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Old 02-05-2019, 09:26 AM  
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Well I have and know people who did. So do we only base it on personal experiences?



99% are stats from the 90s. Try 1-1,000s
whatever but possibly enough to make multimillion revenue


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Please learn about marketing. One gilr promoting herself can and does get better trafficand doesn't need the numbers a big studio site has and she isn't competing with lots of other girls. More chance of catching a Whale.
i told you already a few time that you do not have to teach me marketing. it is my profession what i´ve studied and make much more money with it as you can imagine.

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So show us a picture of your giant offices. Or I will just reply with I had 200 people working for me.
200 people and still be a poor old fart proves that you are not a business man.

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What don't I understand? Programming, Designing, webmastering. I understand how to sell, market, shoot porn, sell porn.
nope - NOTHING from that - really NOTHING

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In the 80s it was. But don't tell me you run a billion pound industry. Unless you can back it up.
i don´t need a billion pound. i am ok with 6-digit every month for me and my life.

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Now you're talking cobblers. The big payers for movies on TV are paid services.
loooooool

as i actually just have newer numbers from germany, austria and switzerland I can share them with you.

revenue from paid content in 2018 was 3,8 billion euro (that includes pay-TV and video on demand)

revenue advertising free tv 15,33 billion
revenue advertising radio 1,95 billion
revenue online advertising 3,66 billion

makes a total of 20,94 billion in the free media versus 3,8 billion in the paid sector.

remember this is 20.94 billion only in germany, austria and switzerland with a population
of approximately 90 million people

SKY´s WORLWIDE revenue (with a population of 7,8 billion was in 2018
12,2 billion pound (and funny is that nearly 1 billion of that is advertising revenue)

so what are you knowing ????

NOTHING !!!!

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Today the industry is very much about advertising, not sure what money is raised from sponsoring, but don't tell us it's more than used to be raised by selling memberships. Because even the Stats prove you wrong. Ads sell traffic to traffic brokers for a few dollars on a 1,000
Back when memberships were the #1 sales. It was $30 to $50 for 300 clicks. More traffic doesn't come into it. People watching free porn are interested in porn. $1 a day isn't a fortune, even better value when a member can pay $30 and download the whole site.
and again you compare appels with pears.

first of all educate yourself about pricing in this industry.
traffic today is mostly sold by CPM - what means ad impressions and not ad clicks.

there are still (or again) a few networks that are selling clicks and it is really not possible (and it was never) to tell you how much a click costs and how it converts.

because this depends on so many factors like country, device, ad and many many more.

but god thanks we do have today the instruments for messuring that and if you would want to buy 300 clicks today from germany desktop from me you would not get them for 30 or 50 dollars.
the highbids for germany in our network are are 0,20 € per click and higher.
if we talk about switzerland or austria they will be even MUCH more expensive.

as you do not even know how the advertising market works I will stop to explain here because you will anyway not get it.


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That's a lie. Newspaper taking are plummeting. https://www.google.com/search?source...03.GG4ko9qD5ao

As usual it's you who are clueless.
i did not find anything else in your google search as what i told you.

here find another example how you can make more with free as with paid


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Agreed and I've never said any different. The reality is I know how markets have changed. Doesn't mean we didn't make more money before free porn devastated the industry. It's only the blind who say online porn revenues are up. It's you that can't see reality, Newspapers make more money online than they did offline.
what you did never understand and will never understand is that dealing with masses of people (today we have 4,2 BILLION people online in 1997 there have been 70 million)
even when each one of those users 1997 would spend 100 dollars per year in the internet
you will not see more than 7 billion revenue over ALL kind of entertainment.
if each one of the 4,2 billion spends only a tenth you already have a 600% bigger market.

but you are still only focused on porn and I am not.
what we are selling today is much more valueable because more and more advertisers see the complete consumer and a chance to sell this consumer everything (no matter if now or at a later point)

that makes lifetime value from a potential buyer 100 times bigger as it is with just porn.

take only the dating market that was even in the old days the number 2 income for webmasters and exploded later to something what is still now 1000 times bigger than porn ever was.

but we do not only sell dating. we sell so many other things more what have nothing to do with a porn video and we make much more revenue from a video when we give it for free.

the lifetime revenue on a tube site from a single user is NOT lower as the lifetime value from a paying user. just the number of this users is much much bigger.

the AVERAGE value from a visitor to a tube site is between 0,002 and 0,005 $ no matter if you show this user 10 CPM ads on a page and he clicks none of them or every 10th user makes a click on a banner.

now multiply that with just an average tube site that have 1 million visitors per day you are already on 2000-5000 dollars revenue PER DAY !!!
but the really big tubes have 100 million per day.

show me how someone can find 100 million customers per day with a product that costs only 1 cent.

and show me how you can make more money with a product that cost 5 dollars.

what you will never understand is the fact that you can ALWAYS only find a few % that will buy a product. to make a big number out of this few % to need a huge basic number.

without free sites porn business would never exist. not before and not now.
the only difference to now is that we are now selling a much broader variation to MUCH MUCH more potential customers. and we do not fucking care if they buy porn or a cat toilette as long as we GET THEM WITH porn.
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