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Old 06-04-2019, 12:13 AM  
klinton
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surely it was a common effort...But if not the Soviet Union from 1941....
They were responsible for like 70-80 % of LAND war effort in Europe.
And yeah, Nazis and Soviets they were the greatest friends 1939-1941, too....During this time Germans were already genocidal wherever they were....
while USSR was Nazi's friend, England said f... off to Hitler and was standing kind of alone against it 1940-1941...They didnt do separate peace bill with Adolf.

And the fact that Japs didnt attack USSR in 1941 also helped. They had no means to attack though that much, as Japs were only strong with Navy.

IMO the real turning point of WW2 were: failed attack on Moscow in November-December 1941, US joining the war same time... from that is only ride downhill for Germans.
The "funny" thing is that Germans were bcoming more and more genocidal with every year....and they already knew that they will lose the war already from like 1943
oh and one more thing: during one siege of ONE big city in USSR (Leningrad) died more Soviet people than COMBINED amount of US & British military and civilian deaths during the WW2. So this shows good the scale of the effort in ww2...Eastern front was the real shit, just like Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe...People on the west didnt "tasted" the real German face in ww2 that much.
Thats why Germans didnt want to surrender to Russians, they knew that noone from Russia will drink champagne with them (like some Americans and British did), they will simply start to get brutal revenge quickly.
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