rat, it was just something I wasn't interested in at the time. Good meeting, learned alot, nice people. No hardcore sales tactics.

                                      I met up with Francis again at Internext Vegas. Again no hardcore sales of any kind. "How's it going?" etc etc. Thats it. Same for Internext Miami this past summer.

                                      A couple of weeks ago though, I received a phone call from a sales rep who told me he worked for iPorn. He was extremely bad at his job. I don't know who I felt more badly for: Him, or whoever his boss was. He was terrible.

                                      He was offering me advertising on iPorn for I forget howmuch. $5000 I think. When I asked him what kind of value I was getting for my money though, he could not answer me. What are the stats? How many views will I get? Is this Pay Per Click? Exactly what are you trying to sell me? He had no idea.

                                      So then I asked him if I could test his traffic. "Let's put an affiliate code up for a couple of days - paid if you want - so that you and I can test the traffic together to see if we can convert it. If so, I'll buy in".

                                      To me it seemed like a perfect offer. I did not suggest that his traffic would not covert, instead, I said "Let's see if WE can Convert YOUR traffic". (I was careful to say it exactly this way).

                                      He refused, and instead kept falling back on who the other advertisers were. "Look we have Video Secrets up there! We've got to be good! Why would they advertise with us if we weren't good?" I tried to explain to him that this was exactly the wrong kind of sales pitch to toss around.

                                      I went on to explain that we will gladly pay for advertising as long as we can convert it and make money with it. I told him we did the same with Wildline and spend $30k a year with those guys and we have been their FAVORITE client for the past 3 years already (Hi Johnny!)

                                      It really wasn't his day. I was READY to spend money. I was in a GOOD MOOD, ready to try out a new source of traffic, etc etc. Francis doesn't have the best reputation in the industry but then again so what we've all had shit thrown around at one time or another. If the numbers made sense, I was ready to rock. But nope. This poor guy just kept digging his hole ever deeper. He was the worst salesman I had ever talked to.

                                      Anyway, thats my story with iPorn. I sincerely hope that all the stories about them aren't true. Maybe a post from one of their reps in this thread may help clear things up a little.

                                      If anything, there's lots of lessons to be learned here. Always trust your gut. If a deal seems to good to be true it probably is. Try hard to make the best product possible and offer it at a fair price and you'll do alright.
                                      Last edited by 2MuchMark; 09-04-2009, 05:06 AM.

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                                      • Dirty D
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • May 2002
                                        • 4044

                                        #69
                                        LOL at the companies that bought traffic from this train wreck.

                                        I had 3-4 online sales people hitting me up for weeks trying to sell that shit.
                                        A quick look at Alexa shows that it is completely bogus traffic.

                                        Anyone that gave FMK any money, either as an advertiser or investor deserves what they get.... Nothing.

                                        This Douche is making the porn industry look bad... Which is hard to do!

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                                        • JFK
                                          FUBAR the ORIGINATOR
                                          • Jan 2002
                                          • 67369

                                          #70
                                          Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
                                          DWB confirmed. Not a single tranny in those pics.
                                          Dayumn , you're good DWB, here is your prize


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                                          • Davy
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                                            • Apr 2006
                                            • 4323

                                            #71
                                            Thanks for posting, Wizard21.
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                                            • Janessa
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Jan 2008
                                              • 266

                                              #72
                                              Originally posted by JFK
                                              re the modelling contract, this is just off my icq, the contributor wishes to remain anonymus...................

                                              i knew they scammers man, all they wanted me to do was send girls to their hotel room to win the *modeling contract*

                                              they were even rude to Janessa, telling her she should leave her boyfriend because he was rich and good looking...I was a bit disgusted.......he=francis.......she was contestant #1

                                              they were saying the winner would be announced on Monday so that they could *judge* the girls all weekend
                                              monday came and they never posted who won
                                              that i could see...but they def were implying whoever partied with them and fucked them would get the contract

                                              winner to be decided on the following monday? WHY???
                                              why not right then...well i know why
                                              Funny you say that JFK and its so true I was so disgusted by him. I was barely home from Internext on the Sunday he had already blown up my cell phone offering me the 8K contract and asking me that he wanted ME to be the face of Iporn and wanting to be "partners" of my site ROFL. I told him that I wouldn't sell him a sliver of my site to Iporn for 1M dollars! He at that point said I was a fool for not doing it and I told him to BEAT IT! He wouldn't stop calling me on Monday and now I know why LOL
                                              Last edited by Janessa; 09-04-2009, 06:19 AM.



