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  • IllTestYourGirls
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    • Feb 2007
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    $18,000,000 for website redesign. Obamas big pimpin

    http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/...ampaign=visits


    A company called Smartronix will get $18,000,000 [1] to redesign Recovery.gov [2], the federal Web site intended to track where federal Recovery Act spending goes.

    The government purchased technology for a similar site (with a somewhat smaller scope), USASpending.gov [3], from the non-profit group OMB Watch for only $600,000. A private company already provides information on Recovery Act spending to the public for free [4].

    I wrote here [5] enthusiastically about the plans of the Sunlight Foundation to go after this contract, saying ?[T]he contract award will now be subject to public scrutiny. Value-for-dollar to the taxpayer will be easily discernible, and that will raise the political risks of awarding the contract based on cronyism or go-with-whatchya-knowism. Transparency in all things.?

    Sunlight did not ultimately bid. Instead, it took some lessons [6] about the government contracting business. The transparency I wrote about materialized, though, and we can take a lesson, too: The federal government will pay $18,000,000 for one freaking Web site.
    This has to be a joke right?
  • Intrinsic
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    • Jun 2008
    • 1589

    #2
    yeah, spend 18mil to track spending, sounds about right

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    • Rangermoore
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      • Jan 2009
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      #3
      Thats obama for ya...

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      • SBJ
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        • Apr 2003
        • 11377

        #4
        Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
        gotta love the USA

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        • TurboAngel
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          • Jun 2003
          • 30122

          #5
          That's fucked up.

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          • fris
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            • Aug 2002
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            #6
            18 mil for a website, that companies profits just went sky high
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            • escorpio
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              • Oct 2002
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              #7
              Smartronix will probably sub-contract it to some kid in India for $200. Nice profit.
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              • 1200mics
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                • Sep 2005
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                #8
                LOL i bet it will be flash design :D

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                • Farang
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                  • Oct 2004
                  • 11711

                  #9
                  Go Obama Go !!
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                  • DWB
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                    • Jul 2003
                    • 31779

                    #10
                    THAT is change we can believe in.

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                    • Libertine
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                      • May 2002
                      • 17860

                      #11
                      From what it looks like, the money isn't just being spent on design but also on things like upkeep, hosting, in-house staff costs, data entry, data gathering, etc.
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                      • Nicky
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                        • Mar 2003
                        • 30071

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Libertine
                        From what it looks like, the money isn't just being spent on design but also on things like upkeep, hosting, in-house staff costs, data entry, data gathering, etc.
                        yaa but $18mILLLL That's like 5x what I make per month, insane

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                        • hypedough
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                          #13
                          So $18 mil including hosting and upkeep? How'd he figure out the future costs of the site, this has to be a figure to just set it up.

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                          • Libertine
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                            • May 2002
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by hypedough
                            So $18 mil including hosting and upkeep? How'd he figure out the future costs of the site, this has to be a figure to just set it up.
                            The $18 million is the budget for the site until 2014.

                            As for figuring out future costs... every single government project has projected costs, according to which it is given a budget. You didn't think the government just does stuff on a "pay as you go" basis, did you?
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                            • rayadp05
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                              #15
                              Holy fucking christ. That's ridiculous.

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                              • PornMD
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                                • Jan 2007
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                                #16
                                Good time to be a web developer when the government pays that kind of shit for it. Too bad they have a whole extension to work with or I'd try to sell them some $500 domains for $50,000.
                                Want to crush it in mainstream with Facebook ads? Hit me up.

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                                • LoveSandra
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                                  #17
                                  so fucking lame ..

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                                  • wootpr0n
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                                    #18
                                    Why don't they put AdSense ads or sign up for some porn affiliate programs, then they will make their money back.

                                    I don't understand why government websites don't do this. They get tons of specific traffic.
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                                    • bbm
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                                      • Oct 2005
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                                      #19
                                      so, its nice

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                                      • Iron Fist
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                                        • Dec 2006
                                        • 23400

                                        #20
                                        18 mil will set up a nice Tube site indeed.
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                                        • DWB
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                                          • Jul 2003
                                          • 31779

                                          #21
                                          I would run it for 1/2 of that.

