Dear programs. Stop lying to us about how watermarks are to protect your content.

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  • AaronM
    GFY Royality ;)
    • Oct 2001
    • 46917
    #51
    Originally posted by Tempest
    So if you're an affiliate, stop being stupid and fucking yourself out of your sales.. Rip the FHGs to your own server and cut out the fucking watermark.. You WILL see an increase in your sales. And if you're smart, you'll use a template system on the galleries so that if the site goes away or the program starts to redirect it, you can make the changes yourself in just minutes. And if the program goes under, you've got all those galleries and content you can use to promote some other site. Get your head out of your ass.

    Cut the watermarks out of any content I own and I will terminate your payouts but keep your traffic. I may also consider taking legal action against you.

    Yes, watermarks are for branding and since I own the content, I have the right to brand it. Since YOU do not own it, you have ZERO right to remove my watermarks.

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      • Agent 488
        Registered User
        • Feb 2006
        • 22511
        #52
        what if some dude sees a girl on my site and goes to your review site to see if it's any good and decides to sign up and you get credit for the sale?

        whoa, i think i got ripped off there somehow ...! i think you owe me some $$$!

        where does it end. this is a fucking a joke.

        if you don't like the promo materials don't promote the program. if you can't find anyone who isn't "fucking you around" start your own paysite. simple.

        Originally posted by Socks
        Shap should start TwistyZ.com

        Make it so that nobody can promote it

        Re-watermark everything he owns to TwistyZ.com

        Claim everything is better and hi-def there.

        Cut $5 off the price.

        You'd be filling buckets with the extra money, and paying affiliates less in no time! ;)

        I highly, highly doubt Shap would make that move on his affiliates, but times are hard! Affiliates would only have two choices - do nothing, or stop promoting a great series of sites that convert.

        Lots of people in this industry ARE making this decision.. Pretty rough.

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          • After Shock Media
            It's coming look busy
            • Mar 2001
            • 35299
            #53
            Originally posted by Tempest
            Really? Seriously? Could you tell me how you perform that magic?

            If you actually cookie FHG gallery hits with the affiliates ID so that they WOULD get sales from typeins, then you are the only program I've ever heard about that would do that and kudos to you.
            Honestly the way most people do ccbill links, especially hosted gallery ones. The surfer gets a cookie set when they hit the gallery. Unless you have never seen people giving people long ccbill gallery links before and if that is the case you either do not promote many ccbill sponsors or something.

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              • Tempest
                Too lazy to set a custom title
                • May 2004
                • 10217
                #54
                Originally posted by Robbie
                And maybe, just maybe you should change your opinion of my "shit" and start working and promoting people like me that do all of our own work and are NOT big monolithic companies. Just a thought.
                I love Claudia Marie. I have traffic for her site. But you and I constantly bash heads and so there's no motivation for me to put in the time and effort to send you guys any of that traffic or sales.

                Let me reiterate I FUCKING LOVE Claudia Marie and those gorgeous tits of hers... ha ha ha

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                  • Tempest
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • May 2004
                    • 10217
                    #55
                    Originally posted by AaronM
                    Cut the watermarks out of any content I own and I will terminate your payouts but keep your traffic. I may also consider taking legal action against you.

                    Yes, watermarks are for branding and since I own the content, I have the right to brand it. Since YOU do not own it, you have ZERO right to remove my watermarks.
                    I don't promote your stuff and never will so no worries there...

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                      • Due
                        Confirmed User
                        • Mar 2001
                        • 3620
                        #56
                        Really an interested concept.

                        Back when I was a webmaster,99% of all programs didn't have free content available.

                        The programs that did, had maybe 10-20 picture sets.

                        It was a general understand that if you did not like what programs was giving to you for FREE, you could go to a content shop and buy something you liked. Including content to make your own banners!

                        Again it was also the general assumption that you worked WITH the sponsors, sometimes even FOR the sponsor, it wasn't the sponsor working for you.

                        The webmasters that make the sponsors money now, is not the webmasters that suck in 50K hosted galleries and 100K free FLV movies to automatically post to their sites, traffic to that will be one in a dozen and most of the time you'll hardly be able to measure a click through ratio yet alone a signup ratio

                        Anyone that really wish special treatments should select a handful of affiliate programs to work with, focus their efforts on selling the sites rather than linking to them, I'll pretty much guarantee anyone that works with a descent sponsor and bring in anything more than 1-2 sales per day consistently will be more than happy to provide you with further tools to improve your conversions and sales.

                        Treat it like a business and do the math, calculate if the value of the revenues you bring in would justify setting time aside to do whatever you ask.


