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Originally Posted by astronaut x
I sure as fuck am not saying don't bother to stop or deport. But, from everything I here from Reps and Dems, nobody has an answer that is actually going to fix a damn thing. As far as border security goes, I am ALL for beefing up the border where needed. However, I fully beleive that a physical wall, as much as they are asking for , and for the price... is not the answer. We need drones, sensors, man power. The levels of people crossing illegally are going down. We don't need walls where people are not coming across.
So you are trying to make the case for the wall or no?
You said it yourself, NO ONE ANSWER WILL STOP IT ALL. And it sure as fuck is not going to be a wall. I'll get back to that in a sec. However, that wall is going to cost 5 to 10 times more than what he is even asking for. The money is going to go into mostly Mexican companies like Cemex. It is not going stimulate our economy.
Oh man. How about stop thinking like a dumb neanderthal? In my mind, you are the one thinking like a 5 year old. The logic that a wall is going to curb illegals is exactly what I would expect from someone with very little experience in solutions. There is a reason the wall plays well in the minds of republican voters. It's the same mentality that got us in trouble in Iraq. Was going into Iraq the smartest solution? I think we all know the answer to that and the result of that mistake. The wall is going to cost us. Not just now, but well into the future. It is NOT going to be effective enough for the price. Our money would be better spent on things that are actually going to make difference and at a lesser cost.
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A Wall were it's needed will stop some illegal migrants and that's all I ever claimed it would do.
The cost would be savings in Welfare, crime, housing etc.
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How ironic you would say that. Because I can ask you the same thing. With the difference, in that people already know of ways to get around, over, or under the wall.
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Some will do and more effort can be used to detect those methods. Use of drones, electronic technology and others. Employing more people would cost a fortune and produce limited results.
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NO. Corporate America will not allow that, and neither would consumers when prices start to go up.
The wall is nothing but a facade. American Capitalism loves illegal immigration. There have already been businesses that have complained to the government that they need work visas for foriegn workers. About a year ago, Trump had denied tens of thousands of work visas, and some companies were hit hard. They complained, and Trump had to bring those work visas back. This is a shining example of the complexities of this issue. What it should ultimatly tell any rational thinking person, is that as long as there is American Capitalism, there is going to be illegal immigration and evaporation of good paying jobs for legally born Americans.
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There's the facade. Corporate America loves cheap labour, because it doesn't have to bear the crunch of falling wages, welfare, crime, social services, housing and the debt. Remember Corporate America and consumers were the main reason the West lost so many decent jobs. Don't quote unemployment figures without looking to the numbers who gave up looking for a job.
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Thus making paying for the wall an even more senseless and mind numbing painful mistake.
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But you are willing to send your country into spiralling debt, personal debt, increasing wage stagnation and dropping and the loss of the American dream.
Zero tolerance should be given to illegal immigrants. That means no driving licenses, SSN, education, healthcare, employment, accommodation, no one will overstay when their Visa expires if they have no where to live, job, or anything else.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...itions-british
It doesn't matter if it's Britain, Europe or America. Too many workers leads to lower wages and higher social costs.