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Yes he broke the law, but is death really worth it?

07-13-2009, 06:22 AM

Sure the guy "attempted" to swallow some drugs, but are the drugs so dangerous to
society after he swallowed then that we need to choke him to death to get the drugs
back?

If he succeeded in swallowing the drug then how can he possibly spit it out?

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07-13-2009, 06:37 AM

I don't really wanna watch the video of someone dying, so I wanted to ask what did he swallow?

Not trying to defend anyone, but if he swallowed something lethal busting out all the stops to get it back up might make sense.

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07-13-2009, 07:38 AM

That sucks. Choking to death is unacceptable.

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07-13-2009, 08:21 AM

Originally posted by ShellyCrash

I don't really wanna watch the video of someone dying, so I wanted to ask what did he swallow?

Not trying to defend anyone, but if he swallowed something lethal busting out all the stops to get it back up might make sense.

True, you're not trying, you just are.

And since you didn't watch it then maybe you should not comment on it.

If he swallowed something lethal then use a stomach pump because you can't beat
it out of his stomach and he can't throw up either while being choked.
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07-13-2009, 08:27 AM

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07-13-2009, 08:39 AM

Originally posted by sortie

True, you're not trying, you just are.

And since you didn't watch it then maybe you should not comment on it.

If he swallowed something lethal then use a stomach pump because you can't beat
it out of his stomach and he can't throw up either while being choked.

I was asking a question and posting the reason why I asked it.

A kid I went to middle school with died because he swallowed crack rocks. By the time the ambulance arrived it was already too late.

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07-13-2009, 10:04 AM

Damn he kicked the shit out of that guy, pretty fucked up.
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07-13-2009, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by ShellyCrash

I was asking a question and posting the reason why I asked it.

A kid I went to middle school with died because he swallowed crack rocks. By the time the ambulance arrived it was already too late.

Cops fucked up then, they should have beat and choked him too since he was going to
die anyway.

Face it, you're stupid and too much of a lame bitch to even watch what you are
trying to talk about.

Either watch the video or STFU you stupid cunt.
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07-13-2009, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by sortie

True, you're not trying, you just are.

And since you didn't watch it then maybe you should not comment on it.

If he swallowed something lethal then use a stomach pump because you can't beat
it out of his stomach and he can't throw up either while being choked.

Umm. Yeah like thats going to happen on the side of the road.

Sad thing is. Now matter what the cop did, that guy was going to die and The cop was going to have his life fucked up for it.

Dont know what Im talking about? Then do more than watch videos and find out what happens to the cop no matter what.

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07-13-2009, 10:30 AM

That man's life was worth more than a stupid crack rock for evidence.

Just hope a cop doesn't stop you when you have a headache and decide to pop aspirin.
There's nothing like getting choked to death before your aspirin kicks in.
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07-13-2009, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by pornguy

Umm. Yeah like thats going to happen on the side of the road.

Sad thing is. Now matter what the cop did, that guy was going to die and The cop was going to have his life fucked up for it.

Dont know what Im talking about? Then do more than watch videos and find out what happens to the cop no matter what.

Umm, Yeah like what did happened actually worked.

Good point the Rodney King cops went straight to jail.

Oh wait, Rodney King....you were like 4 years old then right?

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07-13-2009, 11:04 AM

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Umm, Yeah like what did happened actually worked.

Good point the Rodney King cops went straight to jail.

Oh wait, Rodney King....you were like 4 years old then right?

Uhh Yeah I was 4..

And again you sit watching a video judging.. Did you know the guy that shot the rodney king video went to jail?? Tampering with evidence. He edited the video before he sent it to the media.

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07-13-2009, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by sortie

Cops fucked up then, they should have beat and choked him too since he was going to
die anyway.

Face it, you're stupid and too much of a lame bitch to even watch what you are
trying to talk about.

Either watch the video or STFU you stupid cunt.

Jesus, who pissed in your Tastee-Os this morning?

