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  • Sex9
    Confirmed User
    • May 2007
    • 155

    #1

    The game has changed and you have done nothing

    alrighty, so I am getting back into the porn thing and I have to say I am extremely disappointed...I just launched another legal tube site(it's a bit of a twist,if your curious it's in my sig)...but I was going to some tube listing sites and found this site: e p o r n e r dot com(i'm not going to link it here)...the quality of the videos is great. There really isn't a reason why anyone would want to join a paysite anymore...why? because here is what you offer:porn videos...maybe you update 5 times a day(that's only the best ones)....what does a tube site offer: porn videos....and they update more than that....and now their quality is starting to match what you offer.
    I don't want this to be another "tubes suck" post...I am pissed at the lack of effort and vision from adult companies.To me it doesn't seem like that hard of an equation:
    1.PROTECT YOUR FUCKING CONTENT. I am no expert on this, but there has to be ways of doing this that doesn't piss off your members..I will even give a way of doing it with flash(I am not suggesting that this is a solution--more of a "brainstorming" idea on something that does work to possibly lead to something else)...if you offered your movies as swf files with the flv file embedded in it...and maybe even your own swf player...you can put actionscript code that makes the videos only playable in that player...it's not complicated coding....yes I know there are always ways around everything..but you can do a ton of stuff that would make posting your content online a pain in the ass.
    2. START GETTING A BIT MORE ORIGINAL AND START OFFERING A MORE COMPLETE EXPERIENCE:porn seems to be all the same now. Companies keep launching new sites and putting out more content...it's all the same fucking thing. I really liked that the sexsearch guys did a direct your own porn movie at orgasm.com..I thought the actual product was stupid...but that fact that they were doing something unique and innovative was cool...I don't see anything unique or innovative going on at any big paysite these days...they just keep pumping out the same sites and wondering why conversions suck. If I can go see full length movies in high quality at a tube site...and it updates all the fucking time...what are you offering??? the exact same thing, except you update less and I have to pay for it.

    my whole point of this post was I see a ton of bitching, but every big paysite's answer to the problem is "lets do more"...more of the fucking same...it doesn't make any sense

    it is seeming to me that alot of the big players are just people that got in early...so now they are considered the "big guys"....but in fact they are just people that aren't that innovative and don't have a ton of biz sense....they were just at the right place at the right time
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  • d-null
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    • Apr 2007
    • 13724

    #2

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    • Mr Pheer
      So Fucking Banned
      • Dec 2002
      • 22082

      #3
      The problem is... this business is full of idiots, you cant talk sense into these people. And you damn sure cant get them to work together.

      Not that I care, I do my own thing and I do it by myself.

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      • stickyfingerz
        Doin fine
        • Oct 2005
        • 24984

        #4
        I've run out of breath preaching this, and up till recently got the "must give the customer what he wants and that is unlimited downloading and the ability to keep the content" finally in the last 6 to 8 months people are finally starting to have it sink in lol

        Imagine if you went to a peep show and were able to put in a dollar and watch the show for an endless amount of time...

        If adult would get back to the peepshow biz model profits would go through the roof, however it will never happen unless the gov steps in and stops all free porn. Too many people will just use the one up theory and try to give away more than the next guy to get traffic.

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        • bushwacker
          Confirmed User
          • Jun 2002
          • 2817

          #5
          Originally posted by Mr Pheer
          The problem is... this business is full of idiots, you cant talk sense into these people. And you damn sure cant get them to work together.

          Not that I care, I do my own thing and I do it by myself.
          Throw in all the scammers and scumbags, and you have a recipe for disaster.

