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08-19-2009, 04:36 AM

With all the piracy and non-moderated/self-regulated explicit websites, I think mandatory .xxx will happen soon. Because why the hell should politicians legitimate adult business anyway? They just want excuses for .xxx, and those who "enjoy" it so much for free today, including freedoms and privacy, are in fact the ones destroying it.

I predict it will happen within 2-3 years. Business or not, ALL websites with explicit content will be forced into .xxx. Or shut down...

That might be a good thing for some few. But not for all.
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08-19-2009, 04:47 AM

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08-19-2009, 05:03 AM

I disagree with the .xxx and I hope that it never becomes mandatory but hey....gotta adapt to changes in this business if you want to stay around. No worries here.

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08-19-2009, 05:05 AM

Originally posted by rayadp05

I disagree with the .xxx and I hope that it never becomes mandatory but hey....gotta adapt to changes in this business if you want to stay around. No worries here.

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08-19-2009, 05:08 AM

And they are going to make Foreign webmasters stick to this HOW?

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08-19-2009, 05:08 AM

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08-19-2009, 05:11 AM

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And they are going to make Foreign webmasters stick to this HOW?

.xxx would be on ICANN level. So there will be no such thing as "foreign".
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08-19-2009, 05:16 AM

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.xxx would be on ICANN level. So there will be no such thing as "foreign".

It would never happen. .xxx will become a reality but just another tld among many more like .sex, .fetish, etc.

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08-19-2009, 05:18 AM

I don't think this is possible on a global scale, there will always be countries that are not adapting...

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08-19-2009, 05:22 AM

No it wont, and you dont understand ICANN's role if you think they have a mandate to enforce content-specific TLD's

to quote themself

ICANN would be forced to assume an ongoing management and oversight role regarding Internet content, which is inconsistent with its technical mandate

ICANN's ONLY role, is to be the admin to the TLD's, it have absolutely ZERO mandate, when it comes to the content on the sites, as long as they follow the local laws.
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08-19-2009, 05:22 AM

Originally posted by rayadp05

I disagree with the .xxx and I hope that it never becomes mandatory but hey....gotta adapt to changes in this business if you want to stay around. No worries here.

This is not about staying around or adaption. This is about politics and the easy access to porn. If we can't even self-regulate, and end enforced into ideas like 2257, how do you think the growing "free" culture is going to survive? It is a culture of non-censorship, not only involving free porn protected from children, but also children (defined as underage in laws) not protected from abuse. .xxx is bad for administrative and privacy reasons, yes, but the only way to control who is doing what.
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08-19-2009, 05:23 AM

Originally posted by BlackCrayon

It would never happen. .xxx will become a reality but just another tld among many more like .sex, .fetish, etc.

Not if it become mandatory. It is the idea behind it I am talking about - not the domain extension. Everyone who wants to run sites with explicite content will have to identify themselves ...and validated.

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08-19-2009, 05:25 AM

Originally posted by Dirty Dane

Not if it become mandatory. It is the idea behind it I am talking about - not the domain extension. Everyone who wants to run sites with explicite content will have to identify themselves.

and you are basing this on what??

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08-19-2009, 05:27 AM

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No it wont, and you dont understand ICANN's role if you think they have a mandate to enforce content-specific TLD's

to quote themself

ICANN's ONLY role, is to be the admin to the TLD's, it have absolutely ZERO mandate, when it comes to the content on the sites, as long as they follow the local laws.

Well, thats only an administrative problem. I'm sure some organization would be created to administrate and police it.
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08-19-2009, 05:29 AM

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08-19-2009, 05:29 AM

Originally posted by KrisH

No it wont, and you dont understand ICANN's role if you think they have a mandate to enforce content-specific TLD's

to quote themself

ICANN's ONLY role, is to be the admin to the TLD's, it have absolutely ZERO mandate, when it comes to the content on the sites, as long as they follow the local laws.

right, and ICANN will shut down and give the money back to directnic or godaddy who will give it back to a swedish webmaster who uploaded a site to his domain which is paid for 10 years in advance? Highly unlikely...
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08-19-2009, 05:29 AM

Originally posted by BlackCrayon

and you are basing this on what??

The idea has already been around for a long time. But not a reality. I think it will happen, because of the reasons mentioned above.
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08-19-2009, 05:32 AM

Originally posted by Kolargol

right, and ICANN will shut down and give the money back to directnic or godaddy who will give it back to a swedish webmaster who uploaded a site to his domain which is paid for 10 years in advance? Highly unlikely...

Well, you pay some few cents for your domain. But you do not pay in advance for what you can put on it. Just like laws changes all the time; you can't pay in advance for excemption
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08-19-2009, 05:35 AM

Originally posted by Dirty Dane

Well, you pay some few cents for your domain. But you do not pay in advance for what you can put on it. Just like laws changes all the time; you can't pay in advance for excemption

Well I can see the US trying to pass such laws but like others have said ICANN plays no role in regulating the content on tlds.