                        This isn't aimed at anyone specific just based on constant "thread titles" I've seen recently
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                          • james_clickmemedia
                            Confirmed User
                            • Apr 2003
                            • 2204
                            #57
                            Originally posted by Tempest
                            Putting your watermark on the videos and pictures has ZERO to do with protecting it. It's about "BRANDING".. that's a MARKETING term.. You want surfers to remember the name of the site and TYPE IT IN thus gaining the program sales they keep 100% to themselves. And when surfers see videos or pictures on a site that's advertising another site, they will type in the domain thus cutting out the affiliate. Anyone one that doesn't believe that is a moron.. Any program saying it doesn't happen or is "minimal" is a blatant liar. Surfers have been trained over the year to know that the content they see on a gallery is NOT what they will necessarily get if they sign up to the site... Knowing that, they're going to type in the domain to try and ensure they DO get that content because that's what they want and has triggered them to pull out the credit card. Seriously people. If it wasn't making programs more money than they're willing to say do you really think they would be so blatantly doing it more and more? I mean really.. Why do you think Brazzers has been so aggressive about doing it?

                            Here's the kicker.. In order to "protect" their content, programs could be embedding their copywrite into the videos themselves when they encode it.. VERY FEW do that.. THAT'S what's required to protect their property, NOT watermarking. Any program that isn't embedding the info in their videos is blatantly lying to you about why they're using branding watermarks.

                            So if you're an affiliate, stop being stupid and fucking yourself out of your sales.. Rip the FHGs to your own server and cut out the fucking watermark.. You WILL see an increase in your sales. And if you're smart, you'll use a template system on the galleries so that if the site goes away or the program starts to redirect it, you can make the changes yourself in just minutes. And if the program goes under, you've got all those galleries and content you can use to promote some other site. Get your head out of your ass.
                            Why are you so angry? Let your traffic do the talking....
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                              • Robbie
                                Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                • Aug 2002
                                • 20960
                                #58
                                Originally posted by Tempest
                                I love Claudia Marie. I have traffic for her site. But you and I constantly bash heads and so there's no motivation for me to put in the time and effort to send you guys any of that traffic or sales.
                                We only bash heads because you were totally disrespectful to me. I don't mind a heated argument between two people with differing experiences and viewpoints. But you've taken it pretty personal on me a couple of times and hurt my internet feelings.
                                You want to bury the hatchet, I'm totally into that. I never came on GFY in the beginning to make enemies. I originally came here to do business and make friends. We both know the place has gotten so trollish that it hasn't been very conducive to that in the last few years.

                                But I'm reaching my hand out now to you. You don't need to send me any traffic or anything like that. We'll both do just fine without the other...I'm just saying I'd like to bury the hatchet.

                                Now come over here and give me an internet hug.
                                -Robbie
                                ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                  • AaronM
                                    GFY Royality ;)
                                    • Oct 2001
                                    • 46917
                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by Tempest
                                    I don't promote your stuff and never will so no worries there...

                                    As if you have any idea what I do and or don't own.

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                                      • Tempest
                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                        • May 2004
                                        • 10217
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by After Shock Media
                                        Honestly the way most people do ccbill links, especially hosted gallery ones. The surfer gets a cookie set when they hit the gallery. Unless you have never seen people giving people long ccbill gallery links before and if that is the case you either do not promote many ccbill sponsors or something.
                                        I promote a lot of ccbill programs and very few do what you're talking about becuase it creates this massive raw/uni click number that makes it so you can't see what your conversion rates... Most programs are using the woj script (or something similar) for their FHGs.

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                                          • Socks
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • May 2002
                                            • 8475
                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by AaronM
                                            As if you have any idea what I do and or don't own.
                                            tempest, you're promoting AaronM's work almost no matter where you aim your traffic I'm afraid... He's uhm, guilty by association.

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                                              • JimmiDean
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Nov 2004
                                                • 3433
                                                #62
                                                Originally posted by Shap
                                                I think affiliates should think LONG and HARD before following your advice. Especially to take content and cut out the watermarks. Any affiliate that does that to our content will be immediately terminated and no longer be allowed to use our content.

                                                We watermark our content however it's watermarked with the site you are promoting. Twistys content has a Twistys.com watermark and you promote Twistys.com. If the surfer types in twistys.com your id will be cookied and you'll get credit. You don't get screwed out of anything.

                                                That being said it's very important for us to have our watermark on our videos and pictures. Our content is the highest quality and hottest content out there. Most surfers don't give a shit about looking at the embedded info. It is important to us that when they see our high quality content they see the Twistys logo. We want them to know that Twistys = HOT Babes and Smoking Hot Content!
                                                Well said.
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                                                  • AaronM
                                                    GFY Royality ;)
                                                    • Oct 2001
                                                    • 46917
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by Tempest
                                                    I don't promote your stuff and never will so no worries there...

                                                    And for the record...Although my statement quoted you, it applies to anybody who tries pulling that shit. Just telling people to do it makes you a thief in my book.

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                                                      • l0lf4c3
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Feb 2008
                                                        • 574
                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by Robbie
                                                        And if I catch an affiliate doing that I'll term them so fast it'll make their head spin.

                                                        Just like I would expect it to happen to me if I were to try that as an affiliate.
                                                        I hope the sponsors on your granny tube blog ...(?) site will do the same with you for watermarking their watermarked content (shit, this getting confusing aint it?)


