CCBillTools or NATS for a new paysite?

Because he doesn't base business decisions that are the foundation of his entire business on friendships? ;)

To clarify...

My post was not intended to 'slam' one or the other. The way I see it each has significant advantages (significant enough that I plan to run both side by side).

John, since you are active in this thread... is there a date set yet for the release of the 'simplified' skin for NATS 4.0 that adds 3.0 simplicity/look and feel for affiliates? I am waiting for it to be released and have been since we last chatted about it.

I give everyone a bit of love.... they all make people money

Well far be it for me to jump in here as I might appear to have a bit of a bias as I own CCBTools, but I do also run 2 NATS programs Made in Porn and DreamGirls Cash.

Really there are many advantages to using both CCBill and NATS. CCBill is reliable and has a certain trust level that comes to working with them. The webmasters know that they are getting their checks on the days that they are supposed to get their checks, you can in fact cascade to Epoch if you choose to and the European webmasters can promote many programs through CCBill while only having the expense of cashing 1 check which I know a lot of them really appreciate and has helped them to build their brand loyalty across the pond. There is a definite ease about setting up a CCBill affiliate program and a lot of help along the way to make sure it succeeds.

Of course as a CCBill client you can then use CCBTools for all of your marketing materials and easily provide everyting from FLV XML Feeds and Page Peel Ads to Gallery Builders and POTD or VOTD plus so many more in demand tools.

That being said there is a decent amount of webmasters that only want NATS programs. They are used to the way the stats work, they like the detail that they get back and there are a lot of tools that until CCBTools launched were really only readily available to a NATS prorgram.

I have always found their support helpful, although maybe their system is not as straightforward for a newB to learn how to use.

What I would do if I were coming into Adult today and starting a new program is I would build my new program on CCBill. I would do this for 2 reasons, speed and simplicity. I would also be able to attract more webmasters and traffic to my program giving me a solid base.

Then once I had my base, I would build out from there adding CCBTools to give the webmasters what they need to make my program really fly and to make it keep up with the big guys and all the tools that they provide.

Finally once all that was happening for me, I would then build out the same program on NATS. I would continue to run the CCBTool/CCBill affiliate program for the webmasters that are in there and that are loyal CCBill webmasters but I would build out the NATS to bring in all of the NATS loyal webmasters. I would do CCBill first as it is not an expense, and I would upgrade to NATS once I could aford to take the time to learn it.

Off hand I know of 2 of my clients that do this really well. You can take a look at what they have done here:

XXXSexCash
Dream-Cash

Hope that helps out a little!

We have been using CCBTools and its great for us. It's very flexible and scalable. Plus why would we ever want to have to cut our own check's for affiliates...

You can run CCBill on NATS.... so NATS. Dont put all your eggs in 1 basket. We run 7 billers on our cascades.

How about Zombiao only?

Or are affiliate just not interested even with the considerably higher payouts? Is it the lacking affiliate program, trust or both?

Im just starting my own program and im going full balls with NATS straight away. I dont want to fuck with the hassle of moving from ccbill to NATS. Plus I feel NATS shows your very serious about your affiliate program and ready to do business. Another reason I went with Elevated X CMS and Mojo Host because I know my stuff will be top of the line.

About cutting your own checks, my solution to this is im going to use Webmasterchecks.com Some time along I may send out my own checks but in the start when I have plenty of other things to take up my time and no billing department, WC will do just fine. I think its like ~ 3 dollars per check they send out but if you split that fee with your webmasters then theres about no way you could do it any cheaper.

Just my opinion.

I'd go with NATS, however did you test MPA3?

I'd take MPA3 over NATS any day.

wow this came back from the ded.

No i didnt really look at MPA3. seems a lot of peoples swear on NATS.

in any case, i am setting up with CCBill next week...unless NATS wants to offer me their August special, then i would have to reconsider

Done! do you have Vlad's contact info?

wow!!!

no...i would be happy to contact whomever you want. Its decision time on my payment structure.

Can someone please give me a clear answer on this? Do program owners or even affiliate managers with admin access have the ability to shave sales using NATS?

There has never been support in NATS or by TMM for shaving. There are no shaving features in NATS, nor will there ever be. If someone has a reasonable reason to believe someone is somehow shaving with NATS you're welcome to notify TMM and we will investigate the issue.

Just hit you up on ICQ, if you prefer email/phone.. you can send your contact info to vlad[at]toomuchmedia.com and I will be more than happy to assist you.

Hi John, thanks for the clarification.

BTW, as an affiliate I like the layout of NATS over CCBILL alone.

depends

Depends on point of view of webmasters. I know many people that almost always will drop program after it goes from CCbill to NATS , MPA3 or anything else, from one simple reason and that is harder fro them to get money then with CCbill. people running programs seems to forget that there are many small webmasters promoting many sites and not being dedicated just to their program.

Only crazy thin is why CCbill don't improve their stats and payment options for it's affiliates.

in ccbill there's one cookie you need to set by link code for your traffic and it's easy to track if everything works fine (just go to join form and search for your pa into source)

and with nats it's impossible to track that. search gfy and you'll find a bunch of different kinds of 'errors' happened to nats running programs

sure there's no 'shave' option, but there's a lot of bricks and you can build a castle from them

nats is a great back-end, but there're many people failed in many ways to run it (and affiliates are ones who lose most of all because of that)

btw that's some interesting poll: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=926650
also there were a few threads on different boards to support 'NO' in that poll