Owner of Piracy Site arrested by FBI

It does. Dirty Dane cleared up my paragraph in a sentence. You will see group rips out in public more than ever compared to 5 years ago. Give me a "known" warez website whether is a torrent site / warez forum / newsgroup and the most popular will be a scene group rip.

Let's take for example Torrentleech.com (google it) is a PRIVATE tracker for torrents unlike TBP which is also a torrent tracker. The difference is huge. aXXo is not a scene group btw.

Let's take down a site shall we?

http://www.pussytorrents.org

You will see many scene group rips for porn there on a daily basis and new released content. Everyone's content is there (ok "most"). The time that it will take people from here to take that down will be very slim.

don't get your panties in a bunch...

My dick is so big, it needs an airplane warning light.

ho

I believe you, but if there are millions of them why is that site dead in the water relatively speaking. And why didn't it damage the business bad the last 10 years?

I admit my only experience with warez sites are with geek employees of mine over the years who would run servers full of freeware that they used for different scripts.

I really don't understand why a surfer would feel the need to go put a scene on a warez site when their main motivation seems to be getting the scene up on rapidshare first so they can brag about it on pornbb to all of their followers.

Again, I'm not real familiar with warez. But I am real familiar with traffic, surfers, sales, and the trends of this business and the fact that everything went to hell at exactly the same time as the rise of the torrents and illegit tubes, not the warez which have been around since the beginning.

If torrent sites, newsgroups etc. become "quality" and so organized, why not destroy that quality? Bombard them with shitty stuff through automatic software, so surfers stop using it. There must be some unemployed former spammers who are looking for some work. I also think every law enforcement could care less about spammers at illegal sharing sites

The pornbb's and the planetsuzy's are definitely the bigger problem, but it goes way further than even just the immense traffic those sites get. Now if you look at pornbb every jackass that posts on that board also has their own blog with pirated Rapidshare porn links, since pornbb allows their users to put their blog url's in their sig, and some of them are pulling in some impressive traffic numbers. Then they monetize those blogs with dating, cams, Virtual Girl HD, and a bunch of other sites that take their traffic.

So like I said in another thread, the traffic pool is shifting so extremely that the guy we used to all call the "surfer" now probably has a blog with more traffic than most of the affiliates that post on here. It really is disturbing...

There is torrent sites that are public to everyone (bad) and those that are "private" not really private just someone that actually controls who uploads and can delete things at anytime mostly. You can spam the public torrent sites but you will get banned eventually.

Usenet or Newsgroups already get spam a LOT..(A LOT). However, there is groups out there dedicated to just giving you the NZB. file so you can directly get to the file you want and they have their own sites that organize those NZB. files in order.

You would be surprised how much the law enforcement are against spammers than pirates, because is easier to track those spammers down than pirates.

That's a fact. At one point I had 1.2 million UNIQUES a day of real traffic. Now? I THINK a couple of people may have accidentally surfed to one of my tgp's by mistake.

We can not sell what is free. And no, I don't want anybody to give me the "Cable TV" or "Bottled Water" analogies because it's not the same thing at all.

If you gave people all the channels of Cable TV with the same reception for free...nobody would pay for cable. And if you gave everyone in the country a free water purifier for their home, nobody would buy bottled water either. THAT is the situation the porn business faces.

At least your content is granny porn (I believe) I x'd it out quickly . I only say that because teen gets whored out the most than most and I believe granny is on the bottom list

I am not talking about spam as defined by laws and law enforcement, as "commercial" spam, but bad quality uploads, which is considered spam at the community (but still legal). It could be anything that do not harm or is illegal, but just annoying because of the amount of bad quality. The open communities are those getting most traffic and if you force heavy moderation, you slow it all down and scare away users. Eventually they will go underground, but if they are let in, so can spammers (bots).

Ah OK I know what you mean. Sorry but if I own a site and you keep spamming my site whether is illegal or in a gray area you can still be liable for damages, that could consist in admin time or attacking the server by handling your load of messages. That will be illegal for whoever tries to spam any network commercial or not.

