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  • tical
    Confirmed User
    • Feb 2002
    • 6504

    #1

    SITE OWNERS / PRODUCERS - Protecting your content *LOOK* (part 2)

    this is just an update to an old thread i posted several months back: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?p=15255349

    i figured it deserved its own thread
    --

    alrighty, bet you guys thought i forgot about this... took a bit longer than i expected but i've got something to show you all now:

    have a look at these trailers, all watermarked ***on the fly*** (while streaming / downloaded via right click save as / whatever)

    http://66.78.31.74/samples/munich-trailer-wm-1.mov

    Code:
    Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from 'munich-trailer-wm-1.mov':
    
      Duration: 00:02:30.21, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 2043 kb/s
    
        Stream #0.0(eng): Video: h264, yuv420p, 1280x544, 23.98 tbr, 23.98 tbn, 47.96 tbc
    
        Stream #0.1(eng): Audio: adpcm_ima_qt, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16
    
    Watermark detected! The message is 'hi GFY me again'
    
    Watermark detected! The message is 'hi GFY me again'
    
    
    End of log.
    http://66.78.31.74/samples/shrek_the...h640w-wm-1.mov
    Code:
    Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from 'shrek_the_third-tlr1_h640w-wm-1.mov':
    
      Duration: 00:02:06.17, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 1367 kb/s
    
        Stream #0.0(eng): Video: h264, yuv420p, 640x360, 23.98 tbr, 23.98 tbn, 47.95 tbc
    
        Stream #0.1(eng): Audio: aac, 44100 Hz, stereo, s16
    
        Stream #0.2(eng): Data: tmcd / 0x64636D74
    
    Watermark detected! The message is 'jason was here'
    
    Watermark detected! The message is 'jason was here'
    
    Watermark detected! The message is 'jason was here'
    
    Watermark detected! The message is 'jason was here'
    
    Watermark detected! The message is 'jason was here'
    
    Watermark detected! The message is 'jason was here'
    
    Watermark detected! The message is 'jason was here'
    
    Watermark detected! The message is 'jason was here'
    
    Watermark detected! The message is 'jason was here'
    
    Watermark detected! The message is 'jason was here'
    
    
    End of log.
    http://66.78.31.74/samples/terminator-trailer-wm-1.mov
    Code:
    Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from 'terminator-trailer-wm-1.mov':
    
      Duration: 00:01:02.33, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 6770 kb/s
    
        Stream #0.0(eng): Video: h264, yuv420p, 1280x544, 24 tbr, 24 tbn, 48 tbc
    
        Stream #0.1(eng): Audio: aac, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16
    
        Stream #0.2(eng): Data: tmcd / 0x64636D74
    
        Stream #0.3(eng): Data: rtp  / 0x20707472
    
        Stream #0.4(eng): Data: rtp  / 0x20707472
    
    Watermark detected! The message is 'hello GFY!'
    
    Watermark detected! The message is 'hello GFY!'
    
    Watermark detected! The message is 'hello GFY!'
    
    Watermark detected! The message is 'hello GFY!'
    
    Watermark detected! The message is 'hello GFY!'
    
    Watermark detected! The message is 'hello GFY!'
    
    
    End of log.
    http://66.78.31.74/samples/potter-teaser-wm-1.mov
    Code:
    Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from 'potter-teaser-wm-1.mov':
    
      Duration: 00:01:39.22, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 1183 kb/s
    
        Stream #0.0(eng): Video: h264, yuv420p, 1280x544, 23.98 tbr, 23.98 tbn, 47.95 tbc
    
        Stream #0.1(eng): Audio: aac, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16
    
    Watermark detected! The message is 'X marks the spot'
    
    End of log.
    watermarks are not embedded into the code but rather placed into random video frames

    the video can be cropped, downgraded, modified and the watermarks (at least some of them) will still be recognizable by our software - if the video quality is extremely poor then the watermarks will no longer be recognizable, but the video will also be trash at that point as well

    any string you want to add to the video is possible ON THE FLY, this can be a hash of any type, a database record id, whatever you want it will happen AUTOMATICALLY once installed

    NO RE-ENCODING IS NECESSARY EVER

    the overhead on the server is extremely low, nothing is re-encoded

    ----

    keep in mind, this is a rough prototype / "proof of concept" example, many things can and will be improved such as:

    1. intelligent frame selection of the watermark into "busy" areas so that they remain hardly visible to the naked eye, currently some of the watermark placement is visible (see terminator trailer ending sequence for good example) - this is not a big deal, the code for this intelligent selection is almost ready

    2. randomly sized watermarks, randomly placed

    3. support for remaining codecs and containers (not hard at all, we just focused on a single codec / container right now).

