Those who shoot your own content, what do you pay female models for : solo
girl/girl
boy/girl
and is it by the hour or by the shoot.
girl/girl
boy/girl
and is it by the hour or by the shoot.
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hmm they usually pay me for the priviledge :-/
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jayson posted his prices a while ago - i suggest you do a search or something..Comment
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I heard the Russian photographers pay their models with lollipops and balloon animals. Can anyone verify this?PHAT SERVERS - Quality dedicated hosting at a quality price!
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Seriously, I've seen a thread like this a few times. You should use the 'search' function and try to find previous answers to this question.SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.Comment
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You guys are funny but why cant I get a straight answer. Is everyone buying content and doesnt want to say that lol.Comment
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$50 to $200 per hour is the usual range depending on what they have to do in the shoot.
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using the magical search function :Originally posted by tony404
You guys are funny but why cant I get a straight answer. Is everyone buying content and doesnt want to say that lol.
jayson:
"Okay here are some numbers. And these come from what I pay, and a number of producers I know in Adelaide, Perth, Sydney and QLD.
These are the base that I have seen paid - often it can be quite a bit more. These are for your basic amateurs as well.
Basic Nude - No Legs Spread - Fairly Discreet - A$50/hr
Nude - Legs Spread - A$100/hr
Insertions - A$150/hr
Now if you take that into US dollars, and look at some producers. Now I talk to quite a few and know what they pay so I wont list that here, but I know they are roughly the same. I have seen Unseenworld quote on this board he pays US$50/hr for everything - so thats about A$95/hr for nude, toys, girl/girl, compared to me paying between A$100 and A$200 an hour for the same stuff.
Personally, my rates are - Basic nude, between A$50-A$100 hour, Leg Spread shots at A$100-A$150 hour, Actual fingers spreading - A$100-A$175 hour, Finger Insertions, A$125-A$175 hour, Toys - A$150 to A$200 hour, Girl Girl - A$150-A$250 hour, Guy/Girl - A$200-A$300+ and hour.
And I know producers that will go above that - I have seen A$300 and hour in Aus simple spread shots.
So while there is always going to be variation, even between producers, as a general rule I would say we are on par with the US."
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They are My slaves...I don't pay them.Comment
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The fee depends on where you are and on a coolness of the model.
1. In the country with $200 average montly per capita income you can definitelly pay less than in the country with $2000. But I have to stress, that the difference is not that big usually, because photographers from richer countries tend to visit those more poor countries and thus affect affect the models fees.
2. Best models usually know they are best and want more for softcore stuff and much more for hardcore (if they are willing to to it at all). However there are always some slutty girls who are willing to do hardcore wery cheap. They just like it. But again, they are not that great usually.
The prices mentioned above look like average from what I know. And though personally I pay twice less, because I'm in Eastern Europe, I have essential expenses of different nature, that photographers in normal countries can't even imagine... So the end result is almost the same.Comment
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the mafia fees bite hard eh?Originally posted by Phoenix66
The prices mentioned above look like average from what I know. And though personally I pay twice less, because I'm in Eastern Europe, I have essential expenses of different nature, that photographers in normal countries can't even imagine... So the end result is almost the same.Comment
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That's what I heard too... $50 for college amateurs and $200 for stripper chicks... what they will do for that $ depends on the girl...Originally posted by KRL
$50 to $200 per hour is the usual range depending on what they have to do in the shoot.Comment
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I dont personally shoot my own content, but if it was me.. I would tell ugly girls a lower rate, and if they dont buy it, maybe bump it up a bit... but definately don't start too low if the girl is a hottie.
Probably doesnt help, because its not really an answer to your question, just an opinion.
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This whole per hour thing isn't how things work in the nude modelling biz. Girls are hired by the half day or full day.
Half day is a few hours, full day 5 hours maybe more if they are
cool chicks. You can't get a girl to show up for $200 for an hour and a half. Half day is minimum.
Total amateurs you recruit out of the newspaper are going to cost you $200-300 US. These girls are easier to deal with cuz they're not pro's yet. These girls are also in short supply. Most
are fugly though you do find gems sometimes.
Girls who have modelled before, probably have an agency representing them, make more. I have several on Wanton Girls that make well over $100 an hour. Plus there is an agency fee to be paid. This is for standard solo girl stills work, including finger/toy insertion.
Once you mention video to these semi-pro type girls, that's extra, in most cases a lot extra. They get paid $800 - $1500 a scene by video producers for video so when they are shooting for Net photographers who also want video they expect to be paid for that video work.