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                                          • jmcb420
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                                            #22
                                            What a colossal waste of taxpayer dollars.

                                            Fucking stupid.

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                                            • David!
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                                              • Apr 2004
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Libertine
                                              The $18 million is the budget for the site until 2014.

                                              As for figuring out future costs... every single government project has projected costs, according to which it is given a budget. You didn't think the government just does stuff on a "pay as you go" basis, did you?
                                              Why do you feel the need to explain something that is UTTERLY RIDICULOUS?
                                              Like the frenzy the media went to explain a funny picture that seemed to show Obama looking at a woman's butt?
                                              .

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                                              • StuartD
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                                                • Jul 2002
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                                                #24
                                                Somehow I doubt Obama was sitting there wondering what sizeable number he could drum up for a new site just to tick people off....

                                                Anyway, governments have been over spending on stupid crap like this for eons, happens in every administration.. hell, they made a joke of $40,000 toilet seats in Independance Day.

                                                Here in Ontario they spent over $200,000 to come up with this:


                                                That being said, if he is or is made aware of that, he should step in to put a stop to that kind of spending on things that just should not cost that much.
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                                                • bbobby86
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                                                  • Jan 2007
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                                                  #25
                                                  only USA...

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                                                  • Brujah
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                                                    • Jan 2001
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by bbobby86
                                                    only USA...
                                                    What did London pay for that Olympics logo? Just under $1,000,000 wasn't it?

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                                                    • Dvae
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                                                      #27
                                                      As government projects go so will this one.

                                                      It will not be complete til 2016 and cost will balloon to at least double that.
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                                                      • Serge Litehead
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                                                        #28
                                                        18 mil for 5ye budget sounds pretty normal.

                                                        I one time before internet bubble burst I was consulting for one Fortune 40 Co, by my rough and modest calculations just by judging how much staff have been employed to support that company's site i came up with +100k dollars per week, propably spending that much for much longer than single year.

                                                        lets say you have staff of 20 people supporting a website on all levels, from designers, admins to accounting and execs.
                                                        lets just assume that 15 of those people make 50k/y and other 5 make 100k/y
                                                        15*50k=750k
                                                        +
                                                        5*100k=500k
                                                        -------------
                                                        1.25mil/y only for HR expenses
                                                        add equipment, real estate, PR, advertizing and a bit of profit and you easily get plus or minus 5mil/y spending budget.
                                                        Last edited by Serge Litehead; 07-11-2009, 07:23 AM.

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                                                        • RadicalSights
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                                                          • Mar 2009
                                                          • 1595

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Nicky
                                                          yaa but $18mILLLL That's like 5x what I make per month, insane
                                                          you mean 1000x you make per month?

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                                                          • Tanker
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                                                            #30
                                                            Ill build them a few sites and a tube for that price

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                                                            • IllTestYourGirls
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                                                              • Feb 2007
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by holograph
                                                              18 mil for 5ye budget sounds pretty normal.

                                                              I one time before internet bubble burst I was consulting for one Fortune 40 Co, by my rough and modest calculations just by judging how much staff have been employed to support that company's site i came up with +100k dollars per week, propably spending that much for much longer than single year.

                                                              lets say you have staff of 20 people supporting a website on all levels, from designers, admins to accounting and execs.
                                                              lets just assume that 15 of those people make 50k/y and other 5 make 100k/y
                                                              15*50k=750k
                                                              +
                                                              5*100k=500k
                                                              -------------
                                                              1.25mil/y only for HR expenses
                                                              add equipment, real estate, PR, advertizing and a bit of profit and you easily get plus or minus 5mil/y spending budget.
                                                              Minus the fact that someone is already giving the public the same thing for free and its only costing them 600k. And they are probably turning a profit.