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          • Sex9
            Confirmed User
            • May 2007
            • 155

            #6
            I really don't want my post directed at "everyone" in adult...in every biz their are a ton of dumbshits and scammers...what I am pissed about is the big players lame answer to the current situation...I have said this before and will say again...when I started doing adult(had a day job and was just doing little stuff)...the adult biz was touted as the innovator....now it's not.....not at all...
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            • Slutboat
              Confirmed User
              • Sep 2008
              • 2388

              #7
              It's not like this is an unprecedented problem - there is a clear history and remedy here if you look at what happened with napster and the RIAA. Who would have predicted the success of itunes during the napster rage just a few years ago. The big boys in this biz need to spend more on lawyers and less on Ferraris.
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              • halfpint
                GFY's Halfpint
                • Jun 2007
                • 15223

                #8
                You guys realize that some of the "big players" have thier own tubes right

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                • Sex9
                  Confirmed User
                  • May 2007
                  • 155

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Slutboat
                  It's not like this is an unprecedented problem - there is a clear history and remedy here if you look at what happened with napster and the RIAA. Who would have predicted the success of itunes during the napster rage just a few years ago. The big boys in this biz need to spend more on lawyers and less on Ferraris.
                  sort of...the music biz has changed(I'm a drummer in los angeles.so I do know what I speak of)...the old way of doing it does not work anymore...it just doesn't...the old days of putting out an album with 2 good songs on it and making people buy the entire album are dead...the music biz is changing...and they were forced to do it earlier than adult...there are big companies trying to hold on to the old way of things...but that is drying up...in porn all I see is big companies trying to hold on to the old biz model and not doing an ounce of change...it really is sad to see something that could be so great die at the hands of people with no vision
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                  • Sex9
                    Confirmed User
                    • May 2007
                    • 155

                    #10
                    Originally posted by halfpint
                    You guys realize that some of the "big players" have thier own tubes right
                    ...not about that...I say every big company should have a tube, that's what's out there and they have to compete....but for them to still offer the same product is FUCKING INSANE
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                    • Blackamooka
                      Confirmed User
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 495

                      #11
                      I glanced at your wall of text and decided you're an idiot.
                      The only way to comprehend what mathematicians mean by infinity is to contemplate the extent of human stupidity.

                      - Voltaire

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                      • SBJ
                        So Fucking Fabulous
                        • Apr 2003
                        • 11377

                        #12
                        Originally posted by halfpint
                        You guys realize that some of the "big players" have thier own tubes right
                        yup sad but true and if they don't have a tube they are paying for ad spots on the biggest tube sites

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                        • Sex9
                          Confirmed User
                          • May 2007
                          • 155

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Blackamooka
                          I glanced at your wall of text and decided you're an idiot.
                          so you are saying "I saw some words...did not read them...but have come to the conclusion by the fact that there were a bunch of words..you must be an idiot because you write with words?"

                          hmmm, not sure how to respond to that, but have a very nice day
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                          • Blackamooka
                            Confirmed User
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 495

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Sex9
                            so you are saying "I saw some words...did not read them...but have come to the conclusion by the fact that there were a bunch of words..you must be an idiot because you write with words?"

                            hmmm, not sure how to respond to that, but have a very nice day
                            Oh, so your "Enter" key DOES work.
                            The only way to comprehend what mathematicians mean by infinity is to contemplate the extent of human stupidity.

                            - Voltaire

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                            • halfpint
                              GFY's Halfpint
                              • Jun 2007
                              • 15223

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Sex9
                              ...not about that...I say every big company should have a tube, that's what's out there and they have to compete....but for them to still offer the same product is FUCKING INSANE
                              Not sure what you mean ? But if you are on about finding the same old content over and over on tubes, well you will on general tube sites but go to a niched tube and it is a diff story, anyhow I see the tubes in the future becoming more like social networks as webmasters/program owners try to make them even more interactive. Im starting to see this in the tube scripts that are coming out

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                              • PGR
                                Confirmed User
                                • Jul 2004
                                • 1753

                                #16
                                Maybe some sponsors look at tube sites as a form of free advertising. Affiliate sales are down, but how about type-ins? For all we know, they could be way up.
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                                • Sex9
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • May 2007
                                  • 155