You can fuck around behind an agent's back, cuz these girls don't give a shit all they want is money - BUT it's a small little world in L.A. and if you screw agents you jeopardize your ability to have a fresh supply of models to work with. People tell me that i'm wrong and to forget the agents. Easy for them to say, they don't need 200 models a year.
That's why you will always see new models on Wanton Girls, we pay top dollar and play by all the rules. We have to - cuz we don't do any licensing we need a lot of exclusive custom clients which means we need lots of new models every month. I doubt there are many shooters who've shot as many models as we have.
Problem i'm having is that there just aren't enough super cute girls.
It's an expensive proposition. So when I tell you my prices on some great photography, you are getting a bargain.
If you went out and did this yourself, opened your own studio your costs would be about the same as you would pay me with NO headaches. Actually until you got it down pat, you'd wind up spending more shooting for yourself.I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!Comment
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$150 per shoot is what I pay. The shoot can be solo girl, girl/girl, girl/toy. It makes no difference: I don't pay any differentials. The more a girl does, the more work she is eligible to get. I don't do boy/girl. A shoot is a pretty well-organized affair and is usually over with in 2-2.5 hours and results in 300 photos.SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.Comment
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nope, JUST lollipops...Originally posted by Sly_RJ
I heard the Russian photographers pay their models with lollipops and balloon animals. Can anyone verify this?-=almost fucking incognito=-Comment
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This is always coming up and it's a silly question. Because what I pay in Czech has no relevance to what you will pay where you are.
Decide what you can afford and see if the girls are happy with that.Comment
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You work with pro models. Amateurs can be hired for 1 or 2 hours, but I have to admit that 1 hour doesn't make much sense. However 2 hours can be enough to make a good bunch of amateur photos. If the girl is not great, it may be all what's needed.Originally posted by Mutt
This whole per hour thing isn't how things work in the nude modelling biz. Girls are hired by the half day or full day.
Half day is a few hours, full day 5 hours maybe more if they are
cool chicks. You can't get a girl to show up for $200 for an hour and a half. Half day is minimum.
Indeed, I agree that the more time you spend on one model at once, the less can be resulting per a pic cost. But there is a limit - during intensivce shootings models get tired fairly short. Honestly I some times I can hardly survive more then 4 hours myself shooting them. And when it happens so that I need to make 3 big shooting at one day more then 6 hours long, to the end I feel like I was completelly squeezed and don't want even to look at the cam at least for a day after that.
Overall the process as you described it really looks like a common practice and I also definitelly agree that buying content from content provider can be much better from the point of price/quality or price/headache rato. I don't want to say that shooting content is so damn tough business, anybody can do it after some efforts if he's into it. But this can be said about almost any biz. If you are into it - do it, fighting over the difficulties, typical for this biz. But if you more like to do other things - pay to others so they do it instead of you....
Luckily the mafia equals to police in the city I am right now. But in other cities here you can be fleeced by both - the mafia and the policeOriginally posted by bhutocracy
the mafia fees bite hard eh?
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I guess being in a smaller less competitive market it's better for you Unseen.
I'm assuming all these girls you shoot are recruited by you. If we recruit a girl right off the street she gets $200-250 for the same shoot you describe that you pay $150 for.I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!Comment
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you're right Phoenix. There is a limitation on how much you can shoot in 2 or three hours. Girls are difficult and human. You can't bully them around and try to get as many pics as humanly possible in 3 hours, the work will suck and you will have a bad rep with models. So my photographer babies them.
And working with these 'pro' girls ain't easy. My photographer Brian has had to kick two of them out halfway through the shoot cuz they were stoned or just being totally uncooperative. And the uncooperative one was one I recruited on behalf of a client and made him shoot even though he told me she had a bad rep and he wanted to pass. Pretty girl though.
These girls aren't 'pro'. Getting fucked on video doesn't make somebody a professional model. They're only professional in the sense of the word that they have worked for pay before.I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!Comment
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My guess is, if you have to ask dont bother shootingOriginally posted by charly
This is always coming up and it's a silly question. Because what I pay in Czech has no relevance to what you will pay where you are.
Decide what you can afford and see if the girls are happy with that.
Do a budget plan....and you better have some backup money
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Charly, how do you FIND your models?Originally posted by charly
This is always coming up and it's a silly question. Because what I pay in Czech has no relevance to what you will pay where you are.
