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+1Brad you probably have one of the most transparent businesses in an industry that has few if any. Just the fact that you are open and honest in what you are doing speaks volumes.
We as business people must understand that there is no such thing as a perfect business model and certainly not one that will work for everyone. The fact that you are up front about the whole situation to me is above and beyond what is necessary but I would expect nothing less from you.
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Spam me with ad prices on all illegal tube sites. I fucking SURRENDER! If you are my biggest affiliate, you can bitch about it.
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Brad.... i'm sure you will do no evil. Well... not as much evil anyways
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Mojo keeps surprising me with their support and help, even after all this time. 11 dedicated mojo servers and we need more soon !
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you just realize that you have killed revenue stream you are counting on saving you with this statement.
The fact is big tube sites are pushing the limits of fair use, they are the ones that are extending those rights. They are counting on your to respect the process so that those rights can be properly established.
Claiming that "All of the decisions I made were with our content producing customers in mind." put you into the catagory of host that will usurp that process.
Why would any "fair use" tube site risk their entire business opperation to host with a company who declares he is against them from the very begining.
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While i don't think hosts on GFY are great, you do have integrity. You didn't even have to make a statement like that, so props for honesty.agentGFY *at* gmail.comComment
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Props to you Brad for making the public statement... I have no doubt that when confronted with DMCA notices that werent handled by the site owners themselves, that you will no doubt step in and take appropriate action.
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cliffnotes ?
you now allow customers using unlicensed content ?hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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Im super bummed to hear about this. I do appreciate you posting, and I knew that one day the pressure would surpass your stance but doesnt make it any easier to hear.
I just hope that you pass on the lower bandwith costs down to the non full length tube customers.
If these full length tube guys are gonna hurt our bottom dollar, then if you support it the decent thing to do is atleast make it cheaper to run OUR businesses.Comment
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Yes....he does. He does this because his competition does it. And he's afraid that if he doesn't do it, they'll get all the tube money and their businesses will grow and his won't. I guess he's finding it difficult to compete in the marketplace if he runs an honest operation over there. Sad
It would be like me waking up one morning and deciding that I'm going to figure out a way to rip off a bunch of programs just to fill my pockets with more money. And then coming on GFY and letting everyone know that I need to stay competitive with all the scammers in our industry so I'm willing to do business with scammers & thieves if that means more money for me. Yea, you really gotta pat the guy on the back for being so honest and letting everyone know that he's just fine with doing business with content thieves.....and taking care of their DMCA notices....on a regular basis.
As far as I know...there are only two kinds of tube sites. Legal ones and illegal ones. And Brad says that he's happy to do business with "all kinds". Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out now does it?
Brad, it's always nice to see someone's business grow & expand beyond their wildest dreams. But it's sad to see them stooping to the level of doing business with content thieves just to get the overhead paid. It would be nice if you could make money the old fashioned "honest" 'way and stay away from sites that steal from producers like myself. But if you need the money that bad to keep your business afloat, well...good luck.
Of course you're not the only company out there who sleeps with illegal tube sites. There are other hosting companies as well as billing companies who are happy to take money from illegal tube sites. The difference is that none of them are on GFY bragging that they'll be happy to do business with this kind of scum. You apparently are happy to do it and think that we should commend you for your honesty. All I can say is *wow* : (Comment
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As long as a tube site follows DMCA and takes down videos when a DMCA is recieved it's not "illegal". Like the law or not that's the fucking law. I don't like tube sites that have unlincesed content on them any more than you do , but to say they are "illegal" is simply wrong.Yes....he does. He does this because his competition does it. And he's afraid that if he doesn't do it, they'll get all the tube money and their businesses will grow and his won't. I guess he's finding it difficult to compete in the marketplace if he runs an honest operation over there. Sad
It would be like me waking up one morning and deciding that I'm going to figure out a way to rip off a bunch of programs just to fill my pockets with more money. And then coming on GFY and letting everyone know that I need to stay competitive with all the scammers in our industry so I'm willing to do business with scammers & thieves if that means more money for me. Yea, you really gotta pat the guy on the back for being so honest and letting everyone know that he's just fine with doing business with content thieves.....and taking care of their DMCA notices....on a regular basis.
As far as I know...there are only two kinds of tube sites. Legal ones and illegal ones. And Brad says that he's happy to do business with "all kinds". Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out now does it?
Brad, it's always nice to see someone's business grow & expand beyond their wildest dreams. But it's sad to see them stooping to the level of doing business with content thieves just to get the overhead paid. It would be nice if you could make money the old fashioned "honest" 'way and stay away from sites that steal from producers like myself. But if you need the money that bad to keep your business afloat, well...good luck.
