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  • ParlourCash Karl
    Confirmed User
    • May 2006
    • 438

    #1

    A Scamming Affiliate or Not

    Our site has been online since 2003 now, but we only started our affiliate program recently. Affiliates are slowish to sign up but the ones that have are mostly doing pretty well. Last week our top affiliate cleared $244.22 on smallish amount of traffic. Most of our affiliates are doing anywhere from $24 - $100 per wek, some less with very little traffic. Hopefully more affiliates will sign up this week.

    Now the problem is that two days ago we had an affiliate sign up, he got a sale on his very first hit and then proceeded to get 2 more sales off 4 hits, all sales were for the $99.95 membership. When we have a sign up on the first hit we always watch - his sign up ration it seems pretty amazing on such a few hits, we have had affiliates getting a sale on their first 2 or 3 hits and then another a few hits later but then it does normally pan out to a decent ratio.

    Now the next weird part is that none of the names used for passwords have accessed the site, normally once a sign up is cleared they log on immeditely, but not here.....not one log onto the site since they joined. The countries for sign up are France and one US.

    Another strange issue is that all the membership usernames start with the same letter.

    Our affiliate program is run through Epoch and his payout he set at $200, he has nearly reached that already in only 2 days. Not one single hit from him today for day 3.

    What are your thoughts on this, now don't get us wrong we would love it if it is genuine, but would also hate to have it all charged back once he has done his draw.

    What would be the best way to find out if it is a scam or genuine. He is from Morocco is that strange for that sign up ratio. He is the only affiliate we have from that part of the world, most others are Europe, UK, US and Canada.

    Any advice given in this matter will be greatly appreciated.
    www.ParlourCash.com
  • Beanz
    Confirmed User
    • Feb 2007
    • 238

    #2
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    • SykkBoy2
      Jesus loves bacon
      • Feb 2001
      • 19969

      #3
      99% chance he's cheating...
      how many people are going to pay for a $100 membership and not login a single time? It would be few and far between and in this case it happened more than once...
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      • ParlourCash Karl
        Confirmed User
        • May 2006
        • 438

        #4
        Thanks Beanz hitting you up now
        www.ParlourCash.com

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        • koreanbbque
          Confirmed User
          • Dec 2003
          • 688

          #5
          1) Check the last login time of those members. Usually CC theft peeps will not bother to login after purchase.

          2) Are you basing the country signup from IP or from user info when they purchase?

          3) contact epoch risk/fraud dept and they'll tell you what's up.

          4) Could be PH chatters too. No referring url and 1:1 signup ratio.
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          • Dirty D
            Confirmed User
            • May 2002
            • 4044

            #6
            Shut his account off immediately.

            This is fraud for sure.

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            • Lace
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              • Mar 2004
              • 16116

              #7
              I'd say fraud without a doubt.
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              • NoWhErE
                Too lazy to set a custom title
                • Sep 2005
                • 10583

                #8
                sounds like fraud to me.

                what kind of traffic would be 100$ members at a 1:4 ratio?
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                • D Ghost
                  null
                  • May 2006
                  • 9819

                  #9
                  Originally posted by SykkBoy2
                  99% chance he's cheating...
                  how many people are going to pay for a $100 membership and not login a single time? It would be few and far between and in this case it happened more than once...
                  yep

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                  • JamesK
                    hi
                    • Jun 2002
                    • 16731

                    #10
                    yep ban his ass
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                    • stever
                      Confirmed User
                      • Jul 2005
                      • 1716

                      #11
                      since you are on epoch
                      its easy for you

                      contact them with the member id of each subscription
                      they will tell you right away...and refund the transactions to avoid cbs + block the reseller on their end


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                      • Cyber Fucker
                        Hmm
                        • Sep 2005
                        • 12642

                        #12
                        sounds like a fraud to me too...

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                        • KillerK
                          Confirmed User
                          • May 2008
                          • 3406

                          #13
                          I'd go with Fraud... Nobody has the first hit be a sale.

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                          • Wizzo
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                            • Nov 2000
                            • 15224

                            #14
                            Sounds like you got some Vietnam cheaters...
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                            • woj
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                              • Jul 2002
                              • 47880

                              #15
                              yea, probably fraud
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                              • iSpyCams
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                                • May 2009
                                • 4436

                                #16
                                Did you check the referral URL's?

                                Sounds like fraud to me, on a $100 signup those ratios are too good even for chat traffic.
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                                • Phil
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Jan 2004
                                  • 7659

                                  #17
                                  you kidding, right? This is a bad as it gets. How many signs do you need?
                                  Ask Phil

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                                  • ParlourCash Karl
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • May 2006
                                    • 438

                                    #18
                                    Thanks Guys, yep contacted Epoch and they are looking into it right now, they will let me know shortly, at least we caught it before it was too late.

                                    Many Thanks to Beanz for your help, much appreciated.

                                    Definitely looks like fraud, we will let you know as soon as Epoch comes back to us, they said it would be soon.

                                    Once it gets proved to be fraud we will post the info for you.