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                                              • JFK
                                                FUBAR the ORIGINATOR
                                                • Jan 2002
                                                • 67369

                                                #73
                                                Originally posted by Janessa
                                                Funny you say that JFK and its so true I was so disgusted by him. I was barely home from Internext on the Sunday he had already blown up my cell phone offering me the 8K contract and asking me that he wanted ME to be the face of Iporn and wanting to be "partners" of my site ROFL. I told him that I wouldn't sell him a sliver of my site to Iporn for 1M dollars! He at that point said I was a fool for not doing it and I told him to BEAT IT! He wouldn't stop calling me on Monday and now I know why LOL
                                                Thanks for posting Janessa, the info came from a rather reliable source , with no axe to grind. Thanks for confirming it

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                                                • jay23
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Jun 2003
                                                  • 1444

                                                  #74
                                                  When they started they wanted me to sign-up to their data base of investors, i was not even looking for an investor. Then i got a proposal for 60K that said they will market my company to investors. Too bad they did not know i spent 10 years in wall street.

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                                                  • Hank_Heartland
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                    • 3987

                                                    #75
                                                    Flash, Dash and Hype over substance and results = Adult Industry every time
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                                                    • troncarver
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Nov 2006
                                                      • 1584

                                                      #76
                                                      there was definitely some fucking of the models going on after the biking contest - i am sure of that --


                                                      so to confirm no model was awarded the contract?
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                                                      • 2MuchMark
                                                        Mark of 2Much.net
                                                        • Aug 2004
                                                        • 51080

                                                        #77
                                                        Originally posted by troncarver
                                                        there was definitely some fucking of the models going on after the biking contest - i am sure of that --
                                                        How come I never get to have sex with bikini models at Internext? It's my big nose, isn't it?

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                                                        • Hank_Heartland
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Sep 2002
                                                          • 3987

                                                          #78
                                                          Originally posted by troncarver
                                                          there was definitely some fucking of the models going on after the biking contest - i am sure of that --


                                                          so to confirm no model was awarded the contract?
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                                                          • GonZo
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Jul 2002
                                                            • 3180

                                                            #79
                                                            I agree with Drity D and Mark Prince AND 12clicks....
                                                            nuff said.
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                                                            • GonZo
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Jul 2002
                                                              • 3180

                                                              #80
                                                              Originally posted by Porno Dan
                                                              While I might not see eye-to-eye with Francis this is incorrect

                                                              I was there when the door was kicked in

                                                              The guy who kicked the door in was wasted, and was just fucking around trying to make Francis come out his room, where he was camped out with one of the models





                                                              He was actually shooting them for his mythical POV cream pie surprise site, which would have been fine if such a site existed.

                                                              The issue was insited on doing a POV cream pie scene with every girl before anyone else could work with them.

                                                              He then got upset when he found out the agents were charging him for every scene and none of the male talent, myself included, wanted to work with girls after he cream pied them. The Euro porn girls we worked with didn't believe in using a douche.
                                                              You know its bad when Porno Dan wont even go after you AND calls you an assclown!
                                                              Assclown Bob Rice wants to BANG your credit card!
                                                              "I am putting the bastards of this world on notice; greed and corruption will always be met with "a voice made of ink and rage."
                                                              All the information above is my personal opinion.

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                                                              • Iron Fist
                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                • Dec 2006
                                                                • 23400

                                                                #81
                                                                Originally posted by wargames
                                                                This industry constantly amazes me
                                                                Really? So the same scam reackaged and polished up amazes you? Eyes Wide Open man.... seriously.
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                                                                • Wizard21
                                                                  Registered User
                                                                  • Dec 2008
                                                                  • 21

                                                                  #82
                                                                  The Easy Way to Scam A Big Porn Company?Koenig style.

                                                                  I?ve read several posts asking how Francis could scam a ?really? big company in our biz. It is simple. You recruit one of the top sales people on the inside to champion your deal and give them a kick back from the cash you scam. It looks like at least one of the companies on Francis? hit list got suckered this way. So, if you want some ?easy cash? and work for an employer that you secretly hate, just give Francis a call and cut a deal with him to screw your company. Just have your bags packed in case you are found out and act quickly while Francis is still around.