Did you READ any of the articles on this incident or just watch the video? Since you'd rather hurl accusations then just answer the damned question I looked it up. They aren't even sure what killed this guy yet. Until the full report is in it's just as likely he died from the bag of meth he put in his mouth than from the beat down he sustained.

Sorry you're such a baby, but any way you slice it the reason this guy is dead is because he made the decission to put a bag of meth in his mouth and refused to spit it out. If the cop choked him to death then he should be punished for doing so, but if anyone should be asked the question, "Was it worth it?", it should be him.

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07-13-2009, 11:13 AM

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Jesus, who pissed in your Tastee-Os this morning?

Did you READ any of the articles on this incident or just watch the video? Since you'd rather hurl accusations then just answer the damned question I looked it up. They aren't even sure what killed this guy yet. Until the full report is in it's just as likely he died from the bag of meth he put in his mouth than from the beat down he sustained.

Sorry you're such a baby, but any way you slice it the reason this guy is dead is because he made the decission to put a bag of meth in his mouth and refused to spit it out. If the cop choked him to death then he should be punished for doing so, but if anyone should be asked the question, "Was it worth it?", it should be him.

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07-13-2009, 11:30 AM

Police are to serve and protect - if he was attempting suicide or was putting himself into a position to kill himself then they must attempt to stop him anyway. Any officer knows its a 50/50 chance that whatever force or conversation could either save a life to kill it.

The officer I think acted appropriately under the circumstances and holding him - the result sadly didn't save a life. Any officer is going to feel the pain of what happened, yet even more if he just allowed the guy to kill himself without trying. The cop did try, back up tried. Yet in a panic situation people do stupid things to either protect themselves or to harm others because they are unable to think straight.

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07-13-2009, 12:19 PM

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Police are to serve and protect - if he was attempting suicide or was putting himself into a position to kill himself then they must attempt to stop him anyway. Any officer knows its a 50/50 chance that whatever force or conversation could either save a life to kill it.

The officer I think acted appropriately under the circumstances and holding him - the result sadly didn't save a life. Any officer is going to feel the pain of what happened, yet even more if he just allowed the guy to kill himself without trying. The cop did try, back up tried. Yet in a panic situation people do stupid things to either protect themselves or to harm others because they are unable to think straight.

I don't see how kneeing the guy in the ribs on the ground and punching him in the
face and head 30 times stopped a drug overdose.

Maybe we should train medical doctors in this method if it saves lives.
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07-13-2009, 12:45 PM

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Uhh Yeah I was 4..

And again you sit watching a video judging.. Did you know the guy that shot the rodney king video went to jail?? Tampering with evidence. He edited the video before he sent it to the media.

Do you have a link to George Holliday going to jail over video editing the King beating?

I sure as hell can't find one.

I seriously doubt that happened because I was living in LA when all that happened
and heard no such story ever.

Maybe you're thinking about the Inglewood beating that was captured on tape
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07-13-2009, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by sortie

I don't see how kneeing the guy in the ribs on the ground and punching him in the
face and head 30 times stopped a drug overdose.

Maybe we should train medical doctors in this method if it saves lives.

I am not an officer, and although that is extreme force - resisting arrest does escalate the level of force used by police. It is a job I would never want to have, nor am I in any position to judge anyone who willingly take on a job to protect the rest of us from those who wish to do harm. Mistakes are made - tempers do increase and people are not perfect. This time I hope that the judge or whoever is looking at this is not biased

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07-13-2009, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by sortie

Sure the guy "attempted" to swallow some drugs, but are the drugs so dangerous to
society after he swallowed then that we need to choke him to death to get the drugs
back?

If he succeeded in swallowing the drug then how can he possibly spit it out?

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07-13-2009, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by sortie

Sure the guy "attempted" to swallow some drugs, but are the drugs so dangerous to
society after he swallowed then that we need to choke him to death to get the drugs
back?

If he succeeded in swallowing the drug then how can he possibly spit it out?

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07-13-2009, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by bushwacker

Did the drugs kill him or the cops?

