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  • brassmonkey
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    • Sep 2005
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    Desperate California Could Split Into 4 States

    WTF

    The clock is ticking on California, which must slash its way out of a $21 billion deficit in order to stave off default (that is, if Uncle Sam doesn't extend the state a TARP bailout before then).

    While the problem is serious, the state's uber-democratic system is broken beyond repair. It's truly a failed state, in the classic political science sense of the term. If it were its own country, the US would be consulting with the UN and NATO about establishing a presence and supervising elections.

    So the state needs radical help, and a bailout will only make things worse.

    But theoretically the state is salvageable, argues Breakingviews, if only because the state could both afford higher taxes and reduce state spending. Spending is far from bare-bones levels, and state employees are extremely well paid.

    But Breakingviews actually proposes a much more radical solution, which is breaking California up into 4 distinct states (seriously). Think of it like good bank/bad bank, but for states.

    Actually it's a little different. The idea is not that this will solve the state's financial problems, but that it will split it into four coherent political units, which would be:

    * San Diego/Orange County/Inland Empire (socially conservative, Hispanic, heavily military)
    * Greater LA (Hollywood and Hispanics, very liberal)
    * San Francisco/Silicon Valley (Liberal, but very dynamic and market oriented)
    * Central (Conservative, Kansas-like)

    This is a political scientist's late night fantasy and doing this might actually solve some political problems, but in the end it wouldn't work.

    The first state to go would be Greater LA. You see, the Hollywood liberal types may love to support government spending and immigration, but the moment the entire burden fell on them to support the rest of the population they'd scream bloody murder. You know they would. And it's probably a gloss-over to just say that the San Diego state would be solidly "conservative" just because there's a lot of military and socially conservative Hispanics there. There'd be huge public support tensions over spending and government safety nets.

    Beyond that, national Republicans would never go for this, since you'd essentially be creating three new Democratic states (it sounds like Central would probably be Republican), giving Democrats permanent dominance in the US Senate.

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  • mikeyddddd
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    • Mar 2003
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    • SBJ
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      • Apr 2003
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      #3
      sure split it up so it can be 4 failures instead of one

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      • brassmonkey
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        • Sep 2005
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        #4
        Originally posted by mikeyddddd


        it will be a mess not to mention a new flag
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        • Rangermoore
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          • Jan 2009
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          #5
          Never happen..US Govt won't let it happen...

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          • After Shock Media
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            • Mar 2001
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            #6
            Why does that leave out the actual real northern California (above Sacramento)? Or shall we assume it is included in Central?

            Also what is sort of funny, there has been talks very decades about Northern CA wanting to remove Central and Southern CA. Never would happen but economically it would be perfectly fine.

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            • cherrylula
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              • Jan 2002
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              #7
              they won't even let the SF Valley break off from Los Angeles, never going to happen...

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              • After Shock Media
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                • Mar 2001
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                #8
                Originally posted by cherrylula
                they won't even let the SF Valley break off from Los Angeles, never going to happen...
                OK what about further North? Say Yuba city, Ukiah, Mendocino, Truckee, on up?

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                • Sly
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                  • Sep 2004
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                  #9
                  I always find it fascinating how different northern and southern California are.
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                  • brassmonkey
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                    #10
                    yeah right people said bush would not get a second term and guess what he did
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                    • SuzzyQ
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by mikeyddddd


                      OMG!

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                      • OG LennyT
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                        #12
                        If all the stars/Hollywood idiots would donate a few million to their state, the deficit would be gone.
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                        • After Shock Media
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Sly
                          I always find it fascinating how different northern and southern California are.
                          Oddly it seems most people on GFY have no clue and they often think San Francisco or perhaps maybe Sacramento is northern CA.

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                          • After Shock Media
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by OG LennyT
                            If all the stars/Hollywood idiots would donate a few million to their state, the deficit would be gone.
                            Really?
                            There are that many starts that they could donate several billions just to get the state through this year?
                            What about next year, or the year after that?

