it takes a lot of heart to post something like that, great post steve
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Excellent post Steve.Comment
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Very nice, Steve you've never been a cocky asshole even tho 99.9% of successful people in your situation are, that earns a TON of plus points, I'm proud to say "Lightspeed, Steve, is a friend of mine"
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If you were actually part of this industry you might understand what I'm talking about. Instead, you seem to delight in beating the ant's nest with a stick, just to watch everyone get upset.
Truth be told, you are the main reason I left GFY in the first place. You don't want anyone to succeed. You seem to delight in misery. So I feel sorry for you.
No, my new idea is not dead. It may actually benefit people like you, although that would not be by my choice.
I've asked you before to stay out of my threads, and I'll stay out of yours. Please reconsider that proposition, and get out of my life forever.Abra-cadabra!Comment
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amazing that you posted this... you were one of the first people who I learned to look up to from my very first show and your hospitality and friendship is refreshing. xoxoOdie
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Any person with a minimum amount of internet savvy knows many easy ways to get their porn for free, whether its off of tubes, or filesharing sites, or p2p networks. The knowledge of how to get free porn cements itself in the collective mindset of the world more and more every day. Reversing this trend is really a Herculean task and the person who said that it will only happen with laws being passed seems to be right. I don't know how else you change public conciousness; correcting the widespread opinion that they will never have to pay for porn. But if any positive change is to happen it starts with honest threads like this and people banding together and sharing ideas.Comment
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steve if i didn't want people to succeed i wouldn't have been telling you how to deal with tube traffic
do watermarking like the baseline testing we did and you can get 212% more type ins
do branding bugs right and you can turn those type in into search engine quality hits
do live intergration properly and conversions go back to levels they were befor the tube sites
do private trackers properly and you can increase retention, and keep your content locked down for free.
do product placement properly you could double or triple your production output.
only 2 of those 5 are innovative (something everyone including mainstream is doing wrong)
it possible to turn this "piracy" into the biggest money maker since the vcr
rockstars like you just don't listen.
interesting how you still will not listen even though you made this claim.Now, the ?Haves? are finding with the poor economy, and lack of new ideas, their businesses are actually shrinking. But how can they go back? Many of the ?Wants? with innovative ideas are now resentful, and unwilling to share. And the RockStars of the past find it difficult to let go of their egos.
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No good deed goes unpunished
No act of charity goes unresented
No good deed goes unpunished
That's my new creed
My road of good intentions
Led where such roads always lead
No good deed goes unpunished!
One question haunts and hurts
Too much, too much to mention:
Was I really seeking good
Or just seeking attention?
Is that all good deeds are
When looked at with an ice-cold eye?
If that's all good deeds are
Maybe that's the reason why
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Steve I think one of your biggest enemies is your ego. You let a little thread that exposed your drop in affiliate generated revenue drag you back here and you've been posting ever since trying to reestablish some sort of I'm not sure what. I don't know man it's really painful watching you these past few weeks.Comment
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Geez Shap that is mean. He said he was sorry and made a great thread. A majority of the people on here are not man enough to apologize for their behavior. If he wants to post on here that is his business. I think he is right that people in adult need to come together. It is so dumb that we all waste time trying to tear each other down. I do not see this thread as painful. I see it as honest and frankly there is not enough of that in the adult industry.
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you love it admit it
seriously i am a nashian game theorist
i am quick to forgive quick to retaliate
basic game theory
look back on every negative exchange we have ever had it only got nasty AFTER you started with your bullshit (stalker, theif, etc)
if you listened instead of attacked you have less enemies, learn something and make a lot more money.
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Hehe... that soundtrack got me through my entire freshman year, I think I've listened to it arooound 100 times. Actually, I went to the alma mater of one of the original cast, which is cool
Wow, really good eye! She's my latest VS crush, her face is too cute She reminds a lot of Jordan Capri now that I look at her... if only...
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That'll make GFY a little boring then. LOL.
