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  • xbizdon
    Confirmed User
    • Mar 2004
    • 221

    #1

    XBIZ NEWS: New 3rd-Party Processor Takes Old Name ? iBill

    XBIZ NEWS: New 3rd-Party Processor Takes Old Name ? iBill

    AURORA, Colo. ? The reincarnated iBill is fighting back claims that it has ties to the defunct third-party processor that did business under the same name.

    http://www.xbiz.com/news/109571
    Don Parret
    Editor/Publications Director
    XBIZ™ | The Industry Source
    Adnet Media

    [email protected]
    Tel: 310.820.0228 x 701

  • HorseShit
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Dec 2004
    • 17513

    #2
    thanks, we all had no idea

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    • SBJ
      So Fucking Fabulous
      • Apr 2003
      • 11377

      #3
      big newz!

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      • Zuzana Designs
        All Your Design Needs
        • Feb 2005
        • 20902

        #4
        Good to see they are trying to be an honest company and take back the brand. But It will be hard to gain trust with that name. That's just my opinion though.

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        • cherrylula
          lol
          • Jan 2002
          • 15969

          #5
          crazy...

          are they paying people back?

          I was a small time affiliate of theirs and even so lost thousands. I mean, really. If they want to be a good Ibill, pay people back. Simple. A name is a name.
          Last edited by cherrylula; 07-08-2009, 05:39 PM.

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          • TheAmericanCannibal
            Confirmed User
            • Dec 2006
            • 3087

            #6
            Originally posted by cherrylula
            crazy...

            are they paying people back?

            I was a small time affiliate of theirs and even so lost thousands. I mean, really. If they want to be a good Ibill, pay people back. Simple. A name is a name.
            maybe u should read the thread and article before you post.

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            • xbizdon
              Confirmed User
              • Mar 2004
              • 221

              #7
              I'd like to know more about former iBill execs Spaniak and co. Anyone have info?
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              Tel: 310.820.0228 x 701

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              • JJSLIMM
                Confirmed User
                • Jan 2002
                • 1414

                #8
                Scary, why in the world would a company even try to bring that back obviously knowing what they know. Noone with any brains would touch that company with that brand attached to it regardless of who is there pushing forward now. Go ahead and tell investors there is some debt owed to thousands of merchants before we can move forward or change the name. Pay back everyone on what they are owed and then maybe everyone who got ripped off the thousands and thousands of dollars including myself might let you try ;)
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                • Brad Mitchell
                  Confirmed User
                  • Nov 2001
                  • 9813

                  #9
                  As much as IBill fucked everyone.. it IS a cool domain. Like every other company, they will have to prove themselves and earn a reputation starting from scratch. Go!

                  Brad
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                  • xbizdon
                    Confirmed User
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 221

                    #10
                    ibill, iporn, iphone, ipod ---> cool names
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                    • tony299
                      lurker
                      • Aug 2002
                      • 57021

                      #11
                      never again got fucked waaay too hard.

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                      • Shoplifter
                        Richest man in Babylon
                        • Jan 2002
                        • 5867

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Brad Mitchell
                        As much as IBill fucked everyone.. it IS a cool domain. Like every other company, they will have to prove themselves and earn a reputation starting from scratch. Go!

                        Brad
                        But they don't have ibill.com, they have ibill.net.

                        Who trusts someone on a .net?

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                        • MetrixApps - Sean
                          Confirmed User
                          • May 2008
                          • 120

                          #13
                          cool xbiz.
                          thanks for the heads up

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                          • Paul Markham
                            Too old to care
                            • Jun 2001
                            • 52942

                            #14
                            Forget the hate and think about it calmly.

                            When I look at the money held by CCBILL or Epoch every month I think to myself. Do I want that money held by people I don't trust totally?

                            Anyone willing to risk their money (AND affiliate) with a company run by people capable of making such a big mistake do not warrant my trust.