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08-19-2009, 05:36 AM

Originally posted by Dirty Dane

Well, thats only an administrative problem. I'm sure some organization would be created to administrate and police it.

You clearly lack the fundamental understanding of the leagal mandate needed to enforce a global censurship like that. It's like you dont even understand what ICANN do, when you make up a complete noncence claim like this

ICANN doesn’t control content on the Internet. It cannot stop spam and it doesn’t deal with access to the Internet (as they formulate it themself)

Their only goal and mandate is to "ensure universal resolvability”

That means they make sure the rootservers are running, and only qualified people are in control of domain/ip-administration

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08-19-2009, 05:37 AM

Originally posted by Kolargol

right, and ICANN will shut down and give the money back to directnic or godaddy who will give it back to a swedish webmaster who uploaded a site to his domain which is paid for 10 years in advance? Highly unlikely...

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08-19-2009, 05:41 AM

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08-19-2009, 05:42 AM

Originally posted by KrisH

You clearly lack the fundamental understanding of the leagal mandate needed to enforce a global censurship like that. It's like you dont even understand what ICANN do, when you make up a complete noncence claim like this

ICANN doesn?t control content on the Internet. It cannot stop spam and it doesn?t deal with access to the Internet (as they formulate it themself)

Their only goal and mandate is to "ensure universal resolvability?

That means they make sure the rootservers are running, and only qualified people are in control of domain-administration

I have not talked about their role, but the level. One thing is the voluntary .xxx which has been discussed already, but another thing is the introduction of mandatory .xxx, which of course also would introduce a hole new organization for administration and police.
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08-19-2009, 05:44 AM

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2257 is not so alien, is it?
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08-19-2009, 06:43 AM

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08-19-2009, 06:59 AM

you seem to have no idea what ICAAN is or what they do
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08-19-2009, 08:15 AM

Wow what a shocker that you once again have no idea what you're talking about.

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08-19-2009, 08:28 AM

Originally posted by Pleasurepays

you seem to have no idea what ICAAN is or what they do

Originally posted by WarChild

Wow what a shocker that you once again have no idea what you're talking about.

I do know, but I think you do not have an idea what I am talking about. Not ICANN's role, but level. If you haven't read the earlier proposals, then check them out...
I think it will be mandatory. Some countries are already restricting who can register and run a country code top-level domain, and I think the same will happen on top-level world wide with adult related websites. ICANN, as we know it today, will not be the one administrating and police it.
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08-19-2009, 08:40 AM

How could it be enforced? Even if they could enforce it, you could just have a redirect .com domain like tinyurl.com

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08-19-2009, 08:44 AM

It won't happen...

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08-19-2009, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by ProG

How could it be enforced? Even if they could enforce it, you could just have a redirect .com domain like tinyurl.com

Yes, anything illegal can be redirected. But it will be illegal
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08-19-2009, 09:02 AM

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08-19-2009, 09:12 AM

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08-19-2009, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by Dirty Dane

I do know, but I think you do not have an idea what I am talking about. Not ICANN's role, but level. If you haven't read the earlier proposals, then check them out...
I think it will be mandatory. Some countries are already restricting who can register and run a country code top-level domain, and I think the same will happen on top-level world wide with adult related websites. ICANN, as we know it today, will not be the one administrating and police it.

look man. this just needs to be said. you're a dumb human being. i read your posts and i openly admit that they make me dumber. i really try not to read things you post.

i'm not a domainer but you're talking about some very basic, easy to understand shit.

"countries" don't do or control anything. the owner of the tld does.. which may or may not be an organization with a government affiliation. Verisign owns .com/.net and they aren't a country or government run. .aero is not owned by a country. etc etc etc etc.

.xxx is just a proposed tld. ICAAN can only approve it or deny it. they can't create it and determine/control it's use.. or legislate/demand a tld be used a certain way... its use, registration/ownership process etc is determined by the owner of the tld... much less have any authority to enforce such an idea world wide.

stop blowing the already embarrassingly low IQ curve of this board. your fucking it up for some dumb - but quite likable people that only tolerated because they are likable.

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08-19-2009, 11:22 AM

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It won't happen...

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08-19-2009, 11:25 AM

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08-19-2009, 11:26 AM

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08-19-2009, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by Pleasurepays

look man. this just needs to be said. you're a dumb human being. i read your posts and i openly admit that they make me dumber. i really try not to read things you post.

i'm not a domainer but you're talking about some very basic, easy to understand shit.

"countries" don't do or control anything. the owner of the tld does.. which may or may not be an organization with a government affiliation. Verisign owns .com/.net and they aren't a country or government run. .aero is not owned by a country. etc etc etc etc.

.xxx is just a proposed tld. ICAAN can only approve it or deny it. they can't create it and determine/control it's use.. or legislate/demand a tld be used a certain way... its use, registration/ownership process etc is determined by the owner of the tld... much less have any authority to enforce such an idea world wide.

stop blowing the already embarrassingly low IQ curve of this board. your fucking it up for some dumb - but quite likable people that only tolerated because they are likable.