Then again no "legit" company would get into an illegal activity to stop another illegal activity unless they know how to get away with and most do not that is why they come here and rant. I know that seems like a diss to those who complain but hey it is what it is.

My content isn't granny porn! lol You are looking at my TGP maybe?

The paysite I have is Claudia-Marie and here is a pic of her I took two days ago...it's big tit content, not granny!

I just went through all 3 links quickly to just see how the site operates then peeked at the content but couldn't stand to look anymore if I knew that was there.

Big tits I see now.

BTW: For RYC do you pay that "company" to remove just content that is from your paysite or "Claudie-Marie" in any site that it may show up?

If you intentionally attack a tracker server or torrent hoster, it would be illegal, yes. But if you upload things they "do not like", you are doing nothing else than using the server for what it was intented for; hosting torrents and connect to trackers. It is in the torrent clients, the surfers spend their traffic, and no admin or hoster can held you reliable for that. Otherwise they also have to admit THEY are responsible for the content. Are anyone going to charge you for sharing 1 gigabyte zip files of the tubegirl? No "legit" company is doing this officially, but I bet my ass some have "freelancers" doing it already

No only the claudia-marie.com site. Unfortunately every scene ever shot for Naughty America since back when they were SoCalCash is available for free everywhere. And the sales reflect that. They don't bother to try and protect anything.

"Oh.. okay.... let's go take a shower...."

He who control the distributions channels... wins the game. That is all. Cut and dried.

You're on track here Robbie.

Basically "the scene" is where piracy started in an organized form, and can be traced back to at least the early 1980's. People ran BBS's in their homes, that accepted calls from modems. Many were "PD" boards that only had public domain stuff, ie: legal. Many also had a backdoor into the more private areas, where they would have porn, and illegal software. Anyone remember cshow.exe? Also you'll see HPVAC, which was hacking, phreaking (telephone hacking), virii, art (ansi, ascii, ripterm) and cracking.

There were also entirely pirate BBS's, that needed a special password to create accounts, and their phone numbers were essentially private. You needed to have the NUP (new user password) so even if you had the phone number, that wasn't good enough to gain access. Many sysops of these sites would even phone you, to have a better idea of who had access to their server.

Earlier I posted one of the largest BBS's Toronto ever saw, called Akira. At one point that was the "fastest" board in the world, and people would call from all over the world to upload, download and post messages. Often people used blue boxes, beige boxes and the like, or stolen PBX's that allowed them to call for free, on someone else's dime.

When the internet emerged, first it was like FIDO messaging, gopher, and telnet. Telnet was widely used to transfer files between BBS's and the Internet, often using faster ISDN lines. Interestingly, people generally only used the internet to be able to transfer things faster between BBS's! It was all about the race to who could upload things the fastest, for respect, and for download credits. You couldn't download without contributing.

Eventually FTP's took over, and BBS's waned in popularity. Some of the biggest ones had as many as 20 ISDN lines + 20 dedicated phone lines at their peak.

"the scene" was a pretty private group of people who had set standards in ripping, packaging and releasing files. Spreading them to public places like the newsgroups and anonymous FTP's was highly frowned upon, and selling the stuff was the highest capital crime. It wasn't meant to be for everyone.

Eventually, it got out of control. It got too big. People stopped respecting the rules, the handful of groups became thousands, and generally people with less computer skills were involved. It was no longer the private super-nerds only club.

Some semblance of the scene's organization remains today, and lots of the older groups still operate. Razor1911 was mentioned. They're still alive, but way more private. There are hundreds of very private scene sites, and the website that peruvian posted gives you some idea of what comes out every day on these sites. Much of the trading is done by shell scripts, although nobody would admit that. The robots just sit on all the sites, and when something comes out a guy watches an IRC channel, hits a key, and his bots move it to all the relevant sites.

There are MP3 scene sites, warez sites, movie sites, porn sites, and mixes of all of those things together. Different sites have different rules, and accept different things. There are even weekly reports on who moved the most stuff, which sites are worth the most (as they're faster and harder to get anything uploaded to), and which groups are dominating. It's all very competitive.