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                            • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                              Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn
                              • Jul 2004
                              • 38323

                              #15
                              Dear Jonas Brown/iBill,



                              How about instead, you simply pay me the $30,000+ worth of sales that I made using your billing system.

                              If you do, I won't even hold you accountable for the lost rebills and other major costs that I incurred because of iBill's lies and incompetence.

                              If that is asking to much, then at least have the decency to explain who actually took the money I earned (people paid for my product and I delivered it, even though iBill screwed me over), and why they have any right not to pay me the money which they were only the processor for.

                              Correct me if I'm wrong, but there appears to me to have been some major breach of fiduciary responsibility and somebody should be held accountable.

                              In Laymen's terms, I spent money to build and promote my websites - many people paid money to join my sites, and iBill collected the money on my behalf, and was supposed to forward me the balance after subtracting their fees. Somebody kept the money my Members intended to pay to me, since I paid lots of money, and invested lots of my time, to create and promote the content which they downloaded and enjoyed.

                              I delivered the product which my Members (customers) paid for, but somebody kept more than just the fees - in my view, they stole my money.

                              Jonas Brown, before anyone should trust you or iBill, I think that you/iBill should explain where my money is, and the money of many other webmasters is, whom were ripped off the same way I was.

                              Your proposal as stated comes off as just another totally self-serving scam and con job, like the original ultimately worthless promissory notes.

                              If you want to do some good, and get people back on your side, then either sue the bastards that ripped us off and get our money back, or tell us who to sue and how to sue the people that took our hard earned money.

                              Whenever I hear the names Daniel Staton, Steve Markley or Gary Spaniak Jr, all I hear is liar, scammer, thief and other less civil words.

                              Add Marc Bell of the Bell/Staton Group (later PMGI, Penthouse, and AFF / Adult Friend Finder to that list).



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                              • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn
                                • Jul 2004
                                • 38323

                                #16
                                From the X-Biz article:

                                “It’s going to take months of rebuilding the name and image, but we think it’s worth it,” Brown said. “None of the management or executive team with the original company have anything to do with this one. In fact, I wouldn’t know where to reach any of the former execs.”
                                O'rly?!? How hard have you tried?

                                Start here Jonas Brown:

                                Public Record addresses of some former iBill / PMGI execs

                                The only way I would take your supposedly new company seriously, is if you would address the issues and questions I posed earlier in this thread.

                                Or is the new iBill the same as the old iBill - post rosy press releases, but avoid answering any questions?

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                                • DWB
                                  Registered User
                                  • Jul 2003
                                  • 31779

                                  #17
                                  Once again this is proof that NOBODY, no matter how big or small, no matter how many MILLIONS of dollars they steal, can flunk out of porn.

                                  There is no starting over, rebuilding or gaining trust when you have fucked over an entire industry on such a large scale like that. Anyone who supports them is a fool, plain and simple.

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                                  • DWB
                                    Registered User
                                    • Jul 2003
                                    • 31779

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by xbizdon
                                    ibill, iporn, iphone, ipod ---> cool names
                                    So is iFucked, iSteal, iScam and iWillFuckYouAgain when you least expect it.

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                                    • bobby666
                                      boots are my religion
                                      • Nov 2005
                                      • 21765

                                      #19
                                      did you ever look into this board before you started that thread?

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                                      • JimmiDean
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                                        • Nov 2004
                                        • 3433

                                        #20
                                        Pretty old news.
                                        And my answer is still not a chance in Hell.
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                                        • Jack Sparrow
                                          Almost goners..
                                          • May 2008
                                          • 11420

                                          #21
                                          Maybe old, but lets not forget.

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                                          • MaDalton
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                                            • Feb 2004
                                            • 39861

                                            #22
                                            how about i open a security service and call it "Gestapo"?

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                                              • seanchai
                                                A Grooby Guy
                                                • Jul 2005
                                                • 397

                                                #24
                                                I thought it was a joke ... but looks like it's legit. Madness.

                                                Anyone want to invest in a new company I'm starting called Enron, Madoff & Co.?

