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  • Lace
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Mar 2004
    • 16116
    #51
    Originally posted by PornHero
    My expenses have been steady at about $1000/month for servers and domain names the last few years.

    Losing $10k/month in income sucks no matter what but I take it in stride.

    What goes up must come down. Easy come easy go. I just thank goodness I saved a shitload of cash & didnt just blow it all.

    I remember popping the champagne when I hit $3k/month back in 2003 so i am still grateful as hell for this business
    That's really not too bad (as far as expenses) And as you said, saving your pennies will save your ass in the long run. All in all, at least you're still profitable, just need to find ways to maximize your revenue again with all that is going on in this biz.
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      • PornHero
        Confirmed User
        • Feb 2001
        • 1381
        #52
        Originally posted by Lace
        That's really not too bad (as far as expenses) And as you said, saving your pennies will save your ass in the long run. All in all, at least you're still profitable, just need to find ways to maximize your revenue again with all that is going on in this biz.
        true dat... I have had alot of ups and downs in this biz... I was making $1200/month in the early on with AdultCheck when they suddenly shut down - i freaked... when Yahoo stopped using Google's search results I took a major hit that made me think it was the end...

        I've been on top of the world and at the bottom of the barrel during the last 12 years in this biz... but no matter what it beats sitting at a desk 9 to 5 preparing my annual performance review for my boss.

        Sex sells and nothing is going to change that. The fun part is the trial & error of finding where the sales are at.

        Porn 4 Life.
        PornHero.com

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          • tony299
            lurker
            • Aug 2002
            • 57021
            #53
            I wouldnt do all or nothing, that could be a recipe for pain. I have a friend made lots of money in cams and he told me its been slow. I would stick with your 14k and expand out to cams.

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              • will76
                Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash
                • May 2003
                • 18037
                #54
                Originally posted by PornHero
                I agree... webcam sites have a clear advantage right now. Porn videos are everywhere. No need for a credit card.

                I am going to dive into the webcam business with both guns blazing.

                Hell in the past I've dropped serious cash on hookers and hoes for that live experience you just cant get watching a recorded video. So I can relate to the craving for the live experience you get when watching live cams.
                Until girls start giving it away in masses, the webcam site will always do well. You might have a few girls here or there giving it away but most are not attractive, and its not many. Webcams always act as a good upsell to the pictures and videos. Not everyone can afford them but the people who can afford them are usually the ones not satisifed with recorded content or still images. It only takes a couple big whales to = 100 membership site customers.

                Good luck!
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                  • Iron Fist
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Dec 2006
                    • 23400
                    #55
                    Originally posted by TheSenator
                    Look for programs that pay at least 20% for life.
                    Careful with that.... I remember a thread about a site that paid "for life" and when the affiliate didn't send them traffic anymore for quite a long time, they decided it was time to stop paying the "lifetime" recurring payouts.

                    Keep sending traffic for life, and that might be more accurate.
                    i like waffles

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                      • PornHero
                        Confirmed User
                        • Feb 2001
                        • 1381
                        #56
                        Originally posted by tony404
                        I wouldnt do all or nothing, that could be a recipe for pain. I have a friend made lots of money in cams and he told me its been slow. I would stick with your 14k and expand out to cams.
                        I hear ya Dont get me wrong, its not like I am going to delete all my sites and sell all my domain names.

                        Its just that when I wake up in the morning I am now thinking about webcams not paysites. I will try to maintain my paysite income but i now see income growth coming from webcams.

                        No matter what our business has been affected by the credit crunch. Consumers arent getting credit cards as easy and are thinking twice before using them. But that too shall pass. Now is the time to survive and position your business for the next upswing whether it's a year from now or 5 years from now.

                        Everyone is going thru crap right now. Alot of people walk into their 9-to-5 job these days wondering if today is the day they get a pinkslip. That would make you think twice about putting porn on your credit card at 2 am the night before.
                        PornHero.com

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                          • Jet - BANNED FOR LIFE
                            So Fucking Banned
                            • Sep 2002
                            • 7515
                            #57
                            Originally posted by sharphead
                            Careful with that.... I remember a thread about a site that paid "for life" and when the affiliate didn't send them traffic anymore for quite a long time, they decided it was time to stop paying the "lifetime" recurring payouts.

                            Keep sending traffic for life, and that might be more accurate.
                            that's a shitty deal

                            what program was it?