Groups pre-release things to their own affiliated sites first, and then things spread from there. The group members have an advantage of knowing what's going to be released when, and the second something is released, they're ready to send it all the best sites they're on.

But you're totally right. That's not the problem. The people trading shit around don't even watch it, or use the software. It's just to get credits, and rack up points, etc. Some of the stuff gets posted to torrent sites, newsgroups, etc. But it's not the scene people doing it. It gets uploaded to some lame FTP site and then moved from there. More often than not, it's not even the scene releases getting spread around. It's just homemade rips made with no rules, no quality control, etc.

The real scene members wish the torrents, tubes and all that would go away just as much as we do. Kinda ironic I guess.

So anyways there you have it, that's the scene in a nutshell. It was around long before the internet, and has little to do with piracy as we know it today. It's not a situation like drugs where if you cut off the source, you seriously impact the availability of copyright materials available on the internet. Until individuals are being held responsible for what they upload, download, store and make available, things will continue as they have.

You didn't have to go back that much in time to make me feel that old now. That probably took time to write. I still however point to the scene when piracy comes in just nobody going to have one major distribution website for everything that would just be dumb and cause way too much attention regardless of who you are and who you know.

I'm only 28, I guess that's old now.. Yikes. ;)

And for what it's worth, piracy has done a lot of good. It turned Microsoft into what it is today, and made the internet too. Without piracy, lots of the most talented people would not have been able to craft their skills as teenagers.

I was one of the first people writing porn reviews too, after Janes Guide of course.. But they do things differently. I would use stolen passwords to get into your sites, and write my reviews. Back then lots of sites were total shit. Nobody would have let me in had I asked. So I actually used piracy to CONTRIBUTE to your bottom line. Imagine that. ;) I thought it was great that I could funnel people to the better sites, and steer them away from the shitty ones.

I was like Santa Clause. Sure I was breaking and entering, but I left gifts goddamnit!!!

Try telling the Microsoft theory to porn owners today in this day of age and what they can get out of it (ehhh)...

Software piracy and media piracy are two entirely different beasts.

Right on the beasts. Some may call me crazy but media piracy may help a porn site owner on the come-up to get noticed. Afterwards well that can get ugly.

Wonder why?

For the same reason some sites still refuse to give out review passwords - their sites suck.

I think it has done more damage than good. For instance I remember mp3.com was a great place for amateurs to share their music through the P4P algoritm, but all of that changed when piracy and the greed came. When pirates today whine about "they" take away our freedoms, it is the pirates themselves who cause it. It's bad karma.

Yes for sure. It's still illegal, and copyright owners surely deserve more protection. It's doing a ton of damage right now. I'm with the copyright holders.

However to say it's been ALL bad is just plain wrong.

I guess it's like graffiti in that sense. It's illegal, and defaces people's property, it costs people money. There are victims. However some of it is truly amazing, and I guarantee I've stopped to look at graffiti for far longer than I would had those bricks stayed plain brown. It's added, while taking away.

And I have no idea how these idiots whine like they have a right to share anything they get their hands on. None of the original pirates would have said that. They knew what they were doing was wrong. Plus they were trading in a small community, not making available to the world. It had some philosophical advantages to speak about, but they all knew it was illegal and they were risking their freedom. People went to jail.

Art, illegal, both? Would you whitewall these? Is the wall better off, post vandalization?

Yes... same could be said about wars. Without it, we would not have much of the great stuff and research used for peaceful things today. However, the world would be better without the need for military

Those were the guys I knew. They were smart as hell and had way more knowledge of how to work the internet minus the pretty gui
But the guys I knew were never out to monetize other peoples property or to really damage anyone (well, except microsoft lol)

It was mostly done for sport.

The shit happening today has nothing to do with those guys. And the end result if something doesn't change is this: There simply won't be any new porn being produced. ALL porn websites will be TRUE amateur. lol

And once the foundation is destroyed....it won't matter about having all that traffic with the stolen porn. There won't be anybody left to sell advertising to.

No matter how this particular case turns out, I can say it has had one very real bright spot in it:

It gave me yet another good reason to laugh at gideongallery
BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

Well put. The difference between taking your son fishing, and raping the ocean with huge nets for profit, knowing that one day there will be no more fish at all.