Of course you're not the only company out there who sleeps with illegal tube sites. There are other hosting companies as well as billing companies who are happy to take money from illegal tube sites. The difference is that none of them are on GFY bragging that they'll be happy to do business with this kind of scum. You apparently are happy to do it and think that we should commend you for your honesty. All I can say is *wow* : (
On another note, content producers and content brokers are the ones that are getting hurt the most in this economy. It's easy to blame it on tube sites but lets get real. 5 years ago they blamed it on MGPs. Most producers and content guys still have 1995 prices on thier content. One content guy recently posted a sale 50% off his content. $100 for a 20 minute video with 50% off that's $50. What a fucking joke. Videos are simply not worth that any more. If you want a scapegoat for the devalue of your content grab a sledge hammer, go to Best Buy and smash all those hi def camcorders that take video almost as good as a profesional camera does yet only cost $599. Anyone can make great videos today. It's real simple, there is so much good video out there that what you sold for $1000 5 years ago is only worth $25 today. Supply and demand.
Very few content guys have evolved or moved out of 1995. One exception I have noticed is Joe from Amacontent. I think the guy is a dick, but i admire him because instead of bitching and whining I see him busting his ass doing new things and trying to survive.
The fact that we are able to charge people to watch sex is amazing and not our god given right. Mainstream has used sex to sell other products since the alphabet was first invented. Many people are evolving and using porn to sell other products, there will always be a demand for new porn but not at the high prices content guys enjoyed 10 years ago.ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466
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Sorry officer...yes I did knock over that 7/11 and stole all the money in the till. But I will put it back now that you caught me. No worries? Its not illegal if you put it back is it?As long as a tube site follows DMCA and takes down videos when a DMCA is recieved it's not "illegal".Comment
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hahaha true!
If it's not illegal, it's certainly immoral. As if stealing the content wasn't bad enough, now there's the hosting company who thinks it's ok to do it and he's happy to juggle the DMCA paperwork when it comes in
Are there any hosting companies out there that want to send me a hundred thousand dollars so I can produce a bunch of hardcore movies and then hand them over to the tubes to use on their sites for free? Awwww come'n guys. Nobody wants to spend a bunch of money on content and then hand it all over to the tubes? No??? Yea, that's kinda what I figured. As long as the money is not coming out of your pocket .. you're cool with it. If you had to pay for it, you would have a different viewpoint.Comment
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Immoral? You ignore my question i asked you earlier. Have you EVER sold content to a program that uses xsales or shading business practices? Most on this board consider that immoral. Have you ever sold content to a site that fools surfers into thinking it's a incredible site then they pay login and it's a joke? That's immoral too. How about all the programs that have now or are making their own tube site? You would be surprised. How many sponsor's here would turn down a link on Pornhub if he offered to you for free?hahaha true!
If it's not illegal, it's certainly immoral. As if stealing the content wasn't bad enough, now there's the hosting company who thinks it's ok to do it and he's happy to juggle the DMCA paperwork when it comes in
Are there any hosting companies out there that want to send me a hundred thousand dollars so I can produce a bunch of hardcore movies and then hand them over to the tubes to use on their sites for free? Awwww come'n guys. Nobody wants to spend a bunch of money on content and then hand it all over to the tubes? No??? Yea, that's kinda what I figured. As long as the money is not coming out of your pocket .. you're cool with it. If you had to pay for it, you would have a different viewpoint.
Years ago being a really good photographer was a elite group. Nowadays anyone can be a great photographer. Your occupation is a shrinking one both in terms of income and opportunitites. Yet some photographers are thriving in this new economy. They are the ones not trying to find scapegoats for thier shrinking income, they are the ones that are adopting and doing new things, not still living in 1995. You are the reason for your demise, not tube sites. And don't come back with the "things are great for me shit". If they were you wouldn't be here attacking others and blaming them for your decline.ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466
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Choker, my business model is to produce high-end "elite" content that make my clients happy and keep their members happy. People hire me because of my work ethic, my skills and my ability to deliver. That my friend...is my business model. If a company wants to use xsales, that's their business model - not mine. Doing business with a company that uses xsales is far different then doing business with a company that uses stolen content for their financial gain. When was the last time you laid down a few hundred thousand dollars for content only to have it stolen and used for free by a tube site? When that happens to you - get back to me ok? Because only then will you understand what all producers in our industry are going thru. It's not surprising that you would be here honking your horn - you sell traffic to tubes. You are in bed with them, making money with them...while they steal content from legit producers all over the world. Frankly, you are no better then hosting companies who sleep with them.
