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Old 06-21-2019, 11:33 AM  
kane
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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris View Post
What is irony is politics, usually there is misc factors affecting outcome, yet people always claim how it was due someone problems/views/whatever. In this case, Hillary "scandal" did not affected her, she lost because "swinging states" voted for Trump as he addressed lost jobs issue, something what democrats did not bother to discuss and that was key thing, everything else was unimportant and that is why also why Trump it's still in position despite having tons of scandals which would cause resignation in other democracies.
If you go back and look at the exit polling data in the the three states Hillary lost that she didn't think she would, PA, WI, and MI and you compare them to the 2012 election you will see one huge difference. In 2012 young voters turned out for Obama. In 2016 they did not turn out for Hillary. They didn't vote for Trump but they did vote for 3rd party candidates or just didn't vote at all. To think that her scandals had nothing to do with it, to me, is short-sighted. I don't know how much it affected her vote totals, but I think it played a part.

Yes, ignoring middle class, blue collar workers didn't help her, but we saw in the 2018 midterms those voters are still very willing to vote Democrat again.

I think it will be a very close election in 2020. Trump, however, has done nothing to expand his voter base so he will need everyone who voted for him in 2016 to do so again. Maybe they will, maybe they won't.
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