Thank you President Obama

theres 2 sides to every story...

Here's some more on the same topic:

State health authorities have already confirmed that if the government were to announce a mandatory vaccination program, then there would be no exemptions whatsoever and the program could be carried out with the use of force if necessary.

As reported by CNS News earlier this month, a health-care reform bill approved by the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pension Committee called The Affordable Health Choices Act, will fund the creation of state “intervention” teams that will carry out home visits in order to check that both children and adults have been vaccinated and also provide “provision of immunizations”.

yep

Care to provide one?

got a link?

What's the other side?

That other countries will now provide the research and we'll move yet another thing offshore?

Plenty of other countries who are wayyyy advanced on drug research.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/arkansas...itutional.html

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/conten...x?RsrcID=51115

They shoot me with a needle without my permission or my kids I shoot them.. Fuckin hate the vaccinations they already force on kids.

Remembering how many shots I got in the military and didn't have a choice, this is kinda scary!

hahaha!! just talk

Drug companies make Hundreds of Billions of dollars a year, much of it by squeezing exorbitant amounts of money out of people who don't have it, but have no choice except to pay it.

Please don't tell me that drug companies and investors in the industry don't have the desire to continue making new medicines.

An estimated $5 Billion Dollars will be made in the next six months from the Swine Flu vaccines alone.
No money to keep going? pffffft

You're just mad because the Obama Health Plan is a way to kill old people.

I still agree with socialized medicine. It works in Cuba where the government has barely any money, it has to work in the US.

I know right!! I remember when I arrived in Paris Island I was given so many shots... they literally swab up and down both arms and legs and then you go through a line with about 18 stations... each one gives you a different shot... who the fuck knows what was in those things...

Not to mention deploying to another country where you get at least an 8 shot series... don't even get me started on the Anthrax vaccination that I got all 6 shots in the series for... people that refused were stripped of rank and pay. Then months later when they said, "Opps! It may cause birth defects and not really be effective and we don't know the proper dosage" everyone that refused was given their rank and pay back.

For those of you that don't know that 6 shot series is brutal. It gives most people horrible nightmares from which you wake up in a pool of your own sweat... Many peoples' arms swell to over twice their normal size and whatever arm you were vaccinated in is useless for about two days... that's FUCKED up.

you are an idiot.

these are DRUG COMPANIES, greedier than oil companies, and you somehow think drug research has come to a standstill?

What would you prefer Obama does regarding health care reform? Nothing right?

obama dick case :D

How long did your "friend" have to wait so far?

"It is too early to declare victory but investors seem increasingly confident that the healthcare industry may not take a big profit hit from reforms being hammered out in Washington."

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/reuters/...-ANALYSIS.html

Other potential winners include hospitals as well as biotech drugmakers, who were handed a victory earlier this month when the Senate health committee backed legislation giving them 12 years of protection from generic competition.

It remains unclear how much exclusivity the House plan will include. Generic drugmakers want just five years of brand-name protection, while the White House supports seven years.

"Unfortunately, most health care "reform'' proposals either make marginal changes or exacerbate the problem. This is because they fail to address the root of the problem with health care, which is that government polices encourage excessive reliance on third-party payers. The excessive reliance on third-party payers removes all incentive from individual patients to concern themselves with health care costs. Laws and policies promoting Health Maintenance Organizations (HMOs) resulted from a desperate attempt to control spiraling costs. However, instead of promoting an efficient health care system, HMOs further took control over health care away from the individual patient and physician.

Furthermore, the predominance of third-party payers means there is effectively no market for individual health insurance polices, thus those whose employers cannot offer them health benefits must either pay exorbitant fees for health insurance or do without health insurance. Since most health care providers cater to those with health insurance, it is very difficult for the uninsured to find health care that meets their needs at an affordable price. The result is many of the uninsured turn to government-funded health care systems, or use their local emergency room as their primary care physician. The result of this is declining health for the uninsured and increased burden on taxpayer-financed health care system.