Before you talk about dumbness, at least improve your reading skills, your knowledge, and learn to spell ICANN. Don't blame me, for making you dumber...

I talk about levels - NOT role of ICANN. Administration and police of such mandatory domain will require a new organization... OR a change of existing organizations. Shall I repeat it again??

And YES, some countries DO control or restrict the access or use of country code domain levels. For instance in Denmark, you can not register a .dk domain with anonymous whois. In Norway, you can not register .no without having a registered company or organization.
These are just few examples, and with a top-level organization, the same idea CAN be introduced worldwide.

I do not hope it happens, but I think it will.

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08-19-2009, 11:45 AM

lulz. i can see it now. government lookin' dudes with "ICANN" on their jacket backs kicking down doors and snatching laptops

......no, dude. no.

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08-19-2009, 12:05 PM

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lulz. i can see it now. government lookin' dudes with "ICANN" on their jacket backs kicking down doors and snatching laptops

......no, dude. no.

No, that is likely not going to happen. Some of the original idea of the voluntary .xxx was identification and validation of each customer. In a situation with mandatory .xxx, the registrars would be forced to set terms of usage... and some top-level organization would have to administrate the shut down of violations. If such role is extended to ICANN or another organization is not the point - it is the idea, a political one, that is the point.
Regarding piracy, that is already heavy discussed by top politicians. Across nations.. And there are censorship already, because of piracy. Pirate sites will face something similar even sooner, and next to come is the huge flow of porn which is not self-regulated good enough. If you don't think it will happen? That's fine. But don't be surprised.
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08-19-2009, 12:36 PM

Wild speculation with no facts. Fear is easy to spread.

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08-19-2009, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by Titan

Wild speculation with no facts. Fear is easy to spread.

It is speculation, yes. But not so wild, and there are facts and motivations, which can be observed, that make me think it will happen.

First of all, the voluntary model has been considered twice. So it is not a new idea. There were resistant and good counter arguments back then, but situation has changed, and still changing.

Second, for the reasons mentioned above. Simply, politicians taking advantage of the situation. History repeats itself.. so don't be naive on that motivation.

Third, we can observe the directions on all "bad" aspects of internet. The first, and most obvious, is the fight against terrorism. Then economic crime, for instance money laundering, where implementation of new regulations and directives has been introduced from highest political level. Now the growing piracy, where individual nations are introducing one thing after another, but without results. Sooner or later, a worldwide decision will be as simple as "let's cut the crap".
Then porn.. even with regulations targeted against the "legit" part of the adult business, some of it, but more the "free version" has become a bigger problem - and growing. In our eyes, porn itself is not a problem, but when piracy and other unethical practice become the standard, then settlements - the "legit" business vs. politics, have a problem. Think about this: What is the point, to regulate and settle with a business, if you have free pirated and shady websites ranking on top all over Alexa? Not only is it easy access and instantly everything you find inside the paysites areas, but also without no self-regulation or ethics at all. That IS a problem, and even webmasters on this board, who did not like the 2257, are now endorsing it for the same reason - so would it be surprising that majority outside the business, make some decisions similar to the upcoming "let's-cut-the-crap"?

I do not like it, call it fear or whatever, but I think it is inevitable. A growing problem, which you can't stop or limit, have always led to more extreme decisions. And as I said; there are forces, just letting it happen - because they can gain from it. History and nature repeat itself..
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08-19-2009, 08:43 PM

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08-19-2009, 08:52 PM

I doubt it, since were going on 20 years of adult content on the internet. To start now and make new rules it will never work. The domain registers will lose too much money if the other domains cannot be used for adult...people will just drop domains if they become useless.

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08-19-2009, 08:53 PM

This is a pretty fucking idiotic post, why don't you go read about pending forced biometric identities or better yet go sterilize yourself/family somehow or another, because you sir are a moron!

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08-19-2009, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by HandballJim

I doubt it, since were going on 20 years of adult content on the internet. To start now and make new rules it will never work. The domain registers will lose too much money if the other domains cannot be used for adult...people will just drop domains if they become useless.

Yes, there are lots of arguments against it. One of the main things earlier, was the potential fight about the names. But these issues are minor problems, compared to the political mandatory idea. It is not a question about money, but control and identification. ".xxx", literally speaking, is just an extension, but the idea could also work with all existing domains. That would require an international database, which is not a problem technically. A pool into extension or database.. no difference really, as long it is same process and compliance requirements.
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08-19-2009, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by Dirty Dane

No, that is likely not going to happen. Some of the original idea of the voluntary .xxx was identification and validation of each customer. In a situation with mandatory .xxx, the registrars would be forced to set terms of usage... and some top-level organization would have to administrate the shut down of violations. If such role is extended to ICANN or another organization is not the point - it is the idea, a political one, that is the point.
Regarding piracy, that is already heavy discussed by top politicians. Across nations.. And there are censorship already, because of piracy. Pirate sites will face something similar even sooner, and next to come is the huge flow of porn which is not self-regulated good enough. If you don't think it will happen? That's fine. But don't be surprised.
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