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  • borked
    Totally Borked
    • Feb 2005
    • 6284

    #1

    Windows 7 will ship without IE in Europe

    http://news.BBC.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8096701.stm

    "the company said it would make it easy for users to get at and install the web browsing program"

    LOL !! But I bet onceinstalled it'll still be as difficult to uninstall as it is today ...
    Last edited by borked; 06-12-2009, 01:42 AM.

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  • Mutt
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    • Sep 2002
    • 34431

    #2
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    • seeandsee
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      • Mar 2006
      • 50945

      #3
      Originally posted by borked
      http://news.BBC.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8096701.stm

      "the company said it would make it easy for users to get at and install the web browsing program"

      LOL !! But I bet onceinstalled it'll still be as difficult to uninstall as it is today ...
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      • Jakke PNG
        ex-TeenGodFather
        • Nov 2001
        • 20306

        #4
        What browser WILL it have? I mean...
        you buy a computer.
        you want to get online with it.
        ruh roh, no browser?
        ..ohh..gotta install the IE from the windows disc to get online to get another browser?
        Maybe I'm dumb, but I don't get it.
        ..and I'm off.

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        • rowan
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • Mar 2002
          • 17393

          #5
          How long do you think it will be before the average user comes across an application that requires IE (and all of its tentacles stuck into the OS) to function?

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          • themonk
            Confirmed User
            • May 2006
            • 6511

            #6
            microsoft started to think about users ;)))
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            • Mr.Right - Banned For Life
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              • May 2005
              • 18314

              #7
              fucking hate the built in IE8 (in Windows 7)

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              • MaDalton
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                • Feb 2004
                • 39861

                #8
                how to install an internet browser without inter browser?
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                • iseeyou
                  So Fucking Banned
                  • Feb 2006
                  • 306

                  #9
                  Microsoft should play a cruel joke on Europe. Don't pre-install any www browsers.

                  Instead, pre-install telnet with text instructions on how to download Mosaic world wide web browser.

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                  • abadfish
                    Confirmed User
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 1482

                    #10
                    I don't have a problem with them including their browser but you should easily and completely be able to remove it.
                    Reanna Mae

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                    • Rochard
                      Jägermeister Test Pilot
                      • Dec 2001
                      • 75762

                      #11
                      This is utterly fucking stupid. My laptop thankfully came with IE - so I could go online and install FF. Selling a computer or OS without an browser is like selling a car without tires, and then telling people that they can install their own tires at home.
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                      • GrouchyAdmin
                        Now choke yourself!
                        • Apr 2006
                        • 12085

                        #12
                        Originally posted by iseeyou
                        Instead, pre-install telnet with text instructions on how to download Mosaic world wide web browser.
                        I kind of doubt that Windows 7 will have Winsock 1 support. Perhaps, uh, Netscape 4.7. Or, OffByOne. That almost does HTML 3.2!

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                        • bufferover
                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 25220

                          #13
                          Internet Explorer sucked anyway

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                          • Serge Litehead
                            Confirmed User
                            • Dec 2002
                            • 5190

                            #14
                            i bet those's pc's will come with bunch of preinstalled browsers with bunch of toolbars taking half the screen..heh

                            to play a cruel joke on Europe MS should charge XX euros for a standalone IE version)
                            Euro version of windows will come under "whoisyourdaddy" release name

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                            • CyberHustler
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                              • Feb 2006
                              • 28787

                              #15
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                              • u-Bob
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                                • Jul 2005
                                • 33063

                                #16
                                great

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                                • MovieMaster
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                                  • Apr 2003
                                  • 897

                                  #17
                                  Gotta love the European govt model ....
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                                  • bronco67
                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                    • Dec 2006
                                    • 29026

                                    #18
                                    I don't know why Microsoft gets so much grief for including their web browser. It is their fucking OS, right?

                                    The only time I've opened IE in the last 4 years was to use it download Firefox when I do a new build. The choice is there for any dumbass to make.