Returning control over health care to the individual is the key to true health care reform. The Comprehensive Health Care Reform Act puts control of health care back into the hands of the individual through tax credits, tax deductions, Health Care Savings Accounts (HSA), and Flexible Savings Accounts. By giving individuals tax incentives to purchase their own health care, the Comprehensive Health Care Act will help more Americans obtain quality health insurance and health care. Specifically, the Comprehensive Health Care Act:

A. Provides all Americans with a tax credit for 100 percent of health care expenses. The tax credit is fully refundable against both income and payroll taxes.

B. Allows individuals to roll over unused amounts in cafeteria plans and Flexible Savings Accounts (FSA).

C. Makes every American eligible for a Health Savings Account (HSA), removes the requirement that individuals must obtain a high-deductible insurance policy to open an HSA; allows individuals to use their HSA to make premiums payments for high-deductible policy; and allows senior citizens to use their HSA to purchase Medigap policies.

D. Repeals the 7.5 percent threshold for the deduction of medical expenses, thus making all medical expenses tax deductible.

By providing a wide range of options, this bill allows individual Americans to choose the method of financing health care that best suits their individual needs. Increasing frustration with the current health care system is leading more and more Americans to embrace this approach to health care reform. For example, a poll by the respected Zogby firm showed that over 80 percent of Americans support providing all Americans with access to a Health Savings Account. I hope all my colleagues will join this effort to put individuals back in control of health care by cosponsoring the Comprehensive Health Care Reform Act. "

Oh, I know that's where I always go for reputable news. A conspiracy source, or an anti-Obama source. You'll always get the truth there.

I don't read either site, they were forward to me earlier today. However facts are facts... I do agree though that the verbiage on those pages is all kinds of skewed :P I don't support either site I'm sure I could find more credible sources if I really cared about this specific issue that much. Most likely I won't care until it drops in my lap from more credible sources later on down the line (if at all).

I could feel this thread actually make me dumber.

I am hearing from friends they are receiving letters from their doctors saying they will close their practice if Obama's health "care" passes.

yep a bunch a shit

All the ObamaCare supporters up in here, read my last (larger) post and tell me what you think. I'm always up for hearing a well thought out response from the other side

Like CBS? That declares a health care crisis when their own polls show 80% of people happy with their health care?

Yeah, thank you Obama. For trying to level the playing field in the health care industry. Maybe my good friend wouldn't be paralyzed today if she wasn't forced to use an HMO that put her off year after year sending her to a chiropractor for her pain.

When obviously it was something else, why not send her to some bullshit when you're going to get paid anyway and really there is no alternative.

Thanks Obama for a good idea.

FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR IT !

They aren't facts. They're speculation.

Conspiracy theories, of which has been going on for a long long time now, about a mandatory vaccination program. It probably creeps up with every president. It was certainly all over these sites during the Bush years. It's like the boy who cried wolf. We'll never know what to believe, or when to believe it.

Polls are based on opinion, not facts or evidence. You shouldn't source one or two places for your information. You shouldn't always source the same few sites that always agree with your political motivation. I personally prefer to use contradicting sources, and make up my mind after reading the different biases presented.

Are you really defending PrisonPlanet though? Seriously?

No prison planet is a joke much like CBS.

All I can tell you is if the government comes at me with a needle, I'll be coming at them with a gun.

cheers

Please

Bingo.

You're funny. I was talking to a Canadian friend of mine a couple days ago. He went in for a stomach pain. Doctor said with his history good chance it could be colon cancer.

He set him up for tests that will take place in October and he will get the results a month after that.

this isnt russia its y2k talk

[QUOTE A friend of mine works at a major medical research facility in LA, and I guess they are very upset with Obama right about now.

they don't know who is going to be the owners of any discoveries they may find."


If you read the extra fine print, I am the owner of the discoveries

oooops dble post

Orson Wells has arrived. They will force you to take their truth serum and make you into Stepford people, even if it takes force.

why don't you just move somewhere else if you think the US sucks so bad..

or at your age, why not start a revolution...

I was here first.

damn

thats what the indians (the woo woo's not the "welcome to 7-11" indians) and you see how that turned out for them...

.....

Way too much power and money for any politician to play with. States should seperate and go back to fending for themselves.

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Very true!