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XBIZ Exclusive News: AHF to File Cal-OSHA Complaints Against 16 Adult Studios

08-19-2009, 09:00 PM

LOS ANGELES ? The AIDS Healthcare Foundation intends to file formal complaints against 16 adult entertainment companies tomorrow with the California Division of Occupational Safety and Health (Cal-OSHA) in order to push for mandatory condom legislation.

The production companies to be named in the complaints are Anarchy Films, Backend Productions, Blue Pictures, Critical X, Hustler Video (an unnamed DVD title from LFP-distributed X-Play is cited), Heatwave Entertainment, Immoral Productions, Latin Media, Legend, Mayhem, Maverick Entertainment, Raw Flesh, Sin City, Top Dog/Magnus Productions, Vivid Entertainment and Club Jenna.

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08-19-2009, 09:04 PM

I never understood how people can fuck random people without condom. I'm in !

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08-19-2009, 09:04 PM

Wow... this is going to really hurt some companies. The last company that got hit with a Cal-OSHA fine has now moved out of California and is shooting in another state.

This is not going to be easy for these companies to deal with either. Cal-OSHA and the Department of Industrial Relations is like the IRS, guilty until proven innocent.

I dont know if Cal-OSHA has the funds or the manpower to really investigate all these complaints though. California basically being bankrupt may be a saving grace for some.

And here's the kicker...

AHF has joined forces with former porn performer Shelly Lubben’s Pink Cross Foundation to hold a press conference tomorrow at the Universal Sheraton in Universal City to detail the complaints it plans to deliver in person after the presser.

Lubben always seems to be behind these measures.

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08-19-2009, 09:29 PM

Our company is on the list of 16. I will be at the press conference.

I will make a full statement on this after I attend.

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08-19-2009, 09:35 PM

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Our company is on the list of 16. I will be at the press conference.

I will make a full statement on this after I attend.

The article doesnt say what time the press conference is...

Dan - What time are you heading over ?

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08-19-2009, 09:38 PM

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The article doesnt say what time the press conference is...

Dan - What time are you heading over ?

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08-20-2009, 12:00 AM

Next thing you know a swasticka will be flying from the white house flag pole.

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08-20-2009, 12:02 AM

ouch this ones gonna hurt...

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08-20-2009, 12:06 AM

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Our company is on the list of 16. I will be at the press conference.

I will make a full statement on this after I attend.

God damn I normally don't do this, but Porno Dan ooozes total douchey-ness. I'm sure everyone is awaiting your "statement". I'm also sure no one wonders what maybe Flynt has to say about it, or maybe even Steve Hirsch. Those silly pics you post with the cheesy 70's background for that "fan" fucking site should be proof enough of your douche-level. Enjoy cooking those cum omelet's

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08-20-2009, 01:28 AM

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ouch this ones gonna hurt...

I think you are right

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08-20-2009, 04:16 AM

Mmmm..wait for analysis....

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08-20-2009, 04:37 AM

Oh wow...Definitely not cool. Wonder what will happen from here

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08-20-2009, 04:46 AM

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I never understood how people can fuck random people without condom. I'm in !

It is not my thing either, but fact is thousands of people do it randomly every day and night. If they want to film it and get paid, it is their business.

California can't stop it or control it. All they can do is what they always do, fine people or run them off.

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08-20-2009, 05:29 AM

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Oh wow...Definitely not cool. Wonder what will happen from here

I foresee a mini porn boom in Az and Nv...

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08-20-2009, 06:10 AM

LMAO get all these porn stars to move to canadia, we'll shoot them ;-)

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08-20-2009, 03:21 PM

I went this morning and it was really an AIDS prevention rally. There were about 20-30 people there from AHF and about a dozen reporters from local radio and TV stations.

Only a couple of people were there from the industry. Mark Kernes from AVN and Todd Hunter was there from XBIZ.

For the most part, I dont think AHF really thought this one through. Their house counsel got up and made factually inaccurate legal statements and they dont see how a bloodborne pathogen law can be equally applied to other industries.

I asked the question to Weinstein, CEO of AHF, whether he had thought of the ramifications of making the sharing of bodily fluids completely regulated by Cal-OSHA and he didnt have an answer until I reminded him that there is often bodily fluids exchanged in boxing, MMA, the NFL, NBA and MLB. He went on to state that sweat cannot carry disease -- I reminded one of his attorneys about MRSA, which he even admitted that they had not thought of.

Overall this is a witch hunt against the industry by a group of narrow minded individuals who really havent thought this out. Risk is a part of many professions, you cannot enforce laws against one industry and then say it doesnt apply to another. Too slippery of a slope to go down.

Hopefully Cal-OSHA can see this and will let the complaints die on the vine.