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                              • Iron Fist
                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                • Dec 2006
                                • 23400
                                #58
                                Originally posted by Jet
                                that's a shitty deal

                                what program was it?


                                Nope.
                                i like waffles

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                                  • PornHero
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Feb 2001
                                    • 1381
                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by will76
                                    Until girls start giving it away in masses, the webcam site will always do well. You might have a few girls here or there giving it away but most are not attractive, and its not many. Webcams always act as a good upsell to the pictures and videos. Not everyone can afford them but the people who can afford them are usually the ones not satisifed with recorded content or still images. It only takes a couple big whales to = 100 membership site customers.

                                    Good luck!
                                    I agree Will... its the natural evolution of porn. You go from loving still images to getting addicted to video. Eventually video becomes ordinary and you want live, interactive stimulation.

                                    Hopefully one day soon 3-D technology will take off and we will really make some bank
                                    PornHero.com

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                                      • LeRoy
                                        Porn Pusher
                                        • Jul 2007
                                        • 13362
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by sharphead
                                        Careful with that.... I remember a thread about a site that paid "for life" and when the affiliate didn't send them traffic anymore for quite a long time, they decided it was time to stop paying the "lifetime" recurring payouts.

                                        Keep sending traffic for life, and that might be more accurate.
                                        Not at DTI. It's confirmed you get it for life. Even after you stop sending traffic or get out of the biz. Close down your network or whatever. The rebills still rebill then you get paid.

                                        I'm noticing a lot of negativity about paysites. Yes they are down but not out. Our paysites are doing very well. In fact we'll be opening a few more over here in the next months. Send us your Asian traffic and you'll see.

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                                          • Porn Farmer
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Feb 2007
                                            • 928
                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by PornHero
                                            I agree... webcam sites have a clear advantage right now. Porn videos are everywhere. No need for a credit card.

                                            I am going to dive into the webcam business with both guns blazing.

                                            Hell in the past I've dropped serious cash on hookers and hoes for that live experience you just cant get watching a recorded video. So I can relate to the craving for the live experience you get when watching live cams.
                                            Hey PornHero:

                                            My experience with paysites has been similar to yours and I also made a move towards webcams.

                                            I have also found that Pay Per View Porn also works works well for those who want full length movies but don't want to get rebilled every month.

                                            A good mix of webcams and pay per view has been working well for me!

                                            Best of luck with it!

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                                              • inthestars
                                                Registered User
                                                • Sep 2002
                                                • 2021
                                                #62
                                                Originally posted by will76
                                                Until girls start giving it away in masses, the webcam site will always do well. You might have a few girls here or there giving it away but most are not attractive, and its not many. Webcams always act as a good upsell to the pictures and videos. Not everyone can afford them but the people who can afford them are usually the ones not satisifed with recorded content or still images. It only takes a couple big whales to = 100 membership site customers.

                                                Good luck!
                                                Hey Will, why did you stop blogging for Xbiz? I liked your blogs.

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                                                  • Paul Markham
                                                    Too old to care
                                                    • Jun 2001
                                                    • 52942
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by qxm
                                                    yeap.. content sites have really taken a dive... time to re-think the entire business model.....
                                                    It was time to rethink the business 2-3 years ago. A few changed and fewer affiliates bothered to do anything about either.

                                                    Originally posted by PornHero
                                                    Hi John, I agree there is still money to be made with paysites, its just that as an affiliate, the paysite model is on the decline overall.

                                                    I want to put my business in front of a wave rather than trying to surf a dying one.
                                                    If you think the cam business is on a wave I have news for you, they are closing, cutting back on girls or losing them because of the lack of money they make. Woro on bot sectors if tyou want to stop the drop.



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                                                      • Nicky
                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                        • 30071
                                                        #64
                                                        Paysites need to be more interactive and include live cams in their members package.