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                                                                  • MaDalton
                                                                    I am Amazing Content!
                                                                    • Feb 2004
                                                                    • 39861

                                                                    #83
                                                                    Originally posted by Wizard21
                                                                    I?ve read several posts asking how Francis could scam a ?really? big company in our biz. It is simple. You recruit one of the top sales people on the inside to champion your deal and give them a kick back from the cash you scam. It looks like at least one of the companies on Francis? hit list got suckered this way. So, if you want some ?easy cash? and work for an employer that you secretly hate, just give Francis a call and cut a deal with him to screw your company. Just have your bags packed in case you are found out and act quickly while Francis is still around.
                                                                    it's getting better and better - too bad i'm not in the popcorn industry
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                                                                    • Dirty D
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                                                                      • May 2002
                                                                      • 4044

                                                                      #84
                                                                      NEWSFLASH -Successful porn companies don't:
                                                                      1. want or need any investors.
                                                                      2. buy shit traffic and resell it to others
                                                                      3. base your business plan on bilking investors

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                                                                      • Don Pueblo
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Dec 2004
                                                                        • 656

                                                                        #85
                                                                        Originally posted by InternetIsForPorn
                                                                        Referring to the OP.

                                                                        This happens every single fucking day in mainstream. Many "new media" companies do exactly this - buy chunks of junk traffic to show OMG HUGE RESULTS to suits from big corporations.

                                                                        Every. Single. Day.

                                                                        And I bet that this happens a lot in porn, too. But it's incredibly hard to prove.

                                                                        So my question is, how can you prove everything you've said?

                                                                        I have recently won a case in court similar to this one, but with a lot of hard-on proof, and it was still difficult to prove to the judge.

                                                                        And again, I repeat myself that buying lots of junk traffic to improve Alexa is nothing new, nor is keeping advertisers happy by occasionally redirecting higher quality traffic.
                                                                        go ahead and tell that to the huge adult internet companies who bought into that scam and see if they think it's so "passe"

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                                                                        • Don Pueblo
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Dec 2004
                                                                          • 656

                                                                          #86
                                                                          Originally posted by JFK
                                                                          Dayumn , you're good DWB, here is your prize

                                                                          So that's what Top Bucks money really looks like?

                                                                          Impressive.

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                                                                          • JimmiDean
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Nov 2004
                                                                            • 3433

                                                                            #87
                                                                            Originally posted by geoGUERILLA
                                                                            I met the guy at the Miami show and smelled a scandal within minutes. The site looks like it runs on a $300 script.
                                                                            Well said.....
                                                                            I thought the same thing when I got the pitch.
                                                                            My God there's Porn on here!

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                                                                            • FlexxAeon
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • May 2003
                                                                              • 3765

                                                                              #88
                                                                              the old alexa bait & switch....

                                                                              these aren't $25 hardlinks here. when dealing with big $ why wouldn't an advertiser asked to be invoiced periodically, AFTER their ad had been running and they could test out the traffic. especially with a co. that has no track record yet
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                                                                              • TheAmericanCannibal
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                                                                                • Dec 2006
                                                                                • 3087

                                                                                #89
                                                                                [IMG]ttp://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Business/images-2/bernard-madoff-portrait.jpg[/IMG]


                                                                                This rouse is so egregious, even Bernie can't believe it!

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                                                                                • Don Pueblo
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Dec 2004
                                                                                  • 656

                                                                                  #90
                                                                                  how can i fuck the models before they do their scenes?
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                                                                                  • Porno Dan
                                                                                    Court Jester
                                                                                    • May 2003
                                                                                    • 6342

                                                                                    #91
                                                                                    Originally posted by geoGUERILLA
                                                                                    I met the guy at the Miami show and smelled a scandal within minutes. The site looks like it runs on a $300 script. The movie rights for this story is worth more than the advertising you could buy on the site.

                                                                                    The movie rights to the iPorn story are worth way more than company.
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                                                                                    • JFK
                                                                                      FUBAR the ORIGINATOR
                                                                                      • Jan 2002
                                                                                      • 67369

                                                                                      #92
                                                                                      Originally posted by TheAmericanCannibal



                                                                                      This rouse is so egregious, even Bernie can't believe it!