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                                                              • Serge Litehead
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                                                                Minus the fact that someone is already giving the public the same thing for free and its only costing them 600k. And they are probably turning a profit.
                                                                yeah but from the article we know only 4 variables: 18mil, web site, 600k, similar technology

                                                                based solely on these factors there is no way to determine if 18mil budget is over and through the roof. we don't know how similar is the technology, we don't know what are the requirements nor we do not know how much resources are allocated the project. half of people on gfy never dealt in corporate business and probably very few dealt with government projects if any - and all act like experts that from these 4 variables it is determined that project is blown out of proportions cost wise - maybe yes or maybe not.

                                                                you cannot take 18mil put together with word "website" and say wow that's just crazy I can build 18,000 tubes or more for that cost. we don't have enough data to make any kind of logical conclution, just half-thought out assumptions.

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                                                                • IllTestYourGirls
                                                                  Ah My Balls
                                                                  • Feb 2007
                                                                  • 14311

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by holograph
                                                                  yeah but from the article we know only 4 variables: 18mil, web site, 600k, similar technology

                                                                  based solely on these factors there is no way to determine if 18mil budget is over and through the roof. we don't know how similar is the technology, we don't know what are the requirements nor we do not know how much resources are allocated the project. half of people on gfy never dealt in corporate business and probably very few dealt with government projects if any - and all act like experts that from these 4 variables it is determined that project is blown out of proportions cost wise - maybe yes or maybe not.

                                                                  you cannot take 18mil put together with word "website" and say wow that's just crazy I can build 18,000 tubes or more for that cost. we don't have enough data to make any kind of logical conclution, just half-thought out assumptions.
                                                                  Fair enough

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                                                                  • nation-x
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    It's obvious to me that you idiots have never dealt with a consulting firm or run a really large mainstream site. I am not really defending the spending... but $18M for a 5 year contract to build, service and maintain a website like recovery.gov is fairly common in the corporate world. About 9 years ago (right before 9/11) I was being payed almost $20k/month to build and run a site for Herman Miller and that didn't include hosting or data entry.... and I beat other bidders by almost 50% by bidding $125/hour @ 160 hours/month. $18M over 5 years is $1875/hour based on full time hours (160/month). If you add a couple of developers, hosting, equipment, data entry people and managers to run the project... those numbers are reasonable.

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                                                                    • Zorgman
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Brujah
                                                                      What did London pay for that Olympics logo? Just under $1,000,000 wasn't it?

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                                                                      • IllTestYourGirls
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                                                                        • Feb 2007
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by nation-x
                                                                        It's obvious to me that you idiots have never dealt with a consulting firm or run a really large mainstream site. I am not really defending the spending... but $18M for a 5 year contract to build, service and maintain a website like recovery.gov is fairly common in the corporate world. About 9 years ago (right before 9/11) I was being payed almost $20k/month to build and run a site for Herman Miller and that didn't include hosting or data entry.... and I beat other bidders by almost 50% by bidding $125/hour @ 160 hours/month. $18M over 5 years is $1875/hour based on full time hours (160/month). If you add a couple of developers, hosting, equipment, data entry people and managers to run the project... those numbers are reasonable.
                                                                        18 million for something we dont need is reasonable?

                                                                        18 million to give the illusion that obama is for transparency while democrat leaders continue to block 1207?

                                                                        I guess its not that bad then.

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                                                                        • dissipate
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Ugh, I need to leave this fucking country, permanently this time.

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                                                                          • nation-x
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                                                                            18 million for something we dont need is reasonable?

                                                                            18 million to give the illusion that obama is for transparency while democrat leaders continue to block 1207?

                                                                            I guess its not that bad then.
                                                                            First of all... you should learn to read a little more closely... I clearly said I was not defending the spending... only making the point that the $18M figure was not an outlandish amount for the project.

                                                                            H.R. 1207 is a political ploy with a great sounding name (it uses the "Transparency" buzzword). All it proposes is that the Comptroller audit the Fed and make a report to congress by a specific date in 2010 while striking audit exemptions from Title 31. The entire amendment is a paragraph long. It doesn't say anything about what Congress should do with the report... what the purpose of such an audit would be or anything like that. It is pure political theatre... if Ron Paul really wanted to introduce a worthwhile bill he should have added those details.