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                                                          • Turf
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                                                            • Jul 2001
                                                            • 1865
                                                            #65
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                                                              • redwhiteandblue
                                                                Bollocks
                                                                • Jun 2007
                                                                • 2785
                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by PornHero
                                                                Everyone is going thru crap right now. Alot of people walk into their 9-to-5 job these days wondering if today is the day they get a pinkslip. That would make you think twice about putting porn on your credit card at 2 am the night before.
                                                                I think that's about right. Take that together with CC companies cutting limits, banks scrubbing high risk transactions, Google pushing torrent sites above everyone else in the SERPs, and it's a wonder any of us are selling anything right now.
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                                                                  • st0ned
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                                                                    • Mar 2007
                                                                    • 8437
                                                                    #67
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                                                                      • YFG
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                                                                        • Feb 2003
                                                                        • 47
                                                                        #68
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                                                                          • johnuk
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Nov 2002
                                                                            • 648
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Originally posted by PornHero

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                                                                              • Gonzo Modeling
                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                • Aug 2009
                                                                                • 465
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by OrangeContent
                                                                                $14k a month is great, but not as good as your previous numbers. I can see why you think it's dead. Still a great profit though.
                                                                                14k a month is pretty good income

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                                                                                  • PornHero
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Feb 2001
                                                                                    • 1381
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                    It was time to rethink the business 2-3 years ago. A few changed and fewer affiliates bothered to do anything about either.

                                                                                    If you think the cam business is on a wave I have news for you, they are closing, cutting back on girls or losing them because of the lack of money they make. Woro on bot sectors if tyou want to stop the drop.
                                                                                    Hi Paul, thanks for posting

                                                                                    Well for the majority of the past 2-3 years by income was steadily increasing so I followed the rules - "If it aint broke, dont fix it." and "If it works, do it again. If it doesnt work, stop doing it."

                                                                                    And I understand if some cam businesses arent making the cut. Cams depend heavily on a free-wheeling consumer and those are few and far between right now.

                                                                                    I am going to sound here naive but: What do you mean by "bot sectors"? Thanks
                                                                                    PornHero.com

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                                                                                      • mopek1
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Jun 2004
                                                                                        • 3208
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                        If you think the cam business is on a wave I have news for you, they are closing, cutting back on girls or losing them because of the lack of money they make. Woro on bot sectors if tyou want to stop the drop.
                                                                                        Perhaps right now ... with the economy and such ... but when people have money again they will pay for something they can't get for free right? I mean this thread is about how paysites are dying because the product is sub-par and because it can be found free everywhere.

                                                                                        Cams can't be found on tubes/torrents. But I'm not sure if the product is sub-par at most cam sites since I don't know enough about them.

                                                                                        Are cams losing $$ cause the product offered sucks or because people lack money. If it's the former or both then when people DO have money again will cams pick-up ??

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                                                                                          • mopek1
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Jun 2004
                                                                                            • 3208
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by PornHero
                                                                                            Hi Paul, thanks for posting

                                                                                            I am going to sound here naive but: What do you mean by "bot sectors"? Thanks
                                                                                            Yeah ... what he said ...

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                                                                                              • missyouth
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Aug 2007
                                                                                                • 245
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                There are still lots of money in paysite....u just need to work harder at it = )
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                                                                                                  • weekly
                                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                    • Dec 2005
                                                                                                    • 1785
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    What I don't get, is with the numbers that are being tossed around today, why any of you guys still do this. Plumbers make more and work less.

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                                                                                                      • Manowar
                                                                                                        jellyfish  
                                                                                                        • Dec 2003
                                                                                                        • 71528
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        the poker sites are what the tubes are using to monetise now

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                                                                                                          • sysk
                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                            • Aug 2007
                                                                                                            • 1005
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Originally posted by Manowar
                                                                                                            the poker sites are what the tubes are using to monetise now
                                                                                                            sad but true... Maybe someone should try a strip poker site?
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                                                                                                              • HowlingWulf
                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                • Nov 2001
                                                                                                                • 1662
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                PornHero what would you say makes the bulk of your traffic?
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                                                                                                                  • nikki99
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                                                                                                                    • Nov 2004
                                                                                                                    • 23072
                                                                                                                    #79
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                                                                                                                      • Paul Markham
                                                                                                                        Too old to care
                                                                                                                        • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                        • 52942
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by PornHero
                                                                                                                        Hi Paul, thanks for posting

                                                                                                                        Well for the majority of the past 2-3 years by income was steadily increasing so I followed the rules - "If it aint broke, dont fix it." and "If it works, do it again. If it doesnt work, stop doing it."

                                                                                                                        And I understand if some cam businesses arent making the cut. Cams depend heavily on a free-wheeling consumer and those are few and far between right now.

                                                                                                                        I am going to sound here naive but: What do you mean by "bot sectors"? Thanks
                                                                                                                        The sponsors followed the same route, even when it was clear the model was broke.