                                    is OK to post a fraudulant transaction on here giving name etc or not?
                                    www.ParlourCash.com

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                                    • Easton
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                                      • Sep 2002
                                      • 9825

                                      #19
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                                      • SeanLEE
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Feb 2006
                                        • 1556

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Dirty D
                                        Shut his account off immediately.

                                        This is fraud for sure.
                                        funny, funny , funny
                                        I spammed in threads!

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                                        • The Ghost
                                          IslandDollars.com
                                          • Oct 2004
                                          • 12188

                                          #21
                                          I'd advise removing the $99 option. Over the long haul it will cause more problems than it's worth.
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                                          • alexchechs
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • May 2008
                                            • 3474

                                            #22
                                            Seems really sketchy... definitly turn his account off...
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                                            • ParlourCash Karl
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • May 2006
                                              • 438

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by The Ghost
                                              I'd advise removing the $99 option. Over the long haul it will cause more problems than it's worth.
                                              I never looked at it that way, our $99. is pretty popular, chargebacks could be a problem at that price. We are not used to chargebacks, I see what you are saying. Anyone else think it's agood idea to remove the $99.

                                              Thanks for the advice.
                                              www.ParlourCash.com

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                                              • seeandsee
                                                Check SIG!
                                                • Mar 2006
                                                • 50945

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Dirty D
                                                Shut his account off immediately.

                                                This is fraud for sure.
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                                                • HouseHead

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Danielles Parlour
                                                  Thanks Guys, yep contacted Epoch and they are looking into it right now, they will let me know shortly, at least we caught it before it was too late.

                                                  Many Thanks to Beanz for your help, much appreciated.

                                                  Definitely looks like fraud, we will let you know as soon as Epoch comes back to us, they said it would be soon.

                                                  Once it gets proved to be fraud we will post the info for you.

                                                  is OK to post a fraudulant transaction on here giving name etc or not?
                                                  Keep us posted

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                                                  • fujiko
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Jan 2008
                                                    • 566

                                                    #26
                                                    dont wait .. cancel him now.
                                                    u are better safe than sorry.
                                                    .

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                                                    • ParlourCash Karl
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • May 2006
                                                      • 438

                                                      #27
                                                      He has been cancelled, not long after this thread started a couple of hours ago. Epoch are still working on sorting it out. I will post the info once Epoch has confirmed everything.
                                                      www.ParlourCash.com

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                                                      • james_clickmemedia
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Apr 2003
                                                        • 2204

                                                        #28
                                                        Many fraud flags from what you said.
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                                                        • Dirty Dane
                                                          Sick Fuck
                                                          • Feb 2004
                                                          • 9491

                                                          #29
                                                          Yes, sounds like fraud.
                                                          However great ratios on new affiliates do not automatically mean fraud. When a new site is announced on promo sites, often result in instant signups, if you have quality and returning traffic. My account was locked recently from a new program, suspicious one, and I had to explain this

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                                                          • papill0n
                                                            Unregistered Abuser
                                                            • Oct 2007
                                                            • 15547

                                                            #30
                                                            Not wanting to be harsh Danielle but if you cant work out that is fraud then there is something seriously wrong.

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                                                            • matrix_x
                                                              Registered User
                                                              • Jun 2007
                                                              • 64

                                                              #31
                                                              Guaranteed fraud!!!

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                                                              • SiMpLe
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Feb 2002
                                                                • 3221

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Dirty D
                                                                Shut his account off immediately.

                                                                This is fraud for sure.
                                                                Agreed!!
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                                                                • SiMpLe
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Feb 2002
                                                                  • 3221

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by james_clickmemedia
                                                                  Many fraud flags from what you said.
                                                                  Agreed x2!
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                                                                  • TyroneGoldberg
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Sep 2007
                                                                    • 1081

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Danielles Parlour
                                                                    . He is from Morocco
                                                                    enough said.

                                                                    ban him and whoever else signed up from Morocco, fucking crooks.

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                                                                    • Blazing
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Nov 2001
                                                                      • 1665

                                                                      #35
                                                                      100% fraud... Do Not pass Go.. Do not hand out $200.00

                                                                      Send him directly to BANNED!!!

                                                                      You pointed out all the red flag fraud signals....

                                                                      1) New affiliate with less than 1:50 conv ratio

                                                                      2) All sales are at the highest price point. and, he is no doubt on Revshare

                                                                      3) Members did not login to members area

                                                                      4) Hits miraculously stop after he reaches his payout threshhold, until he gets paid, then continues... so.. lets see.. after convertin in 1:10, he doesnt like those numbers and takes down the links or traffic??? No fricken way!!!

                                                                      5) Username consistancy with all members under affiliate. ( Impossible!! )

                                                                      Looks like the only other red flag you didnt mention is that his payout option is.. ePassporte??? I bet a buck it is!!!

                                                                      We usually see a few of these idiots every month.. when these red flags appear.. I dont hesitate to nuke the basturd!!

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                                                                      • MrMaxwell
                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                        • Jul 2005
                                                                        • 10057

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by Danielles Parlour
                                                                        Our site has been online since 2003 now, but we only started our affiliate program recently. Affiliates are slowish to sign up but the ones that have are mostly doing pretty well. Last week our top affiliate cleared $244.22 on smallish amount of traffic. Most of our affiliates are doing anywhere from $24 - $100 per wek, some less with very little traffic. Hopefully more affiliates will sign up this week.