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                                    • redwhiteandblue
                                      Bollocks
                                      • Jun 2007
                                      • 2785

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by MovieMaster
                                      Gotta love the European govt model ....
                                      Yep, next they'll be telling M$ "IE8 is too much competition for Firefox, make it worse".
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                                      • woj
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                                        • Jul 2002
                                        • 47880

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Jakke PNG
                                        What browser WILL it have? I mean...
                                        you buy a computer.
                                        you want to get online with it.
                                        ruh roh, no browser?
                                        ..ohh..gotta install the IE from the windows disc to get online to get another browser?
                                        Maybe I'm dumb, but I don't get it.
                                        yea, no kidding...
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                                        • borked
                                          Totally Borked
                                          • Feb 2005
                                          • 6284

                                          #21
                                          a good analysis of Microsoft's announcement can be found here

                                          an excerpt from the end
                                          OEMs and those selling PCs will be alarmed at the potential impact on their business of not having IE on machines loaded with Windows - a fact cleverly hinted at in the opening of Heiner's blog. "Microsoft had sent a memo to computer manufacturers and retailers about our plans for Windows 7 in Europe. We're getting quite a few calls on this, so we thought it would be helpful to explain our plans," Heiner wrote.

                                          Heiner did not say how IE would be delivered, but given you'd need a browser to get online in the first place the likelihood is IE will be delivered via Microsoft's Automatic Update service.

                                          Regulators are right to maintain the pressure on Microsoft and competitors are justified in feeling shortchanged.

                                          Based on Microsoft's sales figures for Windows XP N, the facts strongly suggest that OEMs, retailers, and customers will not be interested in Windows without IE and neither Microsoft or its partners will be interested in promoting this bastard operating system. Microsoft knows this and is betting it can offer a solution it knows will not only fail but that will keep browser competitors out of the mainstream Windows SKUs.

                                          In offering an IE-free Windows, Microsoft clearly hopes it can preempt the legal outcome it fears - one of two options regulators have been discussing. Those options? Microsoft must either ship rival browsers with Windows or make them available for download from Automatic Update.

                                          That would take competition against IE to a whole new level. No more Firefox slowly nibbling at the edges through downloads along with Opera or Chrome, but now presented on an equal basis out of the box as an alternative to IE.

                                          The success of IE has been not just that it simplified the web browsing experience for many, but that it's easy for the ordinary user to find. They don't have to go to download sites. Making Opera, Firefox, or Chrome available in Windows or through Automatic Update would cede that advantage to rivals. ®
                                          Last edited by borked; 06-14-2009, 07:36 AM.

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                                          • tranza
                                            ICQ: 197-556-237
                                            • Jun 2003
                                            • 57559

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by MaDalton
                                            how to install an internet browser without inter browser?
                                            I'm just a newbie.

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                                            • mOrrI
                                              It's over there...
                                              • Nov 2004
                                              • 4208

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Jakke PNG
                                              What browser WILL it have? I mean...
                                              you buy a computer.
                                              you want to get online with it.
                                              ruh roh, no browser?
                                              ..ohh..gotta install the IE from the windows disc to get online to get another browser?
                                              Maybe I'm dumb, but I don't get it.
                                              No you are correct ;)

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                                              • GatorB
                                                The Demon & 12clicks
                                                • Oct 2001
                                                • 18208

                                                #24
                                                Does the EU make Apple take out Safari on Macs? Of course the answer is no. Why the hypocrisy?

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                                                • GatorB
                                                  The Demon & 12clicks
                                                  • Oct 2001
                                                  • 18208

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by abadfish
                                                  I don't have a problem with them including their browser but you should easily and completely be able to remove it.
                                                  A) As far as I know you've ALWAYS been able to remove IE form your computer.

                                                  B) If someone doesn't want to use IE then don't use it. Pretty simple.

                                                  C) I'm not sure this is seen as "more fair". So MS can't include IE with it's OS but the computer maufacturers can put any other browser on there they want. How is it fair that every other browser EXCEPT IE can be included? Talk about anti-competitive the EU is trying to manipulate the browser market by basically shutting out IE. If FF or the other browsers are so much better than IE then people will use them and download them. If the Euros can download movies of girls getting shit on and guys fucking horses then they can download FireFox, Opera, Chrome, Safari or whatever.

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                                                  • kmanrox
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                                                    • Oct 2001
                                                    • 29295

                                                    #26
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                                                    • rowan
                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                      • Mar 2002
                                                      • 17393

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by GatorB
                                                      A) As far as I know you've ALWAYS been able to remove IE form your computer.
                                                      Maybe in the days of Windows 98, but it's a part of the system now. After some trojan issues I tried to remove it from my wife's XP comp and the only way is to fool around with manually deleting files and editing the registry. I chose to upgrade to a newer IE. (She doesn't actively use it but some programs occasionally open IE)

                                                      Originally posted by GatorB
                                                      B) If someone doesn't want to use IE then don't use it. Pretty simple.
                                                      See above. Even though IE is not set as the default browser it is opened by some applications. There's also bits of IE functionality that show up in other parts of the OS... removing IE would probably break that...

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