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08-20-2009, 03:31 PM

i'm the first to switch to condom shoots only when everyone else everywhere on this planet does it too. and herein lies the problem...

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08-20-2009, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by pornlaw

I went this morning and it was really an AIDS prevention rally. There were about 20-30 people there from AHF and about a dozen reporters from local radio and TV stations.

Only a couple of people were there from the industry. Mark Kernes from AVN and Todd Hunter was there from XBIZ.

For the most part, I dont think AHF really thought this one through. Their house counsel got up and made factually inaccurate legal statements and they dont see how a bloodborne pathogen law can be equally applied to other industries.

I asked the question to Weinstein, CEO of AHF, whether he had thought of the ramifications of making the sharing of bodily fluids completely regulated by Cal-OSHA and he didnt have an answer until I reminded him that there is often bodily fluids exchanged in boxing, MMA, the NFL, NBA and MLB. He went on to state that sweat cannot carry disease -- I reminded one of his attorneys about MRSA, which he even admitted that they had not thought of.

Overall this is a witch hunt against the industry by a group of narrow minded individuals who really havent thought this out. Risk is a part of many professions, you cannot enforce laws against one industry and then say it doesnt apply to another. Too slippery of a slope to go down.

Hopefully Cal-OSHA can see this and will let the complaints die on the vine.

Saw it on the news and came to the same conclusion. If they are gonna tax people more or take money way from education to fight porn, people are gonna be pretty pissed off. What the news showed was a big lazy toothless lion meowing because they are not getting their way.

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08-20-2009, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by MaDalton

i'm the first to switch to condom shoots only when everyone else everywhere on this planet does it too. and herein lies the problem...

Good luck on retention and dvd sales.... as if its not bad enough. Ive reserved my spot on fries at Burger King just in case.

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08-20-2009, 05:52 PM

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Saw it on the news and came to the same conclusion. If they are gonna tax people more or take money way from education to fight porn, people are gonna be pretty pissed off. What the news showed was a big lazy toothless lion meowing because they are not getting their way.

Believe me when i tell you this. Porno Dan, the "character" seems like an immature ignorant ass. But Dan Liel the business man, when you get him away from the party is definitely one of the smartest persons you will meet in this business. He has many great accomplishments in the business of adult that would surprise %98 of you. He has a very good handle on what sells and doesn't sell.

I know its a hard one to swallow, but this guy is articulate when he is speaking seriously, well educated and very knowledgeable about a lot when it comes to business and the details needed to run an adult company. Dan Leil does such a good job of being Porno Dan that people think im an idiot when i speak up for him.

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08-20-2009, 05:54 PM

dont know how exclusive it is, it was on the news before it was on xbiz

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08-20-2009, 06:30 PM

I am glad that I went to this press conference.

I was interviewed by Channel 7 (the local ABC station) and two local radio stations, after the Mr. Weinstein (the main speaker) dismissed, and didn't want to listen to, what I had to say.

My main points are

Why single out 16 companies in California?

If they are truly concerned with the welfare of performer's work on a unilateral Nationwide policy.

If they were to pass a law only in California, the already fragmented adult industry would scatter, go underground, and/or move overseas.

Mr. Weinstein was surprised when I talked to him one and one after the press conferene, and told him that there is production in every single major, metro, area in the country.

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08-20-2009, 08:03 PM

Dan -- nice job today and I saw the interview on ABC -- well done. My hat is off to you. It took guts to stand up in a room where you are hated and say what you said.

I give him credit to show up and defend his company .... no one else did, not Hirsch not Flynt not anyone from the industry that had a complaint filed against them... truly quite sad.

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08-21-2009, 05:04 AM

Originally posted by amacontent

Good luck on retention and dvd sales.... as if its not bad enough. Ive reserved my spot on fries at Burger King just in case.

we shoot with condom occasionally - for example when there's a really hot girl who insists on it. no big deal imo as long as there is still a visible cumshot on the body.

but of course it would only work for everyone (consumer & producer) if there are no exemptions

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08-21-2009, 06:11 AM

Hi, Question for all....

Why NOT use a condom in every scene?

It's safer for everyone (tests can be wrong). Besides AIDS, you're protected from getting a bunch of other cooties too. If I were a performer I would much rather work for a studio that enforces condom use and that works only with models who always use condoms.

If I were a studio owner I would be want to reduce my liability. Can't a model sue a studio if he or she contracts aids from someone he or she shot with at your studio?. Wouldn't a studio's insurance rates go down if condom use was mandatory?

Are condoms not used mostly because it affects sales? Do porn buyers prefer bareback only? (Is there market research that shows this?)

What if the adult industry in California simply decided to self regulate and require condom use on set before being legally forced into it?