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                                                                            • IllTestYourGirls
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                                                                              • Feb 2007
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by nation-x
                                                                              First of all... you should learn to read a little more closely... I clearly said I was not defending the spending... only making the point that the $18M figure was not an outlandish amount for the project.

                                                                              H.R. 1207 is a political ploy with a great sounding name (it uses the "Transparency" buzzword). All it proposes is that the Comptroller audit the Fed and make a report to congress by a specific date in 2010 while striking audit exemptions from Title 31. The entire amendment is a paragraph long. It doesn't say anything about what Congress should do with the report... what the purpose of such an audit would be or anything like that. It is pure political theatre... if Ron Paul really wanted to introduce a worthwhile bill he should have added those details.
                                                                              18 million for unneeded project is outlandish.

                                                                              How can you know what to do with the audit when nothing is known about the FED and what the audit will find?

                                                                              However, the constitution already says what should be done. It is rather simple. No need to bog down the bill with details that are already law

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                                                                              • nation-x
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                                                                                18 million for unneeded project is outlandish.

                                                                                How can you know what to do with the audit when nothing is known about the FED and what the audit will find?

                                                                                However, the constitution already says what should be done. It is rather simple. No need to bog down the bill with details that are already law
                                                                                The comptroller does regular audits... I wouldn't exactly call that "nothing is known".

                                                                                http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h41/

                                                                                http://www.federalreserve.gov/genera...faq/faqfrs.htm
                                                                                Are the Federal Reserve System and Reserve Banks ever audited?

                                                                                The Board of Governors, the Federal Reserve Banks, and the Federal Reserve System as a whole are all subject to several levels of audit and review. Under the Federal Banking Agency Audit Act (enacted in 1978 as Public Law 95-320), which authorizes the Comptroller General of the United States to audit the Federal Reserve System, the Government Accountability Office (GAO) has conducted numerous reviews of Federal Reserve activities. In addition, the Board's Office of Inspector General (OIG) audits and investigates Board programs and operations as well as those Board functions delegated to the Reserve Banks. Completed and active GAO reviews and completed OIG audits, reviews, and assessments are listed in the Board?s Annual Report (before 2002, the reviews were listed in the Board's Annual Report: Budget Review).

                                                                                The Board's financial statements, and its compliance with laws and regulations affecting those statements, are audited annually by an outside auditor retained by the OIG. The financial statements of the Reserve Banks are also audited annually by an independent outside auditor. In addition, the Reserve Banks are subject to annual examination by the Board. The Board's financial statements and the combined financial statements for the Reserve Banks are published in the Board's Annual Report.
                                                                                btw... I posted support on ADX for Ron Paul's bill on Feb.18, 2009 but have changed my mind about it because the purpose isn't clearly defined. The amendment should at least state a purpose and it doesn't.

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                                                                                • IllTestYourGirls
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                                                                                  • Feb 2007
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by nation-x
                                                                                  The comptroller does regular audits... I wouldn't exactly call that "nothing is known".

                                                                                  http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h41/

                                                                                  http://www.federalreserve.gov/genera...faq/faqfrs.htm


                                                                                  btw... I posted support on ADX for Ron Paul's bill on Feb.18, 2009 but have changed my mind about it because the purpose isn't clearly defined. The amendment should at least state a purpose and it doesn't.
                                                                                  The bill is very clearly defined.

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                                                                                  • Max - RiotDesign
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    pfft I don't even open photoshop for less than 20mil

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                                                                                    • collegeboobies
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      it includes maintaining it for years, probably servers and bandwidth to handle a ton of traffic as well.

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                                                                                      • seeandsee
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by Brujah
                                                                                        What did London pay for that Olympics logo? Just under $1,000,000 wasn't it?

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                                                                                        • Socks
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Brujah
                                                                                          What did London pay for that Olympics logo? Just under $1,000,000 wasn't it?

                                                                                          That's a guy having sex with a dog, best I see it.

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                                                                                          • Lycanthrope
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            I see Lisa Simpson on her knees sucking cock

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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              that's a lot of $$$
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                                                                                                #48
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