Decide what you can afford and see if the girls are happy with that.Last edited by pimplink; 11-08-2002, 08:10 AM.
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Holy hell. Can I be a model now? I'd like that kinda money.
Too bad I'm too shy to do any full nude stuff. (Gimme a catsuit though, I'll flaunt my stuff for you ;)
Nevermind, its not impressive stuff anyway and I'm camera shy :P and ugly, lets not forget that.
Gimme a work permit, CANADA!
(Before you ask, I'm immigrating from US to Canada, thus no workpermit)- BeccaComment
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Hmmmmmm.Originally posted by becca
(Gimme a catsuit though, I'll flaunt my stuff for you ;)
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Mutt,
You've good stuff there...
Your guy has good eye and I like how he plays with the lights.
Good stuff!
In regards to how much to pay, this is basic and easy capitalism - Demand vs. Supply.
Some ppl get away by paying $50/hr here in Miami, you have to offer no less than $100/hr for regular explicit nudes.
I m having a hard time finding girls to shoot a b/g 1/2 hr scene for $300!
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Sorry Dax, I don't model, and if I did, theres only one boy I'd do. (So I'm picky plus camera shy?)
But for half hour for 300, if it didn't go against my morals, damn. That would pay for a tablet AND a scanner.
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Morals??
What is that?Comment
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Definition: Morals
Something most people do not have a definition for.
Also, see "Married".
"Bound and determined to only have sex with one person".
End one definition of marriage.
In otherwords... self inflicted torture.
Not that I mind, I love my husband. Hes a GOOD man.
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Where did you read that... I have a whoooooole lot of ppl who should read this... cuz from what I have seen they have the whole marriage thing all out of whack....Originally posted by becca
Also, see "Married".
"Bound and determined to only have sex with one person".
End one definition of marriage.
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I read that from Becca's tome of complete and utter BULLSHIT!
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thanks Dax, i'll pass on the compliment.
those samples are about a year old, i think his photography has improved a bit since then.
i see you over on GarageGlamour, they banned me a few times. mutherfucker hypocrites. but i like that board, like to see the pix people post. a few really good shooters there.I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!Comment
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I put ads in the local papers here is CZ. We also get a lot of girls from other girls. Shot a virgin today, I have the photos so I have the proof, and she is going to bring her sister up tomorrow.Originally posted by pimplink
Charly, how do you FIND your models?
The way some of you speak it seems the model is in charge. I always give the girl the impresion that if she does anything to upset me she is out of the studio. But if she is willing to work hard I will do my utmost to make it fun. This applies to now and when I was in London.
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Thats one thing that would keep me out of a studio too.. I'm shy enough about cameras that if I got yelled at or something for not doing anything/something not right, I'd just break down and cry. LOL
That wouldn't make for a very good porn shoot, eh?
Actually, I confess.. I would LOVE to try full clothed modelling just ONCE... but I don't think I'm pretty enough, or tall enough to get away with it. Just for the experience. Maybe a pro photographer could have some luck with me. LOL (I really want a good picture of me and they just don't exist?)- BeccaComment
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Not paying can give a model a lever to invalidate her release. Or is "sign a release? your next retort?Originally posted by psyko514
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Originally posted by becca
Thats one thing that would keep me out of a studio too.. I'm shy enough about cameras that if I got yelled at or something for not doing anything/something not right, I'd just break down and cry. LOL
Anybody who YELLS at a model doesn't belong in the nude photo biz. After all, you are bigger than her, she is there with her clothes off...in other words, it's just not very cool or gentlemanly to yell at a model. If I were present when another photographer did that, I'd yell at HIM.
ONCE, I had a very dense model who just didn't get it as I directed her, and my frustration came through in my voice, and even just that made her pose all the worse. You need to be able to do some acting behind the camera, just as the model does in front of it.SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.Comment
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I really wouldn't know, I don't have any experience, but thanks for the insight, it is appreciated. A bit of food for thought.- BeccaComment
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Hahahaha..Originally posted by Mutt
i see you over on GarageGlamour, they banned me a few times. mutherfucker hypocrites. but i like that board, like to see the pix people post. a few really good shooters there.
That fucking board... is like Rolando's playhouse... Can't wait to meet Rolly.... I do go there though.. to fuck with ppl's heads and to say what none of the 'no balls having' mofo's would say...
A couple of my friends go there too.. so is fun to go there and make fun of ppl
IMO there are very very few good shooters there... most are just ass kissers!
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