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by halfpint
                                  Not sure what you mean ? But if you are on about finding the same old content over and over on tubes, well you will on general tube sites but go to a niched tube and it is a diff story, anyhow I see the tubes in the future becoming more like social networks as webmasters/program owners try to make them even more interactive. Im starting to see this in the tube scripts that are coming out
                                  I am not talking about tubes at all-just stating that their product is out there, I am talking about what the big players are offering as a product that a potential end user might pay for...paysites are offering the same product the tubes are offering, but not as good and the end user has to pay for it....the paysites have to offer something different...or.,..protect their content so that if you want to see their content...the only way to see it is to pay their fee...I would think the best option is to do both
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                                  • halfpint
                                    GFY's Halfpint
                                    • Jun 2007
                                    • 15223

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Sex9
                                    I am not talking about tubes at all-just stating that their product is out there, I am talking about what the big players are offering as a product that a potential end user might pay for...paysites are offering the same product the tubes are offering, but not as good and the end user has to pay for it....the paysites have to offer something different...or.,..protect their content so that if you want to see their content...the only way to see it is to pay their fee...I would think the best option is to do both
                                    Well they must be making $$$ from having thier products on tubes otherwise they wouldent do it. They either use the tubes to upsell other products which you cant get for free very easily like dating / webcams, ect or they use tubes to upsell memberships to paysites and also sell advertising space. I dont think they would do it if it wasent making them money

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                                    • Slutboat
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                                      • Sep 2008
                                      • 2388

                                      #19
                                      content publishers just need to stop giving out long clips - we all need to get together and say no more clips go out (I'm speaking about new content) longer than one minute in duration. No more feature length promos - with only short clips on all the tubes, people will start paying, people want duration and quality.
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                                      • Sex9
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • May 2007
                                        • 155

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by halfpint
                                        Well they must be making $$$ from having thier products on tubes otherwise they wouldent do it. They either use the tubes to upsell other products which you cant get for free very easily like dating / webcams, ect or they use tubes to upsell memberships to paysites and also sell advertising space. I dont think they would do it if it wasent making them money
                                        ..they are most surely making money with them--too many examples to post...when shap from twistys started allowing videos on tubes---everybody bitched...but this was the only smart thing to do and I have to say I really like that company...but they too aren't offering anything different(although their content rocks!)...they are just offering plane-ol video and pics...that model for a paysite WILL DIE...as tubes offer better video quality, people just won't purchase the "hey we have really good quality videos" sites anymore...
                                        here would be just a tiny example of what paysites could offer(again this is just a brainstorm)...musician sites and dvd's offer you the option of viewing the scene from different angels and slowing the video down...why aren't porn sites offering this?

                                        tubes aren't going anywhere. and I see the "adapt or die" mantra everywhere...I don't see it as anything more than paysites having to offer a better product....but, for some odd reason...they don't want to do that
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                                        • Sex9
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • May 2007
                                          • 155

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Slutboat
                                          content publishers just need to stop giving out long clips - we all need to get together and say no more clips go out (I'm speaking about new content) longer than one minute in duration. No more feature length promos - with only short clips on all the tubes, people will start paying, people want duration and quality.
                                          I really wish that would happen, but it won't....so the product has to change....with technology today there are so many things we could offer the consumer, but I guess everybody will stick to the "hey we got some good looking videos of chicks doin it" model...or maybe the "hey we got video of chicks doin it in a walmart so we are way different" model.. AWESOME!!!!!!
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                                          • stickyfingerz
                                            Doin fine
                                            • Oct 2005
                                            • 24984

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Slutboat
                                            content publishers just need to stop giving out long clips - we all need to get together and say no more clips go out (I'm speaking about new content) longer than one minute in duration. No more feature length promos - with only short clips on all the tubes, people will start paying, people want duration and quality.
                                            Most all of the content is stolen from members areas, then uploaded to sharing sites, tube sites, torrent sites etc.

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                                            • Blingbaby
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Mar 2006
                                              • 1079

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Sex9
                                              ...not about that...I say every big company should have a tube, that's what's out there and they have to compete....but for them to still offer the same product is FUCKING INSANE
                                              but they don't offer the exact same product. you can't download and *keep* tube content, not without giving contact info which opens you up for more upsells. just because you don't understand someone's strategy does not make it unsound. porn will not go away don't you worry about that..