    * it can also support other types of proprietary streaming media services (plug-in feeds, vod, etc)

    ----

    the hardest part is over, the rest is nicely packing it up and deploying it... this can be done on proprietary hardware or via software installed on the end users server

    before i proceed much further with this, i'm looking to speak with people that are interested in financing this, marketing it, and moving forward as partners

    i'm a conceptual guy, i enjoy taking ideas and making them happen... now i need a group or person on the networking/marketing side of things

    if you're interested, shoot me an icq 112 020 756


    most of all, any feedback is great... good or bad, let me know what you all think... lots of possibilities here
    112.020.756
  • tical
    Confirmed User
    • Feb 2002
    • 6504

    #2
    one more thing related to the intelligent frame selection for watermark placement, the luminance of the watermarks can stand out on certain frames (as i know many detectives here will notice)

    we're working the luminance used when superimposing the watermark - some frames without much color might look awkward with a vibrant watermark, we have a solution and it is being worked on
    112.020.756

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    • CrkMStanz
      Confirmed User
      • Jan 2008
      • 517

      #3
      nice
      believe me - without free porn, just as many people will seek porn out on the Internet, and many more will pay if there is no free alternative, its not like sex is a fad - it can be milked much like any renewable resource - long term

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      • ProG
        Confirmed User
        • Apr 2009
        • 1319

        #4
        Does it currently work with any other formats (such as wmv)?
        History will be kind to me for I intend to write it.

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        • tical
          Confirmed User
          • Feb 2002
          • 6504

          #5
          Originally posted by ProG
          Does it currently work with any other formats (such as wmv)?
          No, right now only mov... adding other codecs and containers is not that hard and will happen shortly... this is just a prototype
          112.020.756

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          • stickyfingerz
            Doin fine
            • Oct 2005
            • 24984

            #6
            I have a solution that does this on the fly for streaming vids. Tical if you want hit me up tomorrow, might have some interesting stuff we could do.

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            • tical
              Confirmed User
              • Feb 2002
              • 6504

              #7
              Originally posted by stickyfingerz
              I have a solution that does this on the fly for streaming vids. Tical if you want hit me up tomorrow, might have some interesting stuff we could do.
              cool man will do!

              seems that this is a huge issue on the boards, yet when potential solutions come to light (yours and potentially mine) no one really cares

              doesn't anyone want to know who is stealing their content? want an easy way to brand something with a 2257 record id? want to combat fraud by proving a video released on the internet was downloaded by a member that charged back? want to hold someone legally responsible for sharing your content?
              112.020.756

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              • Barefootsies
                Choice is an Illusion
                • Feb 2005
                • 42635

                #8
                a bump for tootsie
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                • JustDaveXxx
                  I AM JUSTDAVE !
                  • Feb 2005
                  • 4111

                  #9
                  pretty cool. It looks promising.


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                  • tical
                    Confirmed User
                    • Feb 2002
                    • 6504

                    #10
                    Originally posted by JustDaveXxx
                    pretty cool. It looks promising.
                    it will be great for producers too

                    lets say for example you produce a semi-exclusive set of content and let around 5 to 10 webmasters buy it and use it with certain restrictions

                    a while later, this content is everywhere... and you can't point a finger at anyone

                    if you let a webmaster download your content, a few hidden watermarks would be added to their version of the video - linking them to it (you would have to do nothing out of the ordinary other than upload the video to your server as you would any other day)



                    you grab the floating version, cross reference it and find out who is responsible

                    voila!

                    thats just one example of what you can do with something like this
                    112.020.756

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                    • Nautilus
                      Confirmed User
                      • Sep 2002
                      • 1631

                      #11
                      Looks promising, especially if this thing can watermark encrypted flash videos streams too. It'll not solve all piracy problems, but having yet another line of trenches in your defence system is always good.

                      If this product ever becomes commercially available I think we'll give it a try.
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                      • V_RocKs
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                        • Nov 2003
                        • 32451

                        #12
                        Sounds complicated for my high brain to what?

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                        • ExtremeBank_Adam
                          Confirmed User
                          • Dec 2005
                          • 1671

                          #13
                          Maybe I'm missing something...

                          I don't see any watermarks in any of those videos. Am I supposed to see them?

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                          • MaDalton
                            I am Amazing Content!
                            • Feb 2004
                            • 39861

                            #14
                            coolio, bookmarked for a moment where i have more time to read it
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                            • tical
                              Confirmed User
                              • Feb 2002
                              • 6504

                              #15
                              Originally posted by ExtremeBank_Adam
                              Maybe I'm missing something...

                              I don't see any watermarks in any of those videos. Am I supposed to see them?
                              you aren't supposed to see them (but they are visible in some frames more than others)

                              they're supposed to be hidden tags you can retrieve if you need to with any information you want (ie, members username that downloaded it, etc)
                              112.020.756

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                              • stickyfingerz
                                Doin fine
                                • Oct 2005
                                • 24984

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Nautilus
                                Looks promising, especially if this thing can watermark encrypted flash videos streams too. It'll not solve all piracy problems, but having yet another line of trenches in your defence system is always good.

                                If this product ever becomes commercially available I think we'll give it a try.
                                I actually have this and we'll be doing a press release on it very soon for resale. Hit me up if you want a pre press release demo.

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