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                                                • Nikki_Licks
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • May 2005
                                                  • 6323

                                                  #25
                                                  I wouldn't piss on iBill if they were on fire.
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                                                  • MattJustin
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Aug 2007
                                                    • 361

                                                    #26
                                                    then why use the same tarnished name Ibill? why not start fresh and have no history?

                                                    doesn't make any sense
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                                                    • peedy
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Oct 2004
                                                      • 866

                                                      #27
                                                      interesting, I don't see why you would use a tarnished name.

                                                      but to the issue of using them, hell no. Maybe in a year or two if their track record is clean.
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                                                      • Ace_luffy
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                                                        • Feb 2005
                                                        • 12168

                                                        #28
                                                        interesting....

                                                        thanks for sharing


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                                                        • RyuLion
                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                          • 32371

                                                          #29
                                                          Good Luck with that.

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                                                          • BobG
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Nov 2003
                                                            • 4274

                                                            #30
                                                            Let me know how that goes.

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                                                            • pamon
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Dec 2007
                                                              • 3113

                                                              #31
                                                              hope they fail. ibill screwed many and shouldn't be able to regroup using that name. or even a variation of it. FAIL
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                                                              • Imortyl Pussycat
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                                                                • Apr 2006
                                                                • 5449

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                Forget the hate and think about it calmly.

                                                                When I look at the money held by CCBILL or Epoch every month I think to myself. Do I want that money held by people I don't trust totally?

                                                                Anyone willing to risk their money (AND affiliate) with a company run by people capable of making such a big mistake do not warrant my trust.
                                                                my thoughts exactly
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                                                                • Imortyl Pussycat
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                                                                  • Apr 2006
                                                                  • 5449

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
                                                                  So is iFucked, iSteal, iScam and iWillFuckYouAgain when you least expect it.
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                                                                  • kristin
                                                                    GOO!
                                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                                    • 9768

                                                                    #34
                                                                    They keep saying it's the company name, not the people.

                                                                    If I were them I would have lost the name, fast. The word iBill makes most cringe, they have a lot ahead of them to gain back clients. With the current state of the industry, I don't see many people switching from their processor of years to give iBill another chance.
                                                                    Vacares rules.

                                                                    "Usually only fat guys have the kind of knowledge and ability that Kristin has."

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                                                                    • Rodrigo-Ibills
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Nov 2005
                                                                      • 349

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Why no mention of Rodrigo? I making a great Ibills party next Friday in the Beverly Hills. Everybody, we make a party.
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                                                                      • GetSCORECash
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                                                                        • Mar 2008
                                                                        • 5527

                                                                        #36
                                                                        They should of started with a new NAME and kept ibill for mainstream sales.
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                                                                        • Ambergirl
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                                                                          • Oct 2001
                                                                          • 1269

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by xbizdon
                                                                          ibill, iporn, iphone, ipod ---> cool names
                                                                          Yes and iprocessing, idemand. . .all great.

                                                                          But ibill, not so much, especially in adult.
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                                                                          • jmcb420
                                                                            So Fucking Drunk
                                                                            • Oct 2006
                                                                            • 2155

                                                                            #38
                                                                            the only people stupider then the "new" iballs are the poor fucks who are going to let them fuck them again. I cant believe we even so much as discuss that company after all the shit they pulled. I can see many unhappy future threads from people who thought it would be different.
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                                                                            • kristin
                                                                              GOO!
                                                                              • Sep 2002
                                                                              • 9768

                                                                              #39
                                                                              What about the stocks they issued to people to settle up?

                                                                              Those gonna be worth anything now?
                                                                              Vacares rules.

                                                                              "Usually only fat guys have the kind of knowledge and ability that Kristin has."

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                                                                              • nekrom
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Mar 2004
                                                                                • 921

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Only a total dumb fuck would use these ibill cunts again.