I do agree that the companies need to start working together again. Remember all the trades that use to happen, when companies looked out for each other and generated sales to their competition ... don't see that much anymore.
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I think Steve is right. Instead of trying to make changes on the fly, and recreating the wheel, I think sometimes the best way to revamp something is to take a step back from it, re-access the situation and then jump back in with a new approach. Hope that works out for any and all who are willing.Comment
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nice post. very well said.
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Some of Gideon's points are obvious things that everyone or nearly everyone does already- watermarking the content for example. Branding bugs are the same thing as a watermark essentially, right? I wouldn't call that a separate thing. Having a live component is indeed a good idea if one can do it, although not everyone can make that happen.
However, product placement in adult is a non-starter. Who is going to pay for product placement in an internet porn video? And this private tracker idea that you seem to be obsessed with is something that no one know or cares about. How exactly is using a private tracker for a torrent of any use to make someone money? Gideon seems to keep harping on that idea, but I really don't see the application of it.Comment
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no one is doing watermarking right in this industry, everyone is using static watermarks. doing watermarks correctly is a lot more of science then just simply slapping your url on the video.
branding bugs is not the same thing as a watermark, it is closer to an info bug and that is significantly different.
if you can hire a girl to fuck on camera you can hire her to chat with the members after the scene airs for the first time. no one should have a problem adding a live component.
However no one is doing it correctly even when they have a live component to the site.
until you understand q-ratio and how to do a proper product placement, until you understand what makes a good product placement and a bad product placement.However, product placement in adult is a non-starter. Who is going to pay for product placement in an internet porn video?
if you don't know what you have to sell, no one is going to buy it.
And this private tracker idea that you seem to be obsessed with is something that no one know or cares about. How exactly is using a private tracker for a torrent of any use to make someone money? Gideon seems to keep harping on that idea, but I really don't see the application of it.
setting up a private tracker is fulfulling the fair use right people have to use torrents for free. Once that fair use right is provided for fully, other trackers can't hide behind that fair use right.
if you can't see how getting rid of illegal copies can make you more money, there is nothing i can do for you.
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Hehe... that soundtrack got me through my entire freshman year, I think I've listened to it arooound 100 times. Actually, I went to the alma mater of one of the original cast, which is cool
Wow, really good eye! She's my latest VS crush, her face is too cute She reminds a lot of Jordan Capri now that I look at her... if only...
Miranda Kerr is a hottie. I love her and Adriana Lima. She does kind of look like Jordan Capri.
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Gideongallery, could you name someone doing correct product placement in adult?
Cause the biggest of the big, with skilled marketers that have done this before, failed doing product placement in our Industry.
People that have done it before, can not get it work in adult.
Not saying some people don't make money doing it, but you might as well open up clip sites if you want to do that much work for little money.
It's not worth the employee costs to find products that are willing to work in adult. And porn names/products in mainstream films is a fail too.
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no one has done product placement properly
but that because everyone is trying to run the iron man before they even learn to walk.
when you jump so far ahead of the cycle you are only going to get a fraction of the value.
that being said some people are getting free goods for their videos.
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We're talking about massive experienced marketing people. Some that have done product placement for shows to movies. To many of the top marketers in the Industry, making hundreds of millions of year.. with enough money to toss at the wall until something sticks..
And you think, you have the answer?
I highly doubt it.. It doesn't work for one very very very simple factor. Porn isn't big enough, nobody is going to pay you what it's really worth, if they will give you the time of day.
Now the question is... have you ever tested this? What films? ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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Great post, Steve. I don't post much and don't attend the trade shows, but I've watched your posts over the years and admire anyone who can stay in the business for the long haul.
Here's to future success...
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Taking what you say as a given....
The adult industry is apparently leaving millions (if not billions) of dollars on the table. You are not running your own sites and monetizing these ideas? I am confused. You know how to watermark videos 'correctly' and how to do product placement 'properly.' Everyone else is clueless so you have a huge lead on the rest of the industry.
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The product placement is that round black area under the pointing finger.