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                                              • Pseudonymous
                                                Photographer/Owner
                                                • Apr 2006
                                                • 2661

                                                #24
                                                How come no responses regarding the protecting your videos comment he made? There has been no talks on that and nobody seems to address the area.

                                                I think if people start simply addressing that area, there goes a big portion of the problem out there no?

                                                Yet people keep dancing around that in their responses. And keep saying, offer better quality stuff. Yes that is one thing everyone should be doing anyway. But protecting your content should be #1.

                                                Why don't I see threads on this? Am I missing something?
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                                                • Sex9
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • May 2007
                                                  • 155

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Blingbaby
                                                  but they don't offer the exact same product. you can't download and *keep* tube content, not without giving contact info which opens you up for more upsells. just because you don't understand someone's strategy does not make it unsound. porn will not go away don't you worry about that..
                                                  ha...it is the same product...I used to want to save stuff on my hard drive because I didn't want download it again...now on a tube site I can just save it to my favorites...no need to download it...that "collector" mentality is a product of the generation of people who knew the internet when it was slow, kids today don't look at it that way(and yes there will always be people who want to have it on their hard drives---but that audience is shrinking)..I never would suggest that porn will go away...but todays crop of companies don't seem to be able to adapt and change to fit the marketplace....I think any stats figure will show you that is true.....
                                                  am I the only one who remembers that in the early days, mainstream media would always point out that porn was the area with the most innovation?...I haven't heard that in many,many years
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                                                  • Sex9
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • May 2007
                                                    • 155

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Pseudonymous
                                                    How come no responses regarding the protecting your videos comment he made? There has been no talks on that and nobody seems to address the area.

                                                    I think if people start simply addressing that area, there goes a big portion of the problem out there no?

                                                    Yet people keep dancing around that in their responses. And keep saying, offer better quality stuff. Yes that is one thing everyone should be doing anyway. But protecting your content should be #1.

                                                    Why don't I see threads on this? Am I missing something?
                                                    It blows me away!!! there are options, and no one even brings them up...if you have a product you are selling and it's good...people will pay for it if it's not available for free... I've heard countless times on this board that members hate DRM....well then come up with a better solution!!!!!!...I gave a vague possible solution earlier(although it would have to be more thought out).....this is your company...put some time in to your future.
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                                                    • stickyfingerz
                                                      Doin fine
                                                      • Oct 2005
                                                      • 24984

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Pseudonymous
                                                      How come no responses regarding the protecting your videos comment he made? There has been no talks on that and nobody seems to address the area.

                                                      I think if people start simply addressing that area, there goes a big portion of the problem out there no?

                                                      Yet people keep dancing around that in their responses. And keep saying, offer better quality stuff. Yes that is one thing everyone should be doing anyway. But protecting your content should be #1.

                                                      Why don't I see threads on this? Am I missing something?
                                                      Umm read my posts. lol I use a system in our members area that doesn't allow people to download the vids, and dissuades them from wanting to do screen capture recording. I hit up a bunch of the big cam and dating companies with the idea and wanted them to use the idea and develop it. Give away that for free, then add in upsells to their dating and cam programs. None were interested. I've been on my preaching pedestal for the last 2 years or so. I just don't care anymore. Let the industry self destruct till the gov comes in and starts really fucking with your profits.

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                                                      • fatfoo
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                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                        • 27763

                                                        #28
                                                        "protect your fucking content" is good, I like that. Important rule.
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                                                        • stickyfingerz
                                                          Doin fine
                                                          • Oct 2005
                                                          • 24984

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Blingbaby
                                                          but they don't offer the exact same product. you can't download and *keep* tube content, not without giving contact info which opens you up for more upsells. just because you don't understand someone's strategy does not make it unsound. porn will not go away don't you worry about that..
                                                          Best go look at some of the larger tube sites. They DO offer downloading the vids.