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                            • Sly
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                              • Sep 2004
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by After Shock Media
                              Oddly it seems most people on GFY have no clue and they often think San Francisco or perhaps maybe Sacramento is northern CA.
                              LOL. I know what you mean. Those are central! Northern California is beautiful.
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                              • Sly
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by OG LennyT
                                If all the stars/Hollywood idiots would donate a few million to their state, the deficit would be gone.
                                I'm always curious to see how much money guys like Sean Penn, Matt Damon, Tim Robbins, etc. end up paying in taxes every year. I can't imagine their business/financial managers let them simply pay taxes straight up...
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                                • voa
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                                  • Nov 2006
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                                  #17
                                  That is some pretty fuck up

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                                    #18
                                    Part of the reason it's in a financial straightjacket is because of Prop 13.

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                                    • Snake Doctor
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                                      • Mar 2001
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                                      #19
                                      Arnie's approval ratings, and this budget situation, are pretty much the same as when Gray Davis was recalled.

                                      California is pretty much ungovernable it seems, between the property tax laws, overloaded ballot-initiative process, and the fact that it takes a supermajority to pass a budget or a tax increase.

                                      The best executive in the world couldn't run that state under those constraints.
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                                      • After Shock Media
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Snake Doctor
                                        Arnie's approval ratings, and this budget situation, are pretty much the same as when Gray Davis was recalled.

                                        California is pretty much ungovernable it seems, between the property tax laws, overloaded ballot-initiative process, and the fact that it takes a supermajority to pass a budget or a tax increase.

                                        The best executive in the world couldn't run that state under those constraints.
                                        Well that and add in almost anyone who can pay minimum wage and or get volunteers to annoy people at stores or any other place where there are lots of people, can get very stupid shit up for vote. Toss in that if someone does something even slightly unpopular to whatever special interest and their are instant talks of strikes and potential recalls. Then water heavily with people that want everything but will not pay for anything and you nailed it.

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                                        • LA Crew
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                                          #21
                                          Cali is doomed. Why not make all the Hollywood stars pay their rightful share of taxes?

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                                          • James124
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                                            • Jun 2006
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                                            #22
                                            let them legalize pot and tax it, problem solved, coz those fuckers smoke a lot

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                                            • EscortBiz
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by LA_quince
                                              Cali is doomed. Why not make all the Hollywood stars pay their rightful share of taxes?
                                              their income is dropping weekly, movie industry is doomed

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                                              • Rochard
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Sly
                                                I always find it fascinating how different northern and southern California are.
                                                I live in Northern California, just north of Sacramento. Whenever I say I live in California everyone assumes I'm in SoCal. It's beautiful here. No traffic, nice weather, no smog, no crime. Nice.
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                                                • Iron Fist
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                                                  • Dec 2006
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                                                  #25
                                                  I blame this on the tubes.
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                                                  • Snake Doctor
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                                                    • Mar 2001
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by After Shock Media
                                                    Well that and add in almost anyone who can pay minimum wage and or get volunteers to annoy people at stores or any other place where there are lots of people, can get very stupid shit up for vote. Toss in that if someone does something even slightly unpopular to whatever special interest and their are instant talks of strikes and potential recalls.
                                                    That's what I was referring to when I said "overloaded ballot-initiative process.

                                                    Originally posted by After Shock Media
                                                    Then water heavily with people that want everything but will not pay for anything and you nailed it.
                                                    People are like that everywhere, not just CA.
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by sharphead
                                                        I blame this on the tubes.
                                                        as silly as people may think this sounds the tubes torrents and pirate sites etc will cost cali billions, people dont understand nothing until the disaster is in full swing

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                                                        • After Shock Media
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by EscortBiz
                                                          as silly as people may think this sounds the tubes torrents and pirate sites etc will cost cali billions, people dont understand nothing until the disaster is in full swing
                                                          Shh, the entertainment and porn industry are tax exempt in CA and contribute nothing to the economy. The state treats them and everyone in them like most other states treat churches.

                                                          Personally it is not ugly yet. Sure the state is upside money wise. Just wait for the draught to really kick in this year. Aside from agricultural issues which will slam the state hard, it will be very interesting once the fires hit (slides latter in the year). Though it would be interesting to see how the state handles it. Since often it is the very same areas burning each year.

