I see now c4s is now requiring uploads of all model docs to post there now. Mastercard strikes again. How the hell are they going to secure the data on the models info? SMH, I post multi models on there.
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They're shooting themselves in the foot. MC's new rules do not require what C4S is asking. What they're asking definitely protects them even more, but most likely at the cost of many production companies pulling their wares off the site.Comment
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Are CCBill/Verotel/Epoch/Segpay/Netbilling etc immune to these new requirements of "everything must be uploaded with every video"?
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I do NOT believe this will affect legit content creators which comply and store ALL their 2257 documents as USC 2257 requires. I believe this is aimed on all those who steal, recycle or " run" dodgy models and use the classic :" I did not know she was 15, I did not make the video". Good riddance its about time
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It's not necessarily about "legit" content creators. It's about record keeping (not every model on every video from 12 years ago has IDs or paperwork) AND not giving personal info over to a very hackable porn website. Encrypted or not, hosting, keeping (and checking?) millions of IDs is not something I want some employee at a porn site having control over.I do NOT believe this will affect legit content creators which comply and store ALL their 2257 documents as USC 2257 requires. I believe this is aimed on all those who steal, recycle or " run" dodgy models and use the classic :" I did not know she was 15, I did not make the video". Good riddance its about time
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No need to explain. They know already. The new rules aren't requiring what C4S is asking. When it comes to IDs, the new rules simply codify current standard practices and there is nothing in them that requires third-parties to preemptively send platforms this type of confidential material. C4S and others are just doing it to be extra, extra safe.Comment
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I am sure this has something to do with C4S being recently acquired from Mind Geek. So the new owners want all the i's dotted and t's crossed. HOWEVER...
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Totally agree..I know I will be deleting all my content on there. I have always had model contracts..Just back 20 years ago. I didn't have 2257's. Not giving a fortune 500 company all my amateurs info..To many things can happen..Now if the Govt needs to see them ..That's entirely a different situation. Too bad made good money with them.Awesome Hosting At Awesome Pricing At VacaresComment
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Shut the fuck up Gary. You know jack squat about what I am talking about.
Under your "logic" half the content (or more) on the web would magically disappear. Content that was legal and in compliance under old rules suddenly gets taken down because new, unrealistic (and unenforceable) rules are put in place. Think this would be good for fans of pancake tits like your crowd? Nope.
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The Porn Nerd, attacking Gary or his wife with insults against his wife reflects very poorly on you. It makes you appear to be lacking of education or class, or possibly both.
Proper documentation of every single model that appears in a scene is something responsible "long term" business minded folks should have. Managed correctly it protects the rightful owners of the content, which may or may not include the models themselves.
Entrusting the records to C4S or any other hosting / distribution platform is a separate matter to be debated, without throwing insults around."The time men spend in trying to impress others they could spend in doing the things by which others would be impressed."Comment
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You do you know WHY I call her Gary? Hmm? Perhaps do some research as to why people have been banned and then post AS their slag wife with drunken, self-aggrandizing and judgmental contributions. (Sorry, words too big? I am so uneducated after all.)
Plus they are mostly ex-pat twits.
Again (and again?) this is not about proper record keeping. This is about:
A. Focusing on the KEEPING part (as in, WHO gets to "keep" sensitive, private and personal data).
B. WHY submit model IDs when that is not Mastercard's requirements.
C. If older content was once compliant it should be grandfathered in (except grandpa porn, that is gross).
D. Besides the above, how (in practical terms) would any of this be verified? Who does the verifying (see point A)? So who then takes responsibility for the 2257 info? Both parties (C4S and the uploader)? Doesn't that open up liability issues for C4S? Why would they want that? Why not just direct MC back to the, you know, 2257 record keeper (the producer)?
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Class is just flowing out of you today. Whatever anger issues you have, I doubt that Gary or his wife are the reasons for them.
I vaguely remember the allegations of Gary presenting himself as being Natalie or running a second account. In light of all the BS that plays out on this board, if even true, it really doesn't matter. Others run amuck with multiple nicks, not delivering on product or services paid for, selling fake traffic, etc. Whatever minor act happened was maybe 10 plus years ago.
