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Watch the movie Idiocracy, especially the start. It explains the most stupid people are the ones who reproduce the most.
My wife has a friend who first got pregnant around 19, and since then she's popped out a kid roughly every 2 years. After the third one she said she was "getting fixed" but she's had 2 more since. She's a drug addict and from all accounts she's a pretty bad mother too. She got married but now they've split. I've heard stories about her oldest having to figure out what to cook because mum is too out of it. What a great environment for bringing up 5 kids in.......Comment
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Yea sadly the totalitarian impulse runs strong in today's society but it is somewhat surprising to see so much of it on a porn webmaster board. It is hard to believe that so many people believe the government has a legitimate right to interfere with peoples' lives in this fashion. Typical Marxists spouting their same old genocidal totalitarian fantasies...... all in the name of the "greater good" of course.They are mentally ill they cant help it. They think the should control others while not taking any steps themselves. They think they are above the peons and everyone should do what they think is right even if they themselves do not even attempt to do what is right.
Anyway the next time I hear any of the "one child policy" supporters in this thread ranting about freedom in some other context I think I will throw up.
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Nothing. I gave you two examples...
You can get diseases in your mouth and teeth, which people even died from in the old days.
You can get cancer, which could not be cured in the old days.
These diseases are not eliminated, but it can be cured individually.Comment
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Great more government intrusion, regardless of the reason I'm against it
The only situation that I can see this being viable is if you are on government financial support, IE welfare.
If I can afford to feed, clothe and house as many kids as I want, I should be able to have them without the government mingling in my business. Over population.. please there is no valid evidence that we are anywhere near that pointComment
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It was a joke.
I suppose if you define something that may or may not work as a cure then ok, but its not a real definition of a cure as there is no cure for cancer. Are you saying people died from gingivitis?Comment
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well, eradicated is the more accurate term used instead of prevented.
but as dirty dane pointed out,
there are diseases that habve been cured to the full extent of the definition, such as tuberculosis, bubonic plague, and other bacterial diseases.
and individual cases of cancer and such.Comment
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I would say a cure, as general cure, is something humans invented, that totally prevent a disease from developing in your body, regardless of your immune system from the day you were born. So basically a vaccine against diseases, could be considered as a cure - even if not all are offered the vaccine. The hepatitis B vaccine for example, which can cause liver cancer, could be consider a cure. Not cure against other causes, though.Comment
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"Later, the writers considered putting sterlization additives into drinking water and foods, acknowledging the notion "seems to horrify people more than most proposals for involuntary fertility control," but speculating that the public would be more open to it if developers could guarantee it was "free of dangerous or unpleasant side effects; and it must have no effect on members of the opposite sex, children, old people, pets, or livestock."
what a crock of shit... that's not what the original quote says... lol How can you have involuntary fertility control if you look for public approval
Original quote:
“Adding a sterilant to drinking water or staple foods is a suggestion that seems to horrify people more than most proposals for involuntary fertility control. Indeed, this would pose some very difficult political, legal, and social questions, to say nothing of the technical problems. No such sterilant exists today, nor does one appear to be under development. To be acceptable, such a substance would have to meet some rather stiff requirements: it must be uniformly effective, despite widely varying doses received by individuals, and despite varying degrees of fertility and sensitivity among individuals; it must be free of dangerous or unpleasant side effects; and it must have no effect on members of the opposite sex, children, old people, pets, or livestock.”
The public isn't suppose to know their water was medicated... but I guess no alot in this thread have a problem with that.. lolComment
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Aside from you thinking you can have and do what you will with as many children as your vagina can pop out, try driving in traffic. If that doesn't signal some sort of "hey, there's too many people" alert in your brain, something's wrong with you.
Further more, something's wrong that all the negative posts are just negative.
Hey! You fucking negative people! Throw out some ideas, because the only one that currently makes sense is some sort of population control. And it's just a discussion, so stop saying "fuck" all the time!
FUCK! Fucking FUCK fuck!
Great more government intrusion, regardless of the reason I'm against it
The only situation that I can see this being viable is if you are on government financial support, IE welfare.
If I can afford to feed, clothe and house as many kids as I want, I should be able to have them without the government mingling in my business. Over population.. please there is no valid evidence that we are anywhere near that pointYour post count means nothing.Comment
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what part of "1 child per person" doesn't make sense? One man... one woman... 2 kids allowed. If he remarries, and the new wife has no kids, she can have one. When the limit is reached, they would be required to be on birth control and or "get fixed".
It would be cheaper to pay for sterilizing them than to pay them every month to spit out kids they can't afford/don't want/etc. If they have more than the limit, a huge fine and jail time depending on the situation would be ideal.The kid would be taken away and put up for adoption.
imo people should be able to have as many adopted kids as they want. It's "new" births that are the problem.