                                                                                                                        Bot sectors is both sectors. Was suffering yesterday and not operating 100%

                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Nicky
                                                                                                                        Paysites need to be more interactive and include live cams in their members package.
                                                                                                                        Been saying it for ages, but no one needed to change so they did not bother, they just threw more traffic at the sites.

                                                                                                                        Originally posted by mopek1
                                                                                                                        Perhaps right now ... with the economy and such ... but when people have money again they will pay for something they can't get for free right? I mean this thread is about how paysites are dying because the product is sub-par and because it can be found free everywhere.

                                                                                                                        Cams can't be found on tubes/torrents. But I'm not sure if the product is sub-par at most cam sites since I don't know enough about them.

                                                                                                                        Are cams losing $$ cause the product offered sucks or because people lack money. If it's the former or both then when people DO have money again will cams pick-up ??
                                                                                                                        Cam studios were closing or cutting beck long before the recession. One of the biggest studios in Brno closed down over a year ago. Plus cam girls have been coming for castings for year complaining about the money they earn, most of them are not pretty enough and have no life in them. In my experience they rarely make good models, they just go through the motions.

                                                                                                                        Originally posted by missyouth
                                                                                                                        There are still lots of money in paysite....u just need to work harder at it = )
                                                                                                                        No sponsors need to work hard at converting the traffic they get now. Not work at getting more people to send more traffic to sites that don't convert.

                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Nicky
                                                                                                                        Paysites need to be more interactive and include live cams in their members package.
                                                                                                                        One of the ways they could both help each other.



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                                                                                                                          • Stardust_
                                                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                            • Aug 2005
                                                                                                                            • 141
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            Your 'solution' to 50% income loss is ... promoting webcams?????????????

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                                                                                                                              • PornHero
                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                • 1381
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Stardust_
                                                                                                                                Your 'solution' to 50% income loss is ... promoting webcams?????????????
                                                                                                                                Yes Considering the reasons for the decline in my paysite income, I think webcams is the next logical product/service to focus on promoting. I realize I now need to diversify from paysites. I am simply applying my promotion skills to a similar market.

                                                                                                                                Notice I said "focus". In this business you need to focus on a market. You can't just expect to throw up a variety of links on a webpage and expect to make big money like you could in 1997.

                                                                                                                                I have done far above average promoting paysites when everyone and their grandmother were already promoting the same sites. I am not your average adult webmaster. I figure once I enter the webcam market I will basically be taking webcam sales away from newbies and part-timers and giving other pros a run for their money.

                                                                                                                                My income from webcams right now is effectively $0/month. I dont need to rule the webcam world. My goal is to bring in a few grand a month with webcams to start and then take it from there

                                                                                                                                These are lean times overall in the economy. Everyone has taken a hit in the past year and trying to figure out what to do next.

                                                                                                                                What's your solution? I'd love to hear it.
                                                                                                                                PornHero.com

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                                                                                                                                  • PornHero
                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                    • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                    • 1381
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by HowlingWulf
                                                                                                                                    PornHero what would you say makes the bulk of your traffic?
                                                                                                                                    I specialize in getting on the first page of Google for brandname keywords. Being on the first page of google for keywords like "Twistys", "FTV girls" or "Met models" etc has been very profitable.

                                                                                                                                    I then trade traffic between my internet properties and try to only send surfers to join pages. Sending a surfer to a sponsor's tour or hosted galleries is a waste of traffic in my opinion. It benefits a sponsor more than it benefits you.
                                                                                                                                    PornHero.com

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                                                                                                                                      • RadicalSights
                                                                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                        • Mar 2009
                                                                                                                                        • 1595
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        14k a month = dead?

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                                                                                                                                          • Nautilus
                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                            • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                                            • 1631
                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Are you sure you're going to get enough of webcam related SE traffic? I was under the impression that there is far less of SE traffic searching for webcams than there is searching for porn.
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                                                                                                                                              • Dirty Dane
                                                                                                                                                Sick Fuck
                                                                                                                                                • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                                                • 9491
                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                Webcams is not really new. If you have good SE traffic on quality paysites like FTV and MET, you should try to keep that too.

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                                                                                                                                                  • PornHero
                                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                    • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                                    • 1381
                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    14k a month = dead?
                                                                                                                                                    I hope I am wrong about paysites - but for 5 years my income continually went up month after month after month. For the past year, its been going in the other direction. I am not waiting to hit $0/month with paysites to make my move.