Yes, so true!! If someone use a website called the PIRATE bay, at least ADMIT it is piracy. Making arguments about it is legal... that is plain stupidity and self-foolish

all those that steal content should be deal with!

This could be a good way to take down a lot of the Tubes. Check the address and phone number, if not valid contact ICANN and inform them. The ones who use a hidden address service will be harder to track but I'm sure not impossible.

If I stole a load of email addresses or did not pay my bill to you for a banner ad you would be very pissed. But in effect I would not have really stolen anything because you still have the email addresses and the site where you put the banners.

your 100% right

i do that, the opposite of remove your content ist spam your content,
great way to promote without having server costs for traffic

but paysites have to invest more in sabotage those free leeching communities with fakes or its getting worse with sales month by month

they could start providing affiliates with more up to date promo tools like screencaps of full movie scene, hd trailers with huge file size etc etc

they cannot expect affiliates doing that, because the roi
doesnt make sense with that type of work and affiliates do not earn on type in and brand sales
lots of type in and brand sales come from rapidshare and torrent uploads


todays problem:
most rapidshare files are clean, most torrents are clean, i remember a couple of years ago when warezlinks weres mostly spam and fakes

these days its easier to find a rapidshare file with your favorite paysite content
then the join button of that particular paysite !!!

You will say anything to justify your position and avoid the facts. Did you even bother to click the links?

http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...rch_type=&aq=f

Kill Bill sliced into scenes, the videos have been on there for 3 years. Not removed.

You have no proof it was "ripped by a kid" but the fact is, youtube has movies sliced into scenes and people link them on gfy. No different than porn tube scenes sliced. Slicing a movie into scenes and uploading it is piracy, right? Everyday on GFY people link illegally sliced movies, no better than a porn warez forum LOLz

Almost 500,000 views on the first Kill Bill scene on the link, and its been on youtube for 3 years... funny how that works aint it?

There are movies on youtube sliced in 10 minute parts and is the whole movie (not Kill Bill but they exist) ... avoid the truth all you want.

At least with rapidshare and other filehosters they are ordered by courts to remove infringements. So if you watch the sharing forums with a software (by flagging certain keywords), you can react upon it and get the files removed. Eventually they also shut down their accounts, and take away the motivation for uploading. It is small measures, but if everyone keeps their eyes open, it has some effect.
With torrents you can connect with lots of IPs with minimum of upload speed. That way you slow down the hole cloud, and it will take days, even weeks, for them to download

Well, watching 10 minute clips in youtube quality... the ultimative cinema experience

I know its difficult for you to grasp, but whats the difference between that and porn tube sliced movies?

Nothing.

Carry on, I just cant stand seeing someone make a good point and then some idiot just disregards it by their own ignorance with comments like "ripped by a kid" No it wasn't, nor has it been removed... and then people on GFY link the video LOL

Every day people link sliced scenes on GFY, they post links to them here and then post how BAD TUBE sites are. Hypocrisy.

Exactly. Quality sucks. Especially youtube compared to a movie watched in Blu-ray quality. I guess some few people do watch a hole movie from youtube in slices, but it must suck to be them. However, I do think people care less about the cinema experience, if it is porn....

The truth is none of these methods GFYers dream up will kill Tubes and bring back a significant amount of our customers. You're all dreamers dreaming you have some magic bullet that will kill Tubes and bring back customers over night.

WILL NOT HAPPEN.

After 10+ years of supplying customers what we needed them to buy to support our totally unwieldy system it's taken Tubes a couple of years to rob us of our client base. Why is simple. We refuse to change our product and Tubes suits them better. Forget about the free angle, people will pay if you have the right product.

But we refuse to change and Tubes will continue to to win over our customers.

You can't change from a salesman to sell stolen products. Then no one will win.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!!!

I likey.....

btw did you see the scene list posted by peruviantalk on page 3? Your content is on that list.

Nice news, but why have they singled out the owner of a tiny site when there's much bigger fish around?

seems like they're actually stuff done lately with piracy