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  • Applebite Media
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    • Apr 2018
    • 406
    #1

    This one better?

    Someone called the original one of this creepy. Girl daydreaming on a bed.. rough animation... I get it. Appreciate the advice....

    Made some changes, added a short story and smoothed out the animation.

    Still creepy? Maybe depressing as hell... (sound board... made a story from some of it LOL) But being soundboard audio, it's hard to get good voice expression....

    So anyway... thoughts.....

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    • CaptainHowdy
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Dec 2004
      • 94026
      #2
      She looks despairing . . .

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        • Ferus
          Bye - Left to do stuff
          • Feb 2013
          • 4102
          #3
          Depends on your motivation for the product:
          - Is it because you have fun doing it? then keep doing it, our oppinion dont count there
          - Is it something you can build to a business? no

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            • Applebite Media
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              • Apr 2018
              • 406
              #4
              Originally posted by Ferus
              - Is it something you can build to a business? no
              And what makes you say this? Please enlighten me mr. all knowing and all wise.

              I don't think it's too bad since I have only been learning this since the end on Jan. No mocap equipment so all the animation manual or from stock movements. The mouth and facial will be better once I get facial recognition.

              In case you haven't noticed, animation has/is exploded/ing... games, movies... So please expand on the above
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                • Applebite Media
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                  • Apr 2018
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                  #5
                  Originally posted by CaptainHowdy
                  She looks despairing . . .
                  Did you watch it? She sounds it too. It's about a girl that lost her new job. From a soundboard called "The Submissive Maid". Fun stuff there but they do not blend into others well as you can tell by the way she is talking in this video.
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                    • Ferus
                      Bye - Left to do stuff
                      • Feb 2013
                      • 4102
                      #6
                      Originally posted by Applebite Media
                      And what makes you say this? Please enlighten me mr. all knowing and all wise.

                      I don't think it's too bad since I have only been learning this since the end on Jan. No mocap equipment so all the animation manual or from stock movements. The mouth and facial will be better once I get facial recognition.

                      In case you haven't noticed, animation has/is exploded/ing... games, movies... So please expand on the above

                      #1 - Fact: Because its shit - movement, story, sound and gfx quality
                      #2 - Fact: Animation has/is NOT exploded. The general entertainment-market is growing, its just genereric market growth
                      #3 - FACT: Content sell based on quality - your content lack 3 out of 4 important market parameters

                      It's always the same with people like you. If the reply is positive or are alligned with your line of thought, you dont question it for a second. But the second someone question your content, you act like a 12 year old teen girl wanting her mothes compliments

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                        • Applebite Media
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                          • Apr 2018
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                          #7
                          Originally posted by Ferus
                          #1 - Fact: Because its shit - movement, story, sound and gfx quality
                          #2 - Fact: Animation has/is NOT exploded. The general entertainment-market is growing, its just genereric market growth
                          #3 - FACT: Content sell based on quality - your content lack 3 out of 4 important market parameters

                          It's always the same with people like you. If the reply is positive or are alligned with your line of thought, you dont question it for a second. But the second someone question your content, you act like a 12 year old teen girl wanting her mothes compliments
                          I think it is you that is the child here. All I asked was a little explanation. From your comments, at least in my posts, you like to say shit with no substance.

                          So, thank you for the expansion.. your opinion was noted. But that is all it is, an opinion. Shit? Sure, maybe for a seasoned professional, but as I mentioned, I just started this a couple of months ago. And in comparison to others that have been at this a little longer than me, it's pretty damn good.

                          And of course, there are ways of projecting constructive criticism but you chose the cuntly route.... congrats to you, but that seems to be your norm. You like to start shit it seems... in another post you labeled someone "Mr. Nice Guy of the Day" or something for offering a suggestion to me. See... Cuntly!

                          But I will admit... you made my morning... this was fun. Thanks for playing
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                            • Ferus
                              Bye - Left to do stuff
                              • Feb 2013
                              • 4102
                              #8
                              Originally posted by Applebite Media
                              in another post you labeled someone "Mr. Nice Guy of the Day" or something for offering a suggestion to me. See... Cuntly!

                              MrBaldBastard is one of the nicest guys here, and he went out of his way to offer your help on a different platform. You laughing at that, just proves my point about you are a person.

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                                • Applebite Media
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                                  • Apr 2018
                                  • 406
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by Ferus
                                  MrBaldBastard is one of the nicest guys here, and he went out of his way to offer your help on a different platform. You laughing at that, just proves my point about you are a person.
                                  No, I was not laughing at that and if you look at my response to him you would see that. Your remark seemed very sarcastic and it was you I was poking at. I guess that went over your head.

                                  I don't attack people, at least for no reason. Have I offended you at some point? Because you don't know me and I don't know you... so... why you such an asshole to me?

                                  I means seriously... You know you can block me if I offend you. Do you need instruction on how to do that?
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                                    • Ferus
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                                      • Feb 2013
                                      • 4102
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by Applebite Media
                                      Your remark seemed very sarcastic
                                      Dont blame your inability to comprehend on others

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                                        • Applebite Media
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Apr 2018
                                          • 406
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by Ferus
                                          Dont blame your inability to comprehend on others
                                          I could say the same from every thing you said in this thread. It would seem you failed to read anything I mentioned along with the video as your "criticism" pointed out a couple of thing I had actually mentioned.