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                                                          • mmcfadden
                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                            • Oct 2008
                                                            • 5099

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                            Umm read my posts. lol I use a system in our members area that doesn't allow people to download the vids, and dissuades them from wanting to do screen capture recording. I hit up a bunch of the big cam and dating companies with the idea and wanted them to use the idea and develop it. Give away that for free, then add in upsells to their dating and cam programs. None were interested. I've been on my preaching pedestal for the last 2 years or so. I just don't care anymore. Let the industry self destruct till the gov comes in and starts really fucking with your profits.
                                                            I had a hard time reading alot of the text on this thread...

                                                            But I read your first 2 lines... yes... protect by not allowing to download. Flash works pretty good for me...

                                                            And pretty effective...

                                                            actually dating site that actually gave reall hookups would likely to REALLY REALLY well in this market... "i read the next couple lines"

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                                                            • Pseudonymous
                                                              Photographer/Owner
                                                              • Apr 2006
                                                              • 2661

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                              Umm read my posts. lol I use a system in our members area that doesn't allow people to download the vids, and dissuades them from wanting to do screen capture recording. I hit up a bunch of the big cam and dating companies with the idea and wanted them to use the idea and develop it. Give away that for free, then add in upsells to their dating and cam programs. None were interested. I've been on my preaching pedestal for the last 2 years or so. I just don't care anymore. Let the industry self destruct till the gov comes in and starts really fucking with your profits.
                                                              LOL and that's why I sit here confident about launching my new program while people sit around here saying this industry is going through hell. People are just clueless. Im glad tubes came around and got rid of these joe blows.
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                                                              • halfpint
                                                                GFY's Halfpint
                                                                • Jun 2007
                                                                • 15223

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Sex9
                                                                ..they are most surely making money with them--too many examples to post...when shap from twistys started allowing videos on tubes---everybody bitched...but this was the only smart thing to do and I have to say I really like that company...but they too aren't offering anything different(although their content rocks!)...they are just offering plane-ol video and pics...that model for a paysite WILL DIE...as tubes offer better video quality, people just won't purchase the "hey we have really good quality videos" sites anymore...
                                                                here would be just a tiny example of what paysites could offer(again this is just a brainstorm)...musician sites and dvd's offer you the option of viewing the scene from different angels and slowing the video down...why aren't porn sites offering this?

                                                                tubes aren't going anywhere. and I see the "adapt or die" mantra everywhere...I don't see it as anything more than paysites having to offer a better product....but, for some odd reason...they don't want to do that
                                                                I have seen a player on a porn tube that let you zoom in, I cant remember the site url and the site was pretty small. They are def changing and not remaining "static" because I can remember when porn tubes starting to get popular you couldent put your mouse cursor over the thumb of the movie and see a preview. You can do that on a lot of porn tubes now.
                                                                I think tubes will go two ways they will either die out like tgps and mpgs are doing now or they will become better and a lot more interactive or something else will come along and make the tube sites obsolete.
                                                                We will just have to wait and see or be inovative and come up with something better ourselves.
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                                                                • halfpint
                                                                  GFY's Halfpint
                                                                  • Jun 2007
                                                                  • 15223

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Also inline video ads were not about but they are popular now so Tubes are deff changing in supple ways
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                                                                  • stickyfingerz
                                                                    Doin fine
                                                                    • Oct 2005
                                                                    • 24984

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by mmcfadden
                                                                    I had a hard time reading alot of the text on this thread...

                                                                    But I read your first 2 lines... yes... protect by not allowing to download. Flash works pretty good for me...

                                                                    And pretty effective...

                                                                    actually dating site that actually gave reall hookups would likely to REALLY REALLY well in this market... "i read the next couple lines"
                                                                    Flash is only part of it. I run encrypted HD streaming video that is unrippable currently. Any old flash video I can rip in seconds.

                                                                    Originally posted by Pseudonymous
                                                                    LOL and that's why I sit here confident about launching my new program while people sit around here saying this industry is going through hell. People are just clueless. Im glad tubes came around and got rid of these joe blows.
                                                                    Not sure if you are saying "I" am clueless or the rest of the industry. Honestly this is the first time I've ever noticed your nick so not sure. Want to clarify your statement there? Im actually one of the names that gets brought up anytime anyone asks about protecting their content so...

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