Regarding C4S, I agree with you 1000 percent, that they are requesting something they are not required by law or per current V/MC guidelines to maintain themselves. The current over reach is for their benefit and not yours. Each person had the freedom to choose the course of action that is best for them. You can decline to provide them the documents they request and simply pull your content like Robbie did. Or, you can provide C4S legal notice that you disagree with their requirements, provide the reasons why, and give them notice that if they act against you, you will file a legal complaint against them in court, and let a Judge decide."The time men spend in trying to impress others they could spend in doing the things by which others would be impressed."Comment
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Listen Mr. Pop Psychologist suck my donkey balls. My anger issues are directed at asshats like you who give me shit on message boards, as does Gary (who was banned for something far worse than what you described) and his drunken slut wifey. So STFU Captain Save-a-Ho. Gary can fight his own battles.
Oh - and thanks for the lawyerly advice too. You sound like you work for C4S. LOL Take my ball(s) and go home or fight them in court? Great choices. Enough people take their content and energies away and what is C4S left with? Methinks the new owners just bought a dwindling asset.
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Everything i´m talking about is absolutely true regarding all clip sites, now with ONLYFANS, they removed a load of my old content I can´t locate the ID´s, or at least the 2257´s, this not a major problem, but don´t tell me they won´t remove the content from the net...
Your pathetic attempts to talk nasty about my body is ridiculous and under miming all models in the adult business, especially considering my tits are natural and pretty perfect....
I suggest you quit while you´re behind and go jack off over your content that obviously shouldn´t be on the web if you haven´t the correct information
he wouldn´t do it to Gary´s face, he´s just an arrogant wanker disliking a woman telling he is wrong
the only reason Gary was banned was because of a load of BS from Damian, logically he should still have his account here, but for us both too, would be pointless...
as for calling me a slag and drunken, well, you´re a nasty tosser...
we run a business, a professional business just like you. We pay our taxes and for you to say anything personal against me is just ridiculous, considering I haven´t said anything personal about you, apart from it´s obvious you´re a sexist asshole, not liking me telling you that your views are actually ignorant
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Blah blah blah. Whatever you say Mrs. Butterworth. I will not blind the reader by re-posting the pictures of your pancake tits you yourself post Gary.
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Clips4sale is gonna be like walking through a dead mall with all the stores announcing their closures or content removal.
Less content + less traffic being sent = Shittier for everyone who stays behind and deals with the compliance headaches.
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I didn't use the site. But from what I read, there is an option where producers can list an address or email address for a record keeper instead of uploading docs right to c4s. Is that not the case?
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Any legit platform will be requiring releases and 2257/IDs. If they arent they could lose their Mastercard billing. We wont know how Mastercard will handle these issues until they or the processors start doing audits after October 15th.
For too many years the simple requirement that secondary producers also maintain copies of the records has been overlooked. It is what allowed UGC tubes to flourish.
Unfortunately, the FSC litigation against 2257 didnt address secondary producer issues (though there was an indication in that case that secondary producers needing to have the records was unconstitutional) and they were never resolved.
So as we sit here, secondary producers are required to maintained records.
Mastercard may not require it but if an account doesnt have them, the platform risks losing billing.
What platform is going to take that risk?
Dont want to give up your docs, thats easy - dont submit to platforms and instead maintain your own sites. You get to keep all the documents and IDs offline and protected.Comment
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I am building my own store with EDD that only accepts crypto. The majority of cs4 traffic/sales I generate myself, although the loss of card processing will hurt. Getting 99.9% of my sales instead of 55% may ease some of the pain.
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Honestly I think no one can predict how this is going to shake out. As I understand this thing, enforcement will be a bitch. Platforms can require it - then lose producers who don't want their models' sensitive info stored on some platform.
However, if Mastercard makes it relatively easy to comply - and we will know after October 15th - then we can all move forward with some certainty. I suspect MC will realize enforcement will be difficult if not impossible and the fallout will not be as bad as everyone fears. Right now, for example, all that Pornhub is requiring is that you check boxes to ensure you have the proper IDs and info. If that is all there will be to this then really no issues.
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Enforcement will be easy. My platform clients are already doing spot audits/checks on model releases and IDS. The accounts of content creators that don't have them are quickly terminated.
Platforms dont care about losing underperforming content creators. If anything, these past few years have shown there is a limitless supply of content creators for the platforms - there are now millions of pornographers in the world. If you're doing $100,000 a month, then I think the platforms will probably treat those creators differently. 80/20 rule... platforms would much rather lose the 80 and keep the 20...
Ultimately, hopefully, this will create more opportunities for membership sites and programs. I have a feeling that the number of creators will drop and the overall amount of content available will be reduced - and with UGC tubes also reducing content, perhaps more people will go back and take on memberships - if they are priced competitively.Comment
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