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Old 02-20-2019, 07:50 AM  
Paul Markham
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I said it myself, we're living in dangerous times. We don't want extreme right to steal the debate but that's where it's going as long as the debate and truth seekers continues being subdued.

EU have everything to do with illegal immigrants, it's a political stance of the western left and liberal governments.

There's no unifying thing going on except among the elite, ordinary people's opinions are being nullified and ridiculed.

The EU have no interest to secure borders, instead it's an ongoing process to change the face of Europe.

Paul have all reasons to be worried and hostile against EU.
The Right are gaining force across Europe because the left, centralist and liberals refuse to admit that under the EU they have got poorer. Some of it is the EUs fault, some not. But the balance of power has moved from local governments to a centralist bureaucracy. That tries to be nice to everyone, "fair" and panders to the needs of corporations before people.

Local governments can be voted out by civilians of the country. A centralist bureaucracy cannot.

No trade deal ever has forced countries within it to give up so much power. Canada has a good deal with the EU, how many Canadian laws are made by by Brussels, can Canada negotiate trade deals with other countries, is Canada forced to accept illegal migrants Merkel mistakenly invited in?

There are 60 other countries not in the EU but with a trade deal. https://cer.eu/in-the-press/eu-has-3...n-after-brexit

The EUs refusal to give the UK a deal will hurt the EU.



Once outside the EU the UK can tell China to buy more or sell less.



Because the future is doing your own deals outside the EU.

The immediate effect will be a run on the GBP, but that will bring down the costs of UK goods around the world. After 10 years the results will be good.

These are #2 reasons for leaving. The #1 reason is to regain powers given away and destroy the EU with a simple trade deal replacing it.
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