                                                                        Now the problem is that two days ago we had an affiliate sign up, he got a sale on his very first hit and then proceeded to get 2 more sales off 4 hits, all sales were for the $99.95 membership. When we have a sign up on the first hit we always watch - his sign up ration it seems pretty amazing on such a few hits, we have had affiliates getting a sale on their first 2 or 3 hits and then another a few hits later but then it does normally pan out to a decent ratio.

                                                                        Now the next weird part is that none of the names used for passwords have accessed the site, normally once a sign up is cleared they log on immeditely, but not here.....not one log onto the site since they joined. The countries for sign up are France and one US.

                                                                        Another strange issue is that all the membership usernames start with the same letter.

                                                                        Our affiliate program is run through Epoch and his payout he set at $200, he has nearly reached that already in only 2 days. Not one single hit from him today for day 3.

                                                                        What are your thoughts on this, now don't get us wrong we would love it if it is genuine, but would also hate to have it all charged back once he has done his draw.

                                                                        What would be the best way to find out if it is a scam or genuine. He is from Morocco is that strange for that sign up ratio. He is the only affiliate we have from that part of the world, most others are Europe, UK, US and Canada.

                                                                        Any advice given in this matter will be greatly appreciated.

                                                                        This is the most ridiculously obvious fraud there could ever be.
                                                                        Even the .0000000001% possible explanation.. that is.. guys doing test sign-ups well hell they would have AT LEAST varied the amount/logins and AT LEAST have notified you.

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                                                                        • pornguy
                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                                          • 62910

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by NoWhErE
                                                                          sounds like fraud to me.

                                                                          what kind of traffic would be 100$ members at a 1:4 ratio?
                                                                          Chat traffic.
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                                                                          • MrMaxwell
                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                            • Jul 2005
                                                                            • 10057

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by pornguy
                                                                            Chat traffic.
                                                                            Man..
                                                                            I remember IRC traffic being fucking GOOD..
                                                                            GOLD for those almost $1 e-mail collectors..
                                                                            Then you stack on there three sponsors..
                                                                            And they would literally sign up for all three
                                                                            Maybe 1:25 idiots would sign up!
                                                                            Heh
                                                                            I just advertised it on my fserve..
                                                                            Not of this you have to go there to get on my server
                                                                            It was in my welcome message which was also sent with dcc send (direct client to client! yay!)

                                                                            "Hey I found these things that give you free porn pictures, right in your e-mail!!"
                                                                            "Can you imagine"

                                                                            Or it said something

                                                                            What the fuck ever happened to that Jim Churillo ... Grrrr
                                                                            I think I had xxx-e-mail.com ..

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                                                                            Sorry

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                                                                            • Iron Fist
                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                              • Dec 2006
                                                                              • 23400

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by Danielles Parlour
                                                                              I never looked at it that way, our $99. is pretty popular, chargebacks could be a problem at that price. We are not used to chargebacks, I see what you are saying. Anyone else think it's agood idea to remove the $99.

                                                                              Thanks for the advice.
                                                                              It's a good idea because you didn't have an affiliate program before, and now you do... all of your fraudulent signups will be at the $99 price point... like you said.. 4 signups and you've paid it out to the fraudster. Do that just once, and your site will be crawling with them... they communicate through underground boards and private invite only ICQ chat channels. You'd be amazed how many open proxies they use to do the signups from.

                                                                              One thing to always consider is this... scammers have no patience whatsoever.
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                                                                              • SomeCreep
                                                                                :glugglug
                                                                                • Mar 2003
                                                                                • 26118

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by Danielles Parlour
                                                                                He is from Morocco
                                                                                That's all you had to say. It's fraud.

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                                                                                • Shoehorn!
                                                                                  Die With Your Boots On
                                                                                  • Oct 2003
                                                                                  • 22872

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Sounds like fraud for sure.

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                                                                                  • ParlourCash Karl
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • May 2006
                                                                                    • 438

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Yes just heard back from Epoch and definitely Fraud.

                                                                                    Thanks for the advice on the $99.95 I will be taking it down today that's for sure. 4 x $99.95 scams and we just refunded $399. today for it. Atleast we caught it straight away before it ran wild.

                                                                                    I will start a new post later with the names and ifo etc... plus the proof from Epoch about it being Fraud.

                                                                                    Thanks again for all the input, much apreciated.
                                                                                    www.ParlourCash.com

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                                                                                    • ParlourCash Karl
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • May 2006
                                                                                      • 438

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Just Pulled the $99.95 Sign Up Option.

                                                                                      Thanks for the advice.
                                                                                      www.ParlourCash.com

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                                                                                      • Fabien
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Jul 2003
                                                                                        • 4789

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Danielle

                                                                                        You should protect your webmaster content (promo stuff)
                                                                                        Surfers can get their hands on it very easily


                                                                                        Do a search for .htaccess and protecting a directory.

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