The problem? lol.. there's no over population problem in the US... The fertility rate is about 2 per woman...Comment
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Where do you live?
I grew up in the San Fran area. There were too many people before I left. Last time I visited was worse ('06). Beaches I visited as a kid turned to shit holes because nobody could figure out where to dump waste. News reports warned people from eating fish from the Bay more than once a week due to pollution. How many other places do similar things occur? Is it because people are eating more healthy now? No. It's because infrastructure and environment can't support the population growth. Pay more taxes / control population... hot-button topic. I don't know. I do know a new tax won't disregard stop signs at an intersection because they're a pretentious fuck tard.
Just my $.02. And I'm probably insane. So... yea.Your post count means nothing.Comment
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funny movie and it makes a point.Watch the movie Idiocracy, especially the start. It explains the most stupid people are the ones who reproduce the most.
My wife has a friend who first got pregnant around 19, and since then she's popped out a kid roughly every 2 years. After the third one she said she was "getting fixed" but she's had 2 more since. She's a drug addict and from all accounts she's a pretty bad mother too. She got married but now they've split. I've heard stories about her oldest having to figure out what to cook because mum is too out of it. What a great environment for bringing up 5 kids in.......Comment
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That is the POINT idiot!!! - its not FORCED!!!Seriously you are fucked up in the head, fucked up like Hitler. No doubt about it.
Anyone who thinks they should control an others reproductive activity in anyway is seriously fucked up in the head.
There are 1000s of better ways to stop over population than FORCED abortions and sterilization.
But feel free to sterilize yourself at any point. No one is stopping you. Well wait, you are taking up the precious limited resources of the earth, should I get you a gun?Comment
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God damm it, its NOT eugenics. Why do you people keep saying it is? we are not talking about implementation of 200 year old racist ways of controlling people. We are talking about giving people incentives to not having to many children. Are you unable to understand the difference?
Do you preffere just ignoring the problem, and let people kill eachother for food and space in a few hundred years?Comment
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How about we tell the religious wings nuts on this planet to SHUT THE FUCK up and put in place proper sexual education in schools? Btw, the OP thread is about eugenics. Czar is for forced sterilization.God damm it, its NOT eugenics. Why do you people keep saying it is? we are not talking about implementation of 200 year old racist ways of controlling people. We are talking about giving people incentives to not having to many children. Are you unable to understand the difference?
Do you preffere just ignoring the problem, and let people kill eachother for food and space in a few hundred years?
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The single most annoying thing about people on GFY is that they continuously make statements based on absolutely nothing.
http://www.census2010.gov/compendia/...es/08s0010.pdf
The US population is expected to grow by over 100 million in the next 40 years./(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
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Well, being able to have the debate without people start yelling "eugenics" and "nazi" is the first step in the direction, but it seems that aint possible.
the OP TITLE was about eugenics, but the storie he reffered to, and the solution to the problem dont have anything to do with eugenics either.
The quotes was from a book about what could be done in the event that we WERE to many people on earth. We are not in that situation yet, but if we dont start talking about how we can regulate population in a way where people can choose to do it of free will, we will in the end up with a situation, where we can choose between doing it by force, or let billions of people starve to death, or kill eachother in the fight for food.
eugenics is about improving the qualities of the human species or a human population
population regulation is about making sure there is food and space for the next generations as wellComment
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By the way, here's the world population over the next few hundred years if it keeps increasing at the current rate:
2059: 11.9 billion
2109: 21.5 billion
2159: 38.9 billion
2209: 70.3 billion
2259: 127 billion
2309: 229 billion
2359: 415 billion
2409: 749 billion
2459: 1.4 trillion
2509: 2.4 trillion
2559: 4.4 trillion
2609: 8 trillion
Obviously, that's impossible. Growth will go down. The question we're faced with is how it will go down./(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
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By the way, here's the world population over the next few hundred years if it keeps increasing at the current rate:
2059: 11.9 billion
2109: 21.5 billion
2159: 38.9 billion
2209: 70.3 billion
2259: 127 billion
2309: 229 billion
2359: 415 billion
2409: 749 billion
2459: 1.4 trillion
2509: 2.4 trillion
2559: 4.4 trillion
2609: 8 trillion
Obviously, that's impossible. Growth will go down. The question we're faced with is how it will go down.
Don't worry, there will be a few crazies that will declare some type of war and keep the population down....Comment
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The bad thing is, is that you know there are some twits out there that idolize her and want to get their 15 minutes. Or worse, try to break her record. Which, in turn, would make them more fucked up than Octomom.Comment
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lol right back at you ignorant one...The single most annoying thing about people on GFY is that they continuously make statements based on absolutely nothing.
http://www.census2010.gov/compendia/...es/08s0010.pdf
The US population is expected to grow by over 100 million in the next 40 years.