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                                                                                • jmcb420
                                                                                  So Fucking Drunk
                                                                                  • Oct 2006
                                                                                  • 2155

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by kristin
                                                                                  What about the stocks they issued to people to settle up?

                                                                                  Those gonna be worth anything now?
                                                                                  those wont be worth the paper that they are printed on, seriously.


                                                                                  Would you let me have your purse or wallet a second time if I already stole, misplaced, or handed off to some other guy once?

                                                                                  How about if I give you a piece of paper and told you things would be different this time?

                                                                                  If IBill was really in a position to settle, they would hand out money, not fake stock.

                                                                                  If IBill were a company worthy of our business, they would have never fucked over anyone in the first place.

                                                                                  Beware.
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                                                                                  • kristin
                                                                                    GOO!
                                                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                                                    • 9768

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by jmcb420
                                                                                    those wont be worth the paper that they are printed on, seriously.


                                                                                    Would you let me have your purse or wallet a second time if I already stole, misplaced, or handed off to some other guy once?

                                                                                    How about if I give you a piece of paper and told you things would be different this time?

                                                                                    If IBill was really in a position to settle, they would hand out money, not fake stock.

                                                                                    If IBill were a company worthy of our business, they would have never fucked over anyone in the first place.

                                                                                    Beware.
                                                                                    I'd never use them again or anything, people received stocks years ago as a "promise." Just curious now that there is an established iBill again, those that have shares, any chance of getting anything for the "promise?"

                                                                                    Be nice to see those who have it get something that was promised to them by company who stole their money.
                                                                                    Vacares rules.

                                                                                    "Usually only fat guys have the kind of knowledge and ability that Kristin has."

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                                                                                    • Pete-KT
                                                                                      Workin With The Devil
                                                                                      • Oct 2004
                                                                                      • 51532

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      They will never be trusted by us

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                                                                                      • sexdatesj
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Jun 2009
                                                                                        • 1078

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        To pick that name is death from the start!

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                                                                                        • spazlabz
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                                                          • 6548

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          they think we will ignore the name

                                                                                          Acacia thought we were 'low hanging fruit'

                                                                                          amazing the lack of insight these people show


                                                                                          spaz

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                                                                                          • nikki99
                                                                                            Supermodel
                                                                                            • Nov 2004
                                                                                            • 23072

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            fuck you ibill
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                                                                                            • AmeliaG
                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                              • Jan 2003
                                                                                              • 10670

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by seanchai
                                                                                              I thought it was a joke ... but looks like it's legit. Madness.

                                                                                              Anyone want to invest in a new company I'm starting called Enron, Madoff & Co.?


                                                                                              I actually was kinda expecting the "new" Ibill site to turn out to be a practical joke.
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                                                                                              • Tanker
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                                                                                                • Nov 2000
                                                                                                • 9287

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Shit remember when Sixnine walked into thier booth and demanded his money at one of the last shows they attended?

                                                                                                He told them to write him a check and then started dismantling their booth until they finally did..

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                                                                                                  #49
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                                                                                                  • jmcb420
                                                                                                    So Fucking Drunk
                                                                                                    • Oct 2006
                                                                                                    • 2155

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by kristin
                                                                                                    I'd never use them again or anything, people received stocks years ago as a "promise." Just curious now that there is an established iBill again, those that have shares, any chance of getting anything for the "promise?"

                                                                                                    Be nice to see those who have it get something that was promised to them by company who stole their money.
                                                                                                    I agree, kristin. I think if ibill has enough cash to go back into business, then they need to start paying out what they owe to the webmasters they owe it to. In fact, if they had any fucking respect for this industry, they would have been sending out payments owed before they even attempted this.

                                                                                                    For the record: I am owed nothing by ibill, but this situation is so obvious it kills me.


                                                                                                    Some people are still going to trust these guys.

                                                                                                    Fool me once ibill....shame on you.
                                                                                                    Fool me twice ibill........ i'm a fucking moron.


                                                                                                    "Its the people not the name"

                                                                                                    its both, anyone can see that.
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