                                                                                      try it now

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                                                                                      • JustDaveXxx
                                                                                        I AM JUSTDAVE !
                                                                                        • Feb 2005
                                                                                        • 4111

                                                                                        #93
                                                                                        Originally posted by Porno Dan
                                                                                        The movie rights to the iPorn story are worth way more than company.

                                                                                        Thats what i was thinking. this story gets better and better.


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                                                                                        • TheAmericanCannibal
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                                                                                          • Dec 2006
                                                                                          • 3087

                                                                                          #94
                                                                                          Originally posted by JustDaveXxx
                                                                                          Thats what i was thinking. this story gets better and better.
                                                                                          All I have been thinking of today after my meeting yesterday, is

                                                                                          NO CARBS



                                                                                          :-))

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                                                                                          • grumpy
                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                            • Jan 2002
                                                                                            • 9870

                                                                                            #95
                                                                                            my sig, pay attention to my sig. Would have saved a lot of people a lot of money
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                                                                                            • JimmiDean
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                                                                                              • Nov 2004
                                                                                              • 3433

                                                                                              #96
                                                                                              Originally posted by MarkPrince
                                                                                              How come I never get to have sex with bikini models at Internext? It's my big nose, isn't it?
                                                                                              I still Love you.....
                                                                                              My God there's Porn on here!

                                                                                              Still on the Beach !!!

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                                                                                              • Don Pueblo
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                                                                                                • Dec 2004
                                                                                                • 656

                                                                                                #97
                                                                                                i sale cheap 404 traffic
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                                                                                                • Joe King
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                                                                                                  • Jul 2009
                                                                                                  • 613

                                                                                                  #98
                                                                                                  Originally posted by TheAmericanCannibal
                                                                                                  PS I wil lbet my bottom dollar the Wizard is Mike Weiss.
                                                                                                  Who else would have that much inside info

                                                                                                  And it's great timing with his resignation being today don't ya think?

                                                                                                  just sayin'...
                                                                                                  Oh yeah you are just sayin huh? emkay

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                                                                                                  • Screaming
                                                                                                    I can change this!!!!!
                                                                                                    • Feb 2004
                                                                                                    • 18972

                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                    this was a fun read

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                                                                                                    • Bryan G
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                                                                                                      • Aug 2005
                                                                                                      • 8338

                                                                                                      #100
                                                                                                      Originally posted by MarkPrince

                                                                                                      A couple of weeks ago though, I received a phone call from a sales rep who told me he worked for iPorn. He was extremely bad at his job. I don't know who I felt more badly for: Him, or whoever his boss was. He was terrible.

                                                                                                      He was offering me advertising on iPorn for I forget howmuch. $5000 I think. When I asked him what kind of value I was getting for my money though, he could not answer me. What are the stats? How many views will I get? Is this Pay Per Click? Exactly what are you trying to sell me? He had no idea.

                                                                                                      So then I asked him if I could test his traffic. "Let's put an affiliate code up for a couple of days - paid if you want - so that you and I can test the traffic together to see if we can convert it. If so, I'll buy in".

                                                                                                      To me it seemed like a perfect offer. I did not suggest that his traffic would not covert, instead, I said "Let's see if WE can Convert YOUR traffic". (I was careful to say it exactly this way).

                                                                                                      He refused, and instead kept falling back on who the other advertisers were. "Look we have Video Secrets up there! We've got to be good! Why would they advertise with us if we weren't good?" I tried to explain to him that this was exactly the wrong kind of sales pitch to toss around.

                                                                                                      I went on to explain that we will gladly pay for advertising as long as we can convert it and make money with it. I told him we did the same with Wildline and spend $30k a year with those guys and we have been their FAVORITE client for the past 3 years already (Hi Johnny!)

                                                                                                      It really wasn't his day. I was READY to spend money. I was in a GOOD MOOD, ready to try out a new source of traffic, etc etc. Francis doesn't have the best reputation in the industry but then again so what we've all had shit thrown around at one time or another. If the numbers made sense, I was ready to rock. But nope. This poor guy just kept digging his hole ever deeper. He was the worst salesman I had ever talked to.
                                                                                                      Think I was contacted by the same rep lol. I offered the same deal, lets try this out on an affiliate basis for a week if it works out we'll buy. Of course there was no way they would do that
                                                                                                      Bryan
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