That's like saying that just because you have photoshop, you can be an amazing web designer. Or just because you have guitar, you can be the next Eddie Van Halen. There will always be companies out there willing to pay more for an elite product. That is the niche that I fill. I could lower my prices and shoot anything & everything but why should I when that's what everyone else is doing?Years ago being a really good photographer was a elite group. Nowadays anyone can be a great photographer.
I don't think photographers (content producers) are going anywhere. We are the backbone of the industry. Without content, you wouldn't have a fucking job. It's the content that allows you to thrive. If we die, the industry dies. You and I need each other. I produce the content, you send the traffic, everybody makes money.You are the reason for your demise, not tube sites. And don't come back with the "things are great for me shit". If they were you wouldn't be here attacking others and blaming them for your decline.
The only people I'm attacking are nit-wits who think it's ok to steal content that people like me spend our time & money producing. If you don't understand that - you really have some issues brotha'. By business is down - just like everyone else's. But you don't see me doing illegal, unethical and immoral things do you?
So what exactly is your point Choker? That since the industry is down, it's ok to steal content if that's what it takes to keep your business running? And all the producers should lower their prices so the tubes will buy it instead of stealing it? WTF???Comment
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The problem I have with you is your statements about Brad dealing with sites hosting stolen content. He never said that, if I were a attorney I would say Brad has a strong case for slander. I'm not posting in this thread to toot my own horn, you know nothing about me or what I do. All my traffic is sold out for the next 6 months buddy I turn down many buyers everyday. And for the record I have spent well over $250,000 on content over the years so yeah I know what it feels like to have my shit stolen.
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I love the way you put your words into other peoples mouths. I got news for you buddy, I can find THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of full length scenes for $5 each, I don't need anymore. And no I don't think anyone should steal content, and I could care less if producers lower their prices or not. Doesnt affect my business in any way whatsoever. I don't steal content never have never will.ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466
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Here is what Brad said..."To this date, we host very few sites which receive DMCAs and I can count the clients on one hand who receive more than one per month."
This is in reference to tube sites ok? Why would a tube site be getting a DMCA notice if they were dealing in legal content? Why would Brad have clients that are getting "more than one (DMCA) notice per month".... if they didn't have stolen content on their tube site. Brad came here to GFY "bragging" that he's now working with "all kinds" of tube sites. He didn't come right out and say that he has clients who have stolen content but that wasn't necessary since he admitted that he has tube clients that are receiving DMCA notices. Would a perfectly "legal" tube site receive monthly DMCA notices? I think not....
Let's not forget that Brad started his post off by saying that at first he was NOT going to do business with tube sites like these. Then when he couldn't get his competitors to take the high ground like he was going to take, he decided that in order to stay competitive, he'd have to do business with tube sites. His argument was that as long as the DMCA's get taken care of promptly, everything is legal and he's fine with it.
Here's the bottom line Choker. Even if Brad takes care of the DMCA notices in a timely and professional manner, it's still immoral and unethical that stolen content was put up on a site to begin with. And just as unethical to do business with companies like these who steal content. It's just like the guy said earlier....
That about sums up my interpretation of what Brad said in his post!Sorry officer...yes I did knock over that 7/11 and stole all the money in the till. But I will put it back now that you caught me. No worries? Its not illegal if you put it back is it?
That's about all I'm going to say on this matter. My whole argument was from a producers standpoint. A guy who spends him money & time producing content so that tube sites can steal it and hosting companies can host it. Brad claims to have had our best interest at heart with his decision but I don't see how that could be.
Brad my friend - good luck on this new adventure to work with tubes. I saw the pictures of your new place - very nice job. People seem to think that you are about as honest and transparent as they come. I would only hope that some day we would have an opportunity to do business together in some capacity but to be honest with you, I can't ethically do business with a guy who thinks it's ok to host tube sites that get DMCA notices on a regular basis....and then brag about it. Which reminds me - I need to talk to my boys at Phatservers. I love those guys but if they are hosting a bunch of illegal tubes, I'll be looking for another host.Comment
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Hey mojohost, how long have you guys been in business? According to this link, your Service Provider DMCA Agent filing was only done in June.
http://www.copyright.gov/onlinesp/agents/e/easyosl.pdfIf you won't feel as good, I won't feel as cheap.Comment
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well this just comes to show that there is no such thing as one being able to run a fully "100% ethical" business when it comes to adult (don't confuse ethical with illegal btw). Now dont' get me wrong, I am not calling Brad a shady-ass-fuck for making the decision he made, I would have done the same had I been in his shoes.