                                          Oh well... maybe it's best you just ignore me. You seem to have an issue with me so maybe it's best... it will cause you less aggravation. It seems I push your buttons for some reason. Or maybe you are like this with everyone... I really don't read your posts unless they pertain to me so... I really don't know you at all nor to I care to get to know you.

                                          Take care princess... I wish you well.
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                                            • Ferus
                                              Bye - Left to do stuff
                                              • Feb 2013
                                              • 4102
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by Applebite Media
                                              I could say the same from every thing you said in this thread. It would seem you failed to read anything I mentioned along with the video as your "criticism" pointed out a couple of thing I had actually mentioned.

                                              Oh well... maybe it's best you just ignore me. You seem to have an issue with me so maybe it's best... it will cause you less aggravation. It seems I push your buttons for some reason. Or maybe you are like this with everyone... I really don't read your posts unless they pertain to me so... I really don't know you at all nor to I care to get to know you.

                                              Take care princess... I wish you well.

                                              Look at your own post shithead!
                                              1 - You ask for feedback and I provide it. And then right off the bat you reply with "Please enlighten me mr. all knowing and all wise"
                                              2 - MrBaldBastard gives you a great offer that I Applaude, and you turn that arround to something negative?

                                              If you cant handle feedback, why the fuck do you ask for it?

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                                                • Applebite Media
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Apr 2018
                                                  • 406
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by Ferus
                                                  Look at your own post shithead!
                                                  1 - You ask for feedback and I provide it. And then right off the bat you reply with "Please enlighten me mr. all knowing and all wise"
                                                  2 - MrBaldBastard gives you a great offer that I Applaude, and you turn that arround to something negative?

                                                  If you cant handle feedback, why the fuck do you ask for it?
                                                  Right over your head. You must have a hard life.
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                                                    • Ferus
                                                      Bye - Left to do stuff
                                                      • Feb 2013
                                                      • 4102
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by Applebite Media
                                                      Right over your head. You must have a hard life.
                                                      "Right over your head" in your world, dont even reach the top of my legs. Answer the fucking question instead of deflecting

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                                                        • Grapesoda
                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                          • 46234
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by Ferus
                                                          MrBaldBastard is one of the nicest guys here, and he went out of his way to offer your help on a different platform. You laughing at that, just proves my point about you are a person.
                                                          maybe, in the other forum the guy is a total piece if shit

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                                                            • Applebite Media
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                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by Grapesoda
                                                              maybe, in the other forum the guy is a total piece if shit
                                                              Don't know either of them so cannot comment on if they are nice or not... but ferus seems to have a hard-on for me for some reason. He is trying to make nothing into something. Typical keyboard bully. No biggie. Every site has one.
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                                                                • Ferus
                                                                  Bye - Left to do stuff
                                                                  • Feb 2013
                                                                  • 4102
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by Applebite Media
                                                                  Don't know either of them so cannot comment on if they are nice or not... but ferus seems to have a hard-on for me for some reason. He is trying to make nothing into something. Typical keyboard bully. No biggie. Every site has one.
                                                                  You asked for feedback, you got feedback, you dont like feedback = I must be a bully

                                                                  Grats on getting nominated for the GFY Award "Self-entitlement moron of the year"

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                                                                    • lezinterracial
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                                                                      #18
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                                                                        • BaldBastard
                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                          • Jan 2001
                                                                          • 16820
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by Ferus
                                                                          MrBaldBastard is one of the nicest guys here, and he went out of his way to offer your help on a different platform. You laughing at that, just proves my point about you are a person.
                                                                          I fucking fart roses!

                                                                          Its incredible what can be done in 3d now and its no wonder because every collage in every city in every country is churning out 3d artists, so its extremely hard for anyone to get started from scratch because for every person doing that there's 100 more that have just finished years of schooling in 3d design of some sorts.

                                                                          Sadly for anyone starting that's the bar you have to reach, especially in mocap work where your competing with studios that have invested hundreds of thousands and have teams of staff for every aspect.

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                                                                            • EddyTheDog
                                                                              Just Doing My Own Thing
                                                                              • Jan 2011
                                                                              • 25433
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by Grapesoda
                                                                              maybe, in the other forum the guy is a total piece if shit
                                                                              I don't want to get into a fight on here - However, he just disagrees with a lot of what you say and makes good points to back it up - That doesn't make him a "a total piece if shit"(sic)...

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                                                                                • Applebite Media
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                                                                                  • Apr 2018
                                                                                  • 406
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by MrBaldBastard
                                                                                  I fucking fart roses!

                                                                                  Its incredible what can be done in 3d now and its no wonder because every collage in every city in every country is churning out 3d artists, so its extremely hard for anyone to get started from scratch because for every person doing that there's 100 more that have just finished years of schooling in 3d design of some sorts.