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                                                          • Ethersync
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by EscortBiz
                                                            their income is dropping weekly, movie industry is doomed
                                                            Uh...

                                                            Year to date, domestic box office sales are up 15% from 2008, and 21.8% from 2005. In fact, 2009 has been consistently breaking sales records every month. Three of the top ten April opening weekends in box office history happened this past month, including the number one of all time (Fast and Furious).

                                                            The biggest shocker from the high 2009 numbers is that we haven?t even hit blockbuster season yet. Traditionally, May-August is when the big budget, high grossing pictures hit theaters, and also the time of year that most studios make the majority of their money. This year, it?s all gravy from here on out.
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                                                            • After Shock Media
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Ethersync
                                                              Guess the price of making a movie never goes up either.

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                                                              • Ethersync
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by After Shock Media
                                                                Guess the price of making a movie never goes up either.
                                                                Do I need to remind you what he said?

                                                                their income is dropping weekly, movie industry is doomed
                                                                So are you saying the movie industry is doomed because the price of making a movie is rapidly increasing on a weekly basis? Because their income is surely not dropping weekly...
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                                                                • After Shock Media
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Ethersync
                                                                  Do I need to remind you what he said?



                                                                  So are you saying the movie industry is doomed because the price of making a movie is rapidly increasing on a weekly basis?
                                                                  No I am saying you can not just look at this years box office versus last years as a single indicator of if they are making more money or not.

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                                                                  • Ethersync
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by After Shock Media
                                                                    No I am saying you can not just look at this years box office versus last years as a single indicator of if they are making more money or not.
                                                                    ...but if box offices records are being set each month then it is safe to assume their income is not dropping weekly and that the industry is not "doomed" at least for the foreseeable future
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by mikeyddddd




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                                                                      • After Shock Media
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by Ethersync
                                                                        ...but if box offices records are being set each month then it is safe to assume their income is not dropping weekly and that the industry is not "doomed" at least for the foreseeable future
                                                                        Personally I feel the movie industry is fairly safe for now.
                                                                        TV is another issue and those actors and such are being fucked in the ass weekly so we can put Joe the plumber or nextdoor Nancy on some fake ass 30-60 minute show playing tic tac toe or something.

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                                                                        • GatorB
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          You do realize this was one guy's idea he wrote for an OPed piece not not a actual proposal by someone that actually works for the government

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                                                                          • After Shock Media
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                            You do realize this was one guy's idea he wrote for an OPed piece not not a actual proposal by someone that actually works for the government
                                                                            Really?
                                                                            Ya I think we all realize that it is nothing more than a pipe dream at most. Though I still am all for cutting off Central and Southern CA. They just would never let us go. That would be like asking a parasite to leave its host.

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                                                                            • Ethersync
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by After Shock Media
                                                                              TV is another issue and those actors and such are being fucked in the ass weekly so we can put Joe the plumber or nextdoor Nancy on some fake ass 30-60 minute show playing tic tac toe or something.
                                                                              It's simple economics. Reality TV is way more profitable because it is much cheaper to produce, there are not the SAG complications and people watch it. Definitely sucks to be a TV actor...
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by mikeyddddd


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                                                                                • GatorB
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Rangermoore
                                                                                  Never happen..US Govt won't let it happen...
                                                                                  Actually according to the Constitution it CAN happen. West Virginia used to be part of Virginia until 1863.

                                                                                  Why would the US government care? It's not like they are seceding from the US. If the people of California want it( and it would only happen if they really want it to happen since it takes 2/3 vote) then the US would be stupid to not let it happen. Ok republicans would want it to happen because they keeping losing California in presidential elections and those 55 electoral votes all go the the Democrat candidate. That's 1/5 of what you need to win. By breaking California up into 4 pieces the GOP has a chance of winning 1 of those parts thus increasing their EV count and decreasing the democrats EV count. The dems would be stupid to not let it happen because any Dem candidate that said no would NOT win California in a presidential election. You don't tell at least 2/3 of a state to fuck off and expect them to vote for you.

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