Ever since illegal tubes started giving away 30+ min scenes and SPONSORS + CONTENT PRODUCERS ALLOWED this shit to happen, u knew u had to start operating within a "gray business area"
Brad is not the one to blame here we all know he took a stand at first but this is biz not a charity and seen as tho as sponsors and content producers have allowed illegal tubes to exist, his decision doesn't strike me as something odd.
Having said that, I don't see the hosting biz hurting as much as the content-driven adult biz; at least not in the foreseeable future.
The ones to be concerned about the future of their biz are content producers/sponsors as more and more free full length / acceptable-quality content floods the web ... have u been to youjizz.com lately? - AWESOME site btw! lolz
I don't know whats going to happen to the content-driven model, but I sure know as hell that diversifying out of it is well overdue by know; just as I know that Brad's decision is just something that "had to be done" to take part in that biz sector....
I ain't kissing Brad's ass .. I am just saying that if u see that tubes are making some coin (not big coin but some coin) and sponsors/content producers don't seem to give a fuck about their content being given away for free.. would u stand on the side lines waiting for permission from someone to tell u it is OK to make a lil coin following that biz model?Last edited by qxm; 08-16-2009, 03:28 PM.
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Brad, I think it's sort of stupid for you to announce on this forum that you now plan to start doing business with known thieves.
You clearly state that in the past you haven't but now you will.
Think about if you ever will have to give testimony in a court or deposition.
Plaintiff Lawyer: Mr. Mitchell, do you knowingly host stolen content?
Brad: Um mmmm uh mmmm well uh........
Plaintiff Lawyer: Mr. Mitchel, in August of 2009 on GFY message board, did u state that you intend to start doing business with tube sites that post stolen content?
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you do realize that your doing to choker(and every traffic guy) what your complaining that tube sites doing to you.
Your poisoning the traffic pool by supporting companies that ripp off those surfers. They will not buy a membership again and therefore the conversion rates of the traffic go thru the floor.
it the only reason you are saying that it worse is because it affects your pocket book that hypocritical.
i think he is making the point that content producers who poison the traffic pools by supporting the paysites with scammie xsales are doing similar damage to the traffic guys.So what exactly is your point Choker? That since the industry is down, it's ok to steal content if that's what it takes to keep your business running? And all the producers should lower their prices so the tubes will buy it instead of stealing it? WTF???
Complaining their actions without fixing your own is hypocritical.
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Your another nobody that's good at putting your words into other peoples mouths. Where did he say he is doing business with tube sites that post stolen content. Your yet another idiot that made some money back in 95, can't even afford to go to internext and of course blame the tubes for your having to work a second job at McDonalds to make ends meet. Your sites are a fucking joke, you were lucky to ever get a single surfer to pay to see what little shitty content you have. Notice a pattern here? Idiots like you who live in the past are the whining bitches of GFY now. LOL. Your very entertaining I'll give you thatICQ me lets make a deal 116894466
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You couldn't even afford the gas money to drive what 200 miles to Internext? You attack anything tube related because nobody signs up at your shitty sites and you need to blame someone right? Do illegal tubes steal and use your videos? Of course not your videos are not good enough for a tube site. LOL.ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466
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It's not "legal" either. It's loophole(s). And they will be closed sooner or later. There are recent court rulings against commercial services like usenet and rapidshare, and there will likely be more of that. Unfortunately this will affect everyone who enjoy freedom and privacy, but who know how to restrict themselves. Ideas like mandatory .xxx is not far away - not only for adult business, but all freedoms related to business and privacy on internet. Those screaming loudest against, is ironically those creating it.Comment
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lol, if you say so
That's why i own a million dollar house on the inter coastal in Florida, and 800 acres here in Georgia, which is where i am now and will be for the next 3 months getting ready for hunting season.
I could give a fuck about the shows any more. 2003 was the last show I went to FYI.
You don't even own a house but just RENT one in North Miami Beach.
big baller lol
You are and always will be a tool.
You're on the bottom of the food chain man.
Just deal with it like you do your insecurities about not having any hair. lol
What a tool you are.
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Your in GA.Are you far from atl? If not it would be cool to meet you.lol, if you say so
That's why i own a million dollar house on the inter coastal in Florida, and 800 acres here in Georgia, which is where i am now and will be for the next 3 months getting ready for hunting season.
I could give a fuck about the shows any more. 2003 was the last show I went to FYI.
You don't even own a house but just RENT one in North Miami Beach. big baller lol
You are and always will be a tool.
You're on the bottom of the food chain man.
Just deal with it like you do your insecurities about not having any hair. lol
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