                                                                                                                                                    Webcams is not really new. If you have good SE traffic on quality paysites like FTV and MET, you should try to keep that too.
                                                                                                                                                    Definitely I will keep what I have right now I just need to diversify my income from relying purely on the paysite/video model.

                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Nautilus
                                                                                                                                                    Are you sure you're going to get enough of webcam related SE traffic? I was under the impression that there is far less of SE traffic searching for webcams than there is searching for porn.
                                                                                                                                                    My experience is that the quantity of traffic is not as important as the quality. Sometimes less people looking for something actually converts into more $$$.
                                                                                                                                                    PornHero.com

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                                                                                                                                                      • Raf1
                                                                                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                                        • 12117
                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        well pornsites aren't a money maker like a few years ago...
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                                                                                                                                                          • Nicky
                                                                                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                            • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                            • 30071
                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by PornHero
                                                                                                                                                            My experience is that the quantity of traffic is not as important as the quality. Sometimes less people looking for something actually converts into more $$$.
                                                                                                                                                            yep, true true.

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                                                                                                                                                              • mopek1
                                                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                • Jun 2004
                                                                                                                                                                • 3208
                                                                                                                                                                #90
                                                                                                                                                                Paul - Regarding webcams: How do you find girls - or sites with girls that have personality or a spark (= a good product to sell). Actually ... are webcams a 'good product' ?

                                                                                                                                                                PornHero - Do you always send surfers to join pages? Any exceptions? What about general traffic? Don't they need to see what the site is all about first?

                                                                                                                                                                Thanks ...

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                                                                                                                                                                  • Storm_Tracker
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                                                                                                                                                                    • Nov 2005
                                                                                                                                                                    • 355
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                                                                                                                                                                    See my Sig Nig!
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                                                                                                                                                                      • trevesty
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                                                                                                                                                                        • Aug 2006
                                                                                                                                                                        • 3810
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                                                                                                                                                                        I along with TheSenator definitely recommend www.bigbucksnow.com
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                                                                                                                                                                          • HouseHead
                                                                                                                                                                            #93
                                                                                                                                                                            PornHero, do you run any Exits? Or members area upsells?

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                                                                                                                                                                              • HouseHead
                                                                                                                                                                                #94
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by mopek1
                                                                                                                                                                                Paul - Regarding webcams: How do you find girls - or sites with girls that have personality or a spark (= a good product to sell). Actually ... are webcams a 'good product' ?

                                                                                                                                                                                PornHero - Do you always send surfers to join pages? Any exceptions? What about general traffic? Don't they need to see what the site is all about first?

                                                                                                                                                                                Thanks ...
                                                                                                                                                                                I think at times a well put together tour can convert just as well as a FHG

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Dave-U
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Sep 2008
                                                                                                                                                                                    • 929
                                                                                                                                                                                    #95
                                                                                                                                                                                    Although Mickey has replied already from AWe, here's my ICQ below...
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                                                                                                                                                                                      • PornHero
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 1381
                                                                                                                                                                                        #96
                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by mopek1
                                                                                                                                                                                        PornHero - Do you always send surfers to join pages? Any exceptions? What about general traffic? Don't they need to see what the site is all about first?

                                                                                                                                                                                        Thanks ...
                                                                                                                                                                                        When ever I can, I find doing the selling myself and maintaining the surfer on my pages works better in the long run. On most of my pages the only outbound links you will find are to join pages or to my other sites.
                                                                                                                                                                                        PornHero.com

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • PornHero
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                            • 1381
                                                                                                                                                                                            #97
                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by HouseHead
                                                                                                                                                                                            PornHero, do you run any Exits? Or members area upsells?
                                                                                                                                                                                            I dont run exits or member area upsells b/c I don't run any paysites.
                                                                                                                                                                                            PornHero.com

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                                                                                                                                                                                              • PornHero
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 1381
                                                                                                                                                                                                #98
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Dave-AWE
                                                                                                                                                                                                Although Mickey has replied already from AWe, here's my ICQ below...
                                                                                                                                                                                                I just added you to ICQ, thanks Dave
                                                                                                                                                                                                PornHero.com

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jago Webcams
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Dec 2005
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 694
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #99
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Dirty D
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        • May 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 4044
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #100
                                                                                                                                                                                                        The answer is to offer everything....

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