"Every year, an estimated 1.7 million illegal immigrants enter the United States, most of them across the Mexico border. In 2005, US officials arrested and deported 1.2 million illegal immigrants, 85 per cent of them from Mexico. An estimated half a million manage to elude detection every year."
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/ne...#ixzz0LVYgDeRP
Perhaps math isn't your forte tho...
500,000 x 40years = 20 millions
Hispanic birth rate per woman = 3.2 http://www.popline.org/docs/1022/090180.html
Legal immigration is around 1,000,000 / year x 40 = 40 millions... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigra..._United_States
You see where this is going? Legal and Illegal immigration is the cause for the increase... If there's a overpopulation problem, you know where to cut, not need to have a 1 child per person quota...Last edited by xxxdesign-net; 07-17-2009, 07:52 AM.Comment
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I would take this a different route.what part of "1 child per person" doesn't make sense? One man... one woman... 2 kids allowed. If he remarries, and the new wife has no kids, she can have one. When the limit is reached, they would be required to be on birth control and or "get fixed".
It would be cheaper to pay for sterilizing them than to pay them every month to spit out kids they can't afford/don't want/etc. If they have more than the limit, a huge fine and jail time depending on the situation would be ideal.The kid would be taken away and put up for adoption.
imo people should be able to have as many adopted kids as they want. It's "new" births that are the problem.
Right now the system is severely broken due to the fact that each child comes with a tax break, and in some areas additional children are looked at as a paycheck.
Solution is simple.
Child 1 = Tax Break
Child 2 = Tax Break
Child 3 = No break or Fine
Child 4 = Additional tax upon the parents.
Child 3 I am giving a break on because one can not control things such as twins etc. The larger issue here is that our system is built around procreation because the more children you have, the more tax payers exist in the future. Why do you guys think that Viagra is covered by Health Ins and Birth Control Pills are not?
Additionally you have people who can not afford children having them and then relying on the system to take care of their kids. You also have people having 6 kids or so and getting all the tax breaks, then those kids require additional resources from society that are not being paid for even close by their parents taxes. So parents who wish to have 5, 10, 20 kids will just have to pay for them in the form of additional taxes. Not a ton, but enough to support the resources that that child is going to be pulling out of the system (Schools, Public Program, etc)
For those who wish to drain the system on Welfare or other public assist programs. Each parent is allowed to claim welfare for one child and get assistance for that child. If you are on Welfare and you have another child, you will not get any further assistance. I guarantee you will see a HUGE % of those in poor areas cutting back on the number of children they are creating.
Is this the perfect plan? No! Is there a perfect plan? NO!
Keep in mind this is coming from someone who has made the decision to never have children and yes I have been fixed!No OneComment
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AIDS is not on the list, but AIDS is no longer considered a Death Sentence. One of first of many diseases you can expect to never see a cure for, remember there is no RECURRING money in a CURE!No OneComment
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I am not talking about forcing anyone to do anything. What needs to be done first is take away the incentives to have small armies of children.
Remove that incentive and I guarantee you, the population growth rate in inner cities and by the poor will decrease.No OneComment
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http://whythefuckdoyouhaveakid.com/ <--- I think this blog sums it up nicely!Looking for Opportunity!
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Holy fuck I could not have said it better! That is fucking hilarious and yet so sad all at the same time!http://whythefuckdoyouhaveakid.com/ <--- I think this blog sums it up nicely!No OneComment
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Doesn't it take two people to have a baby?
I agree with the others. If you think there are too many people in the world kill yourself.PLEASE WAIT WHILE BIDEN ADMIN UNINSTALLS ITSELF.....
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Aside from you thinking you can have and do what you will with as many children as your vagina can pop out, try driving in traffic. If that doesn't signal some sort of "hey, there's too many people" alert in your brain, something's wrong with you.
Further more, something's wrong that all the negative posts are just negative.
Hey! You fucking negative people! Throw out some ideas, because the only one that currently makes sense is some sort of population control. And it's just a discussion, so stop saying "fuck" all the time!
FUCK! Fucking FUCK fuck!
Well in your case I'd say better highways
If anything you would have an argument for population DENSITY control, but there is much unused land in this country that negates any space is an issue complaintComment
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The little video presented earlier is very wrong. If current percentages and eugenics continue within a generation if not much sooner by rapid expansion of eugenics programs (can you say swine flu?) population would be cut in half. Primarily because those funding eugenics are being exposed daily which puts their life in danger. And since these eugenics programs are damaging genetic DNA itself it could very well lead to human extinction.PLEASE WAIT WHILE BIDEN ADMIN UNINSTALLS ITSELF.....