I suppose that some might say that in porn, seeing a condom may take away from the fantasy. For me, "safe" is pretty damn sexy.
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08-21-2009, 07:26 AM

Here's the lastest from Cal-OSHA...

The agency swiftly vowed to investigate the complaints.

"We take it seriously, and it will be addressed," Cal-OSHA spokesman Dean Fryer said of the situation.

"They have a valid point here," Fyer said of the filings. "The blood-borne pathogens standard is designed to protect workers where there is risk of transmission of diseases through bodily excretions that occur as part of adult film activity."

If they do move to enforce this law, the industry in California will be hard hit with fines and mandatory condoms.

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08-21-2009, 08:02 AM

Originally posted by hypedough

God damn I normally don't do this, but Porno Dan ooozes total douchey-ness. I'm sure everyone is awaiting your "statement". I'm also sure no one wonders what maybe Flynt has to say about it, or maybe even Steve Hirsch. Those silly pics you post with the cheesy 70's background for that "fan" fucking site should be proof enough of your douche-level. Enjoy cooking those cum omelet's

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08-21-2009, 08:11 AM

Originally posted by Porno Dan

My main points are

Why single out 16 companies in California?

If they are truly concerned with the welfare of performer's work on a unilateral Nationwide policy.

way to stand up for everyone and the industry
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08-21-2009, 08:15 AM

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I went this morning and... Only a couple of people were there from the industry.

Porn Law, you can stop right there. THAT is exactly what's fucking wrong with our industry. NOBODY CARES. Nobody can make it to anything unless booze and/or naked chicks in involved. It's pretty pathetic really.

You all wonder why the powers that be always pick on adult? It's because you make it soooo fucking easy for them. You can't band together for anything, this is why in the end, most of you will be flipping burgers somewhere.

I hope they do push condom mandatory use in California. It will weed some of you fuckers out, while those WILLING and DRIVEN enough to succeed will move to where ever they need to move in order to survive.
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08-21-2009, 08:16 AM

Originally posted by Porno Dan

I am glad that I went to this press conference.

Kudos to you Dan.
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08-21-2009, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Porn Law, you can stop right there. THAT is exactly what's fucking wrong with our industry. NOBODY CARES. Nobody can make it to anything unless booze and/or naked chicks in involved. It's pretty pathetic really.

Unfortunately I would have to agree. And its just not the DVD guys.

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08-21-2009, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

You all wonder why the powers that be always pick on adult? It's because you make it soooo fucking easy for them. You can't band together for anything,

Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Kudos to you Dan.

umm, dan pretty much hung the industry out to dry with his comment, it's clear his perspective is that he's being picked on, the government should go after the entire u.s. industry.
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08-21-2009, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by dyna mo

umm, dan pretty much hung the industry out to dry with his comment, it's clear his perspective is that he's being picked on, the government should go after the entire u.s. industry.

I believe it was a "kudos" for showing up when nobody else in the industry did.

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08-21-2009, 01:59 PM

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I believe it was a "kudos" for showing up when nobody else in the industry did.

i understand that.

the kudos makes no sense for showing up and whining that the rest of the industry didn't get picked on.

i believe that's why i included both comments.
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08-22-2009, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by dyna mo

i understand that.

the kudos makes no sense for showing up and whining that the rest of the industry didn't get picked on.

i believe that's why i included both comments.

If they are really looking out for the best interest of performers and have a mandatory condom policy it should be Nationwide.

If it they have they try and enforce a condoms only policy in the State of California, production companies will pack up and move.

The situation will become much worse than it is today, as we will be faced a very fragmented, underground, production envirnoment, with no regulation.

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08-22-2009, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by dyna mo

i understand that.

the kudos makes no sense for showing up and whining that the rest of the industry didn't get picked on.

i believe that's why i included both comments.

I didn't hear the speech. Just noted that he went.

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08-22-2009, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by Porno Dan

The situation will become much worse than it is today, as we will be faced a very fragmented, underground, production environment, with no regulation.

Then the industry would come full circle, right before falling in on itself. That would almost be poetic.

Long before you were Porno Dan, long before the internet, and long before the pansy ass people in this industry lots their balls, this is how adult operated.

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08-22-2009, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by amacontent

Next thing you know a swasticka will be flying from the white house flag pole.

Just a reminder, Joe, the Govt had nothing to do with this. It's an activist group with a hair up their ass about porn.

Originally posted by dyna mo

umm, dan pretty much hung the industry out to dry with his comment, it's clear his perspective is that he's being picked on, the government should go after the entire u.s. industry.

I do have to give Dan credit for attending, but yeah, why put wider ideas into people's heads? Wouldn't surprise me if they're next press release quotes him out of context as "porn producer thinks our proposal should go nationwide!!!" For that matter, some other morality or religious group could co-opt it, that kind of stuff is gold to them.

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