                                                                                  Sadly for anyone starting that's the bar you have to reach, especially in mocap work where your competing with studios that have invested hundreds of thousands and have teams of staff for every aspect.
                                                                                  Agreed... just like graphic design... schools start pumping them out like water.

                                                                                  The mocap is an issue... but I am breaking it down one at a time. Just ordered my facial recognition yesterday, should be here by Wed, 5/4. Knowing limitations is the key.. a lot of this stuff gets broken down into segments. I can provide the facial animation that can be added to someones animation later. Once I get the facial gear, I will have the ability to generate much better realism. It will read movements and expressions. It will also record 2 characters at the same time which can be useful.

                                                                                  I know I have a long way to go... shit, I just started doing this end of Jan. this year. But the videos get better with each one. I should have left the original up for comparison. That was my bad.

                                                                                  I do not mind criticism, it helps me get better. However some people don't know the difference between being Frank and being Dick... (Best line in Planet Terror ). And I think I gave this person a bad taste with my one post about the trial we had here where he was bitching about it being political when it was just about the trial. It seems since then, he has had an issue with me. No biggie, I am not losing sleep over it.

                                                                                  Anyway.... with luck, this new set up will give the faces life... I am looking forward to Wed. Oh and there is a bonus, this works with the 2D software I have as well. Like a kid at Christmas
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                                                                                    • Ferus
                                                                                      Bye - Left to do stuff
                                                                                      • Feb 2013
                                                                                      • 4102
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Applebite Media
                                                                                      And I think I gave this person a bad taste with my one post about the trial we had here where he was bitching about it being political when it was just about the trial. It seems since then, he has had an issue with me.
                                                                                      .. no. I commented on your content, that in my professional opinion is pure shit. But if you enjoy doing it, I said you should keep doing it. Nothing more - nothing less.

                                                                                      ... trying to make it into something else, might make sence in your delusional mind - but that is your problem.

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                                                                                        • CaptainHowdy
                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                          • Dec 2004
                                                                                          • 94026
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          You just don't nick yourself Ferus for the fuck of it . . .

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                                                                                            • Idigmygirls
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Jan 2007
                                                                                              • 498
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by Applebite Media
                                                                                              Someone called the original one of this creepy. Girl daydreaming on a bed.. rough animation... I get it. Appreciate the advice....

                                                                                              Made some changes, added a short story and smoothed out the animation.

                                                                                              Still creepy? Maybe depressing as hell... (sound board... made a story from some of it LOL) But being soundboard audio, it's hard to get good voice expression....

                                                                                              So anyway... thoughts.....

                                                                                              Thanks for posting your project! As a professional, here's my thoughts:

                                                                                              Not bad at all for a layperson. The subject is outfitted in an appealing and suggestive stylized outfit. I found myself glancing downward/upskirt a few times to see how revealing she was. That's a good sign for a scene.

                                                                                              The primary thing that makes this not work is the thing you already know about: the facial animations don't sync to the voice. That's a non-starter and it draws all the focus away. Once you get mocap for lip sync and facial expression, the same scene would be 50x better!

                                                                                              The voice work is superb! The lighting and shading are well done. I like the texture map for the skin and particularly the face, though there's probably better skin shaders out there (so B+ at least on that part).

                                                                                              The map is good and well textured too, and the breast motion looks good (B grade from me, which is still pretty good).

                                                                                              I wouldn't lose faith. You've got some ways to go, but as you've said repeatedly, you only started in January!

                                                                                              Please post an update when you fix the facial animation!
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                                                                                                • fastball
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                                                                                                  • Apr 2021
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                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Speaking as a non professional in animation, but very proficient in VR, I would say it is really fucking good. As Idigmygirls said, it is suggestive and sexy. If you have only been doing this since January, I think you knocked it out of the park. I know VR took a few years to get right, so this is very impressive whether for commercial gain or just creative fun.

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                                                                                                    • Applebite Media
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Apr 2018
                                                                                                      • 406
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Thanks Idigmygirls and Fastball.

                                                                                                      Facial Mocap Tuesday, unless ups misplaces my package LOL.

                                                                                                      The comments are very much appreciated. Textures, yes, I am still learning those as well, more for scene creation than anything. The characters are pretty much stock. I have the ability to add things like freckles, tattoos, wrinkles etc, to get more realism out of them. I can also morph out just about any part of the character to create a plethora of human type characters.

                                                                                                      Lighting is also something I am working on as well... it's not the greatest and I have been told that I can get better realism with better lights. I have been lighting pretty much the same way I was lighting for models back in the day... Should be the same but these computer lights seem to have more adjust-ability than lights on stands.

                                                                                                      One thing I have a hard time with is moving around in the 3D environment. When I move around, I end up behind walls, under the floor, outside... Trying to maneuver around a tiny 3D apartment takes some getting use to. It's not like RL when you just place things where you want them... sometimes its a challenge to get to the right spot in the 3D world. LOL.

                                                                                                      Chipping away one thing at a time, trying to get smooth walking on a motion path with 2 90 degree turns. The walking part is easy, adding the manual turns are still choppy as hell.

                                                                                                      Again, I thank you for your honesty and suggestions of where to improve!
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