Use it well and your revenues will go up with 20%I buy plugs
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You've always been someone I've looked up to in this industry... but your statement means shit to me now, but heh good show.Comment
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quite simple because i need to prove to a bunch of investors that adult videos would respond the same way as mainstream videos responded to those changes.
the base line test (the ones we did before we developed the innovative branding bugs stuff) was simple doing watermarking and product placement like it was done historically done in mainstream
. we used the q-ratio and tracked the viewer to response ratios, they are the same as mainstream.
on a point by point bases adult product placement work the same as mainstream
which is why i can say any one who claims that product placement doesn't work in porn just doesn't understand product placement.
using only whitelabels and custom domains you can do product placement right.
I know that was the test senerio we used.
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Ohhh I understand it greatly. Eyeballs the porn industry doesn't have.
You are talking about our traffic going out, to another source, right? Even though we are paid for it, our traffic.. branded to someone else, moving our traffic again away from us?
Rather than bringing traffic into our Industry?
It has a flaw for a reason... you may want to fire your marketing person. ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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Gideongallery is a smart cookie... like what he says or not, he knows what he is talking about more often than not.
He just happens to talk on a subject that gets peoples blood moving.
And thanks, I have worked damn hard to achieve my success at my age and how I have changed, it's crazy. I can't wait to see what another 10, 20, or 50 years in business will be like. ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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http://www.tube8.com/anal/french-girl-anal/1007/
7,697,245 views
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top rating 7.3 million viewers
right like that not exactly the same problem that tv shows have right now when they choose to do product placement. they balance the content vs traffic line very well, nothing says a porn company can't do the exact same thing.You are talking about our traffic going out, to another source, right? Even though we are paid for it, our traffic.. branded to someone else, moving our traffic again away from us?
Rather than bringing traffic into our Industry?
It has a flaw for a reason... you may want to fire your marketing person.
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That's 7.3 million that they can track in one series? And that's not raws views that's viewers. The tube8 video took 20 months to reach that many "raw" views, total.
And TV shows keep eye balls on the screen longer than the best porn every made. You can't guarantee someone will ever see a product placed in a porn flick, but you can put a % to the tv screen building up for the hype movement that you know everyone is watching.
I can't see a cut for Coke just before the guy dumps his load, or even something in the background, like a boat that nobody notices?
I understand what you are saying... it's another step on the money chain to add in, vod, ppv, hotels, stores, downloads, etc.. might as well do them all - IF YOU CAN.
But to take this direction, as a path to solve a problem is kind of crazy when I would bet most adult Companies have far more important things they could monetize or correct, that would make them more money in the long run.Last edited by TheDoc; 07-27-2009, 06:02 PM. ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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you don't get it
that one tube site
this video could/would have been submitted to dozens
vs national rating of a show across all the local affiliates that relayed programming.
second so what if it takes 20 months to get those viewership, product placement is a long term advertising solution
again this comes down to not understanding q-ratio. I suggest you actually look at episode of mowe referenced download it and watch. count the number of minutes that that edwards sport car was featured in the entire 2 hours episode (1.5 hours without commercial)And TV shows keep eye balls on the screen longer than the best porn every made. You can't guarantee someone will ever see a product placed in a porn flick, but you can put a % to the tv screen building up for the hype movement that you know everyone is watching.
getting coke to do a product placement in porn is like trying to sell tampons at a guys only gay bar. Get prodcut placements that are contextually relevent.I can't see a cut for Coke just before the guy dumps his load, or even something in the background, like a boat that nobody notices?
if you don't waste your time trying to get irrelevant placements. it not a waste. specifically because the views gotten when the content is pirated can count.I understand what you are saying... it's another step on the money chain to add in, vod, ppv, hotels, stores, downloads, etc.. might as well do them all - IF YOU CAN.
But to take this direction, as a path to solve a problem is kind of crazy when I would bet most adult Companies have far more important things they could monetize or correct, that would make them more money in the long run.
you make money when your video is "Stolen". You actually turn the problem into the solution.
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