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Either you dident see more than the first minute of the video, or you are to stupid to understand what was being said.The little video presented earlier is very wrong. If current percentages and eugenics continue within a generation if not much sooner by rapid expansion of eugenics programs (can you say swine flu?) population would be cut in half. Primarily because those funding eugenics are being exposed daily which puts their life in danger. And since these eugenics programs are damaging genetic DNA itself it could very well lead to human extinction.
I had planned on writing a longer reply, but the fact that you think the swine flu is a eugenics program, really tells me you wont understand anything I will say - so I wont waste my time on it.Comment
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Brilliant idea really, it cuts down on military spending. The fewer people that are born the fewer people we have to waste perfectly good bullets on.Comment
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Swine Flu is a bio-engineered flu. Vaccinations are being prepared for the entire population. Sounds like a mass scale eugenics program to me. At the very least a trial run to see what the herd will accept.
There's nothing you could say to support killing another person which is what eugenics is. And all of those who are participants of it will reap what they have sown soon enough.Last edited by onwebcam; 07-17-2009, 05:21 PM.PLEASE WAIT WHILE BIDEN ADMIN UNINSTALLS ITSELF.....
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Do you have any reason for stating the obvious?lol right back at you ignorant one...
"Every year, an estimated 1.7 million illegal immigrants enter the United States, most of them across the Mexico border. In 2005, US officials arrested and deported 1.2 million illegal immigrants, 85 per cent of them from Mexico. An estimated half a million manage to elude detection every year."
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/ne...#ixzz0LVYgDeRP
Perhaps math isn't your forte tho...
500,000 x 40years = 20 millions
Hispanic birth rate per woman = 3.2 http://www.popline.org/docs/1022/090180.html
Legal immigration is around 1,000,000 / year x 40 = 40 millions... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigra..._United_States
You see where this is going? Legal and Illegal immigration is the cause for the increase... If there's a overpopulation problem, you know where to cut, not need to have a 1 child per person quota...
You claimed in your other post that there is no overpopulation problem in the US. There is.
It's not exactly a secret that immigration is the driving force behind US population growth. But it's also a simple fact that stopping immigration isn't an option.
Illegal immigration is literally unstoppable, for the same reason that the war on drugs cannot be won. No matter what you do, people from poor countries will keep trying to get into rich countries. And even with the best possible security, some will get through.
Stopping legal immigration, on the other hand, is theoretically possible. But it's not a realistic option, unless you want to violate fundamental rights of Americans (family reunification, violate international law (refugees seeking asylum), or severely hurt the economy (work-based immigration - keep in mind that over a third of the workers with PhDs in the US were born abroad).
So the bulk of immigration is pretty much unavoidable. Meaning the overpopulation problem remains.Last edited by Libertine; 07-17-2009, 05:24 PM./(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
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oh, you mean it was bio-engineered in 1918 when subtype H1N1 was mapped the first time? dear lord, I bet you will have many kids when you grow upSwine Flu is a bio-engineered flu. Vaccinations are being prepared for the entire population. Sounds like a mass scale eugenics program to me. At the very least a trial run to see what the herd will accept.
There's nothing you could say to support killing another person which is what eugenics is. And all of those who are participants of it will reap what they have sown soon enough.
eugenics is the consept of improving the human gene pool, it have NOTHING to do with the population growth control we are debating.
It is beyond be, that some people cant even understand the words being used.Last edited by Machete_; 07-17-2009, 05:29 PM.Comment
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Overpopulation is a myth created by the eugenicists and very sickly sold to the general population of idiots so they can continue on with their mass killings. If you don't have the balls to remove yourself from the equation then at the very least have a helicopter drop you off in the middle of the Sahara and try to find another human being on your way out.PLEASE WAIT WHILE BIDEN ADMIN UNINSTALLS ITSELF.....
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The flu which is floating around isn't just a swine flu. It's a mixture of flu's. A bio-engineered mixture.oh, you mean it was bio-engineered in 1918 when subtype H1N1 was mapped the first time? dear lord, I bet you will have many kids when you grow up
eugenics is the consept of improving the human gene pool, it have NOTHING to do with the population growth control we are debating.
It is beyond be, that some people cant even understand the words being used.
I guess Hitler was trying to improve the human gene pool. That was his excuse for his eugenics programs wasn't it? How nice of him. I guess we should all embrace what he was trying to do.Last edited by onwebcam; 07-17-2009, 05:42 PM.PLEASE WAIT WHILE BIDEN ADMIN UNINSTALLS ITSELF.....
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