From the video story :

Originally posted by liveleak

Preliminary results from the Livingston Parish coroner show Stogner died from severe coronary artery disease, an enlarged heart, and a fracture of the hyoid bone in his neck. Dr. Ron Coe says the fracture may be due to force being applied to that area.

That's something usually only found in strangulation deaths.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyoid_bone:

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Fracture and Applied Anatomy
Due to its position, the hyoid bone is not susceptible to easy fracture. In a suspected case of murder, a fractured hyoid strongly indicates throttling or strangulation.

When you see the guy's feet "whale tailing" in the air that is probably due to
the choke which is killing him. At that point he is not kicking at anyone but
having convulsion instead.

So he is probably unconscious at that point but a highly
trained city cop will interpret convulsions as resisting arrest and continue choking and beating.
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07-13-2009, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by TheLegacy

I am not an officer, and although that is extreme force - resisting arrest does escalate the level of force used by police. It is a job I would never want to have, nor am I in any position to judge anyone who willingly take on a job to protect the rest of us from those who wish to do harm. Mistakes are made - tempers do increase and people are not perfect. This time I hope that the judge or whoever is looking at this is not biased

Yes, we all know that. The issue really in this debate is quite simple :

There are people who look at the facts (as in hyoid bone fracture) and then
there are devoted cop lovers who rush to defend their angels no matter what the
facts show.

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07-13-2009, 03:45 PM

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Yes, we all know that. The issue really in this debate is quite simple :

Debate?

I don't see any debate.

I see you standing on a soapbox telling everyone how YOU see it - and then denigrating anyone with an opposing opinion.

That's not a debate.

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07-13-2009, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by sortie

Yes, we all know that. The issue really in this debate is quite simple :

There are people who look at the facts (as in hyoid bone fracture) and then
there are devoted cop lovers who rush to defend their angels no matter what the
facts show.

You probably don't know me that well - I am not a cop defender and have seen a great deal of abuse as a result of them and their "god like" mentality. I just prefer not to think that all of them are bad as a first opinion thats all.

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07-13-2009, 06:49 PM

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I think the mother fucker died because he had a plastic bag holding the drugs and when that fuckin imbred cop punched and kicked him multiple times it got logged in his throat... therefore preventing the stupid hick from breathing...

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07-13-2009, 07:39 PM

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You probably don't know me that well - I am not a cop defender and have seen a great deal of abuse as a result of them and their "god like" mentality. I just prefer not to think that all of them are bad as a first opinion thats all.

Same here. I'm not talking about all cops.
I'm not really talking about these cops actually.
I never once said these cops did anything illegal or against police policy.

It's the procedure that bothers me.
It's almost like possession of drugs is up there with terrorism.

Millions of people have drugs and that "arrest" didn't slow the flow of drugs so why
the dangerous procedure of choking? Especially when the officer has to assume
the drugs can be spit out. If already swallowed then they can't be spit out and
the choke is doing nothing but killing the person.

And I hear the argument that the suspect could kill themselves by swallowing drugs.
But yet the ones who make that argument don't seem to mind that the guy died
from choking.

What's the point of trying to "save" a life when one does not care about the life anyway.

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07-13-2009, 08:57 PM

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07-14-2009, 07:22 AM

Originally posted by sortie

From the video story :

That's something usually only found in strangulation deaths.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyoid_bone:

When you see the guy's feet "whale tailing" in the air that is probably due to
the choke which is killing him. At that point he is not kicking at anyone but
having convulsion instead.

So he is probably unconscious at that point but a highly
trained city cop will interpret convulsions as resisting arrest and continue choking and beating.

A fractured hynoid bone is not fatal. It is only an indication heavy pressure has been applied to the neck. You can fracture someone's hynoid bone in a headlock just as well and something that happens to wrestlers w/o fatalality. The fracture could have happened at several points throughout the struggle and on it's own is not conclusive proof this man was killed by strangulation. To strangle someone to the point of death you have to continue to apply pressure after the person has lost conciousness. It's just as likely this guy choked on the bag, ODed from ingesting the meth, or had a heart attack.

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