i guess known of you guys been sued, i get sued 3 to 5 times a year, The judge always ask can things be workout before going into a trial. then if this cant be work out, then it might go to trail. which might take another 3 to 6 months
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Nice, I still say - some of us may be too small to file lawsuits, but we can help the tube situation by just refusing to do business with anyone who allows their ads to be shown on an illegal tube site.Useful adult webmaster links -
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I wonder how far the rabbit hole goes for Bright Imperial - exactly how many shell companies and peripheral parties exist, shielding the true owner(s).Comment
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$40 million. That's a lot of money.
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who won? who lost?
one thing is for certain many more tubes will pop up in it's place....Comment
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So what was the result of this? Moving forward or not?Comment
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Like somebody said before, I doubt anything was settled in the first hearing. It's a 40 million dollar case apparently, this thing could take time.Previous owner of SoloRevenue
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If giving away free video becomes a crime we're all in for a different industry.
The authorities are not really interested in 2257, if they were they would of been checking sites that obviously don't have documents and not checking companies who are likely to have documents.I wonder if requiring 2257 for adult material on your server would be a better route to take?
redtube has stolen adult material. I don't think any for one second believes it was user uploaded. It was done by staff there. And even if it was, FREE ADULT MATERIAL should require 2257 documentation.
if it was truly user uploaded then there would be c p on the site, if it's checked for that, it should be also checked for 2257 on ALL adult material or the assumption is it's all underage models. They SHOULD be required to prove it in each and every video on their servers.
I also think the host SHOULD be liable as well if they become aware of a client posting adult material without 2257 documents.Comment
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The irony of it all, is that the adult industry- at least some of it - is fighting against unfair regulations, censorship, .xxx ... u name it... and the real criminals benefit under these shelters. By screwing those who fight "for" them.
At some point there will be a tipping point. Not only for adult industry, but on the internet in general. The politicians, especially the right/conservative ones, can just lean back and wait for the excuse. The ones crying most, when it happens, will be those who can't run a legal and fully open business.Last edited by Dirty Dane; 07-24-2009, 02:38 AM.Comment
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judge laughed them out of court - not sure why they chose go that route when i'm sure that Pornhub and all the big tube sites have Teen Revenue videos on them -proving that Pornhub and other tube sites in no way meet the criteria for safe harbor protection under the DMCA is far easier than the anti-trust argument.
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again one more of my predictions came true. judge laughed them out of court - not sure why they chose go that route when i'm sure that Pornhub and all the big tube sites have Teen Revenue videos on them -proving that Pornhub and other tube sites in no way meet the criteria for safe harbor protection under the DMCA is far easier than the anti-trust argument.
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It was a retarded case to begin with LOL. We've been talking about it in the office and I can't believe that teenrevenue guy was stupid enough to waste his time and money on this case. Oh well. I give him points for trying but it was a huge waste of a try.
I imagine nobody knew how it would turn out because the american legal system is so screwed up. The only hope was getting a brain dead judge. Unfortunately for him he didn't.Last edited by Shap; 07-26-2009, 08:07 PM.Comment
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I respect him having the balls to try something unfortunately it wasn't well thought out or researched. I'm guessing he was given bad advice.
On a personal note I'm not very well educated in the legal arena. I do my homework and get as much information as possible but for the most part when it comes to legal situations I rely on my lawyers for guidance. I'm not sure if this was Kevin's idea that he shoved down his lawyer's throat or their idea that they shoved down his.Comment
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my opinion is the exact opposite when you go after a dog of a case and lose you create a legal precedent that your opponents can use against you to further extend their rights.
not researching this case before, blindly going in with this dog has now absolutely established the law on the side of the tube sites. IT means arguements that could have won are going to have overcome this ruling to get by, making it way worse for everyone.
this cheerleader mentality has to stop, cheering a guy on waste money on dog of a case like this is actually the worst thing you can do for your industry.
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not the point i was making it was a snowballs chance in hell of winning
it would have been better if they never filed the case at all, the precedent set now and doubles if not triple the cost of legitimate arguements (like when you fully provide for the fair use rights of your customers).
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bunch of porn sites in court..Compound interest.Comment
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Was the entire case thrown out or just the part that claims the advertisers are "aiders and abettors"?jim (at) amateursconvert . com Amateurs ConvertComment
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wow that fucking sucks.
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For once I agree with Gideon. This was a stupid case and should never of been even thought of. Shows how much serious thought Kevin Cammarata put into it. He got terrible advice and never went anywhere else to get another opinion. His lawyer ripped him a new ass hole, maybe.
The legal route is not the route to go to beat Tubes, it will likely cost fortunes and achieve little. Might even set precedents that will make it harder and more expensive in the future.Comment
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the legal tide is turning against piracy but it's gonna be years - gideon can run around the room in circles making airplane noises but slowly judges are figuring out what's going on.
piracy is piracy, it's not such a gray area. we all know what Pornhub et all are doing - not so hard to convince a judge or jury.
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btw being it's Brazers whom owns many of these illegal tubes. Why doesn't someone sue them for unfair business practices? I'm sure it could be argued that they are trying to dilute their competitions content by giving it away for free on tube sites, causing their competition harm.In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.Comment
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says the guy who praising teenrevenue for going forward with this dog of a case.
unfair trade practices don't apply as long as the safe harbor makes their actions legal. you are trying to make the arguement that an action ruled by law to be perfectly legal is unfair.
it not going to win especially since the only reason the law protect them is because the copyright holder chooses not to fulfil the fair use rights of their customers.
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says the guy who praising teenrevenue for going forward with this dog of a case.
unfair trade practices don't apply as long as the safe harbor makes their actions legal. you are trying to make the arguement that an action ruled by law to be perfectly legal is unfair.
it not going to win especially since the only reason the law protect them is because the copyright holder chooses not to fulfil the fair use rights of their customers.
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says the guy who praising teenrevenue for going forward with this dog of a case.
unfair trade practices don't apply as long as the safe harbor makes their actions legal. you are trying to make the arguement that an action ruled by law to be perfectly legal is unfair.
it not going to win especially since the only reason the law protect them is because the copyright holder chooses not to fulfil the fair use rights of their customers.
So curious, wtf is it you do in this industry other than tell us all how great torrent and illegal tubes are?In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.Comment
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A hearing to strike the $40 million lawsuit brought by Internet adult entrepreneur...
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