                                                        Originally posted by Robbie
                                                        Because you are a stupid fuck who has no idea how to make money. Stop posting kid.
                                                        Thanks for heads up, go shake hands with teh ugly hairy fat bitch carrying the same attitude. I wont even quote from the rest of your shines, this one delivers enough.


                                                        Originally posted by pornguy
                                                        How do you figure.. They dont get a cookie unless they click something.
                                                        Dont worry, them encourage cookie stuffing. (feel the sarcasm, he just didnt get his morning coffee...
                                                        ... wait what?)


                                                        Originally posted by Tempest
                                                        So if you're an affiliate, stop being stupid and fucking yourself out of your sales.. Rip the FHGs to your own server and cut out the fucking watermark..

                                                        ...some other site... Get your head out of your ass.
                                                        Who cares about shitty fhgs anyways?
                                                        But still, if they have it in their terms to not touch the watermark, doing so would be stealing. Besides todays surfer knows perfectly if he is on an affiliate site or paysite. Actually todays surfer uses affiliate sites to find the content he wants (this carries naturally a preview of the product, call it a demo if it makes it easier). Its amazing how some of you think every single buyer is a first timer on the internet. Wake up, a whole generation passed by.
                                                        If the surfer is looking for free content, he will care very little about the watermark in it (except that its annoying, but still, free).

                                                        Thus i cant accept my head in my ass.

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                                                          • Tempest
                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                            • May 2004
                                                            • 10217
                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by Socks
                                                            tempest, you're promoting AaronM's work almost no matter where you aim your traffic I'm afraid... He's uhm, guilty by association.
                                                            I know that.. But that's promoting the companies he's licensed his content to, not companies he owns... His content is hot shit and all over the place.

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                                                              • Tempest
                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                • May 2004
                                                                • 10217
                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                And for the record...Although my statement quoted you, it applies to anybody who tries pulling that shit. Just telling people to do it makes you a thief in my book.
                                                                And if you're watermarking the content to promote a different site, then you're attempting to steal from me making you a thief in my book.. If you're watermarking your content for the site that's being promoted, then you and I will never have a problem.

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                                                                  • nexcom28
                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                    • Jan 2005
                                                                    • 3716
                                                                    #67
                                                                    I actually agree with you in a roundabout kinda way.

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                                                                      • Tempest
                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                        • May 2004
                                                                        • 10217
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                        We only bash heads because you were totally disrespectful to me. I don't mind a heated argument between two people with differing experiences and viewpoints. But you've taken it pretty personal on me a couple of times and hurt my internet feelings.
                                                                        You want to bury the hatchet, I'm totally into that. I never came on GFY in the beginning to make enemies. I originally came here to do business and make friends. We both know the place has gotten so trollish that it hasn't been very conducive to that in the last few years.

                                                                        But I'm reaching my hand out now to you. You don't need to send me any traffic or anything like that. We'll both do just fine without the other...I'm just saying I'd like to bury the hatchet.

                                                                        Now come over here and give me an internet hug.
                                                                        Perectly willing to burry the hatchet.. I'm having my man period right now though so any hugs will need to wait for my PMSing to end.

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                                                                          • Robbie
                                                                            Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                                            • 20960
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Originally posted by Tempest
                                                                            Perectly willing to burry the hatchet.. I'm having my man period right now though so any hugs will need to wait for my PMSing to end.
                                                                            So I guess consummating our relationship will have to wait..
                                                                            -Robbie
                                                                            ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                                              • baddog
                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                • Apr 2001
                                                                                • 107089
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by Tempest
                                                                                So if you're an affiliate, stop being stupid and fucking yourself out of your sales.. Rip the FHGs to your own server and cut out the fucking watermark.. You WILL see an increase in your sales.
                                                                                None of which you will get paid for since you most likely violated their TOS by doing so.

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                                                                                  • Tempest
                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                    • May 2004
                                                                                    • 10217
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                    None of which you will get paid for since you most likely violated their TOS by doing so.
                                                                                    Yeah... what's funny is that I had a long time program owner that I had a close relationship with actually tell me to cut the watermark off their content in order to get more sales...

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                                                                                      • Due
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Mar 2001
                                                                                        • 3620
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by Tempest
                                                                                        Yeah... what's funny is that I had a long time program owner that I had a close relationship with actually tell me to cut the watermark off their content in order to get more sales...
                                                                                        Are you pissed that this one program owner gave you some benefits that others do not get because you have an established relationship with or are you pissed that other program owners you do not have an established relationship with do not give you these benefits?

                                                                                        Or are you simply concerned about your fellow webmasters ? What about the content producers? Licenses is normally issued on a domain basis unless it's exclusive, what's the best way to track that ? What about 2257s etc, should the sponsor be responsible for that as well ? (the content on your server, not theirs)
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                                                                                          • baddog
                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                            • Apr 2001
                                                                                            • 107089
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by Tempest
                                                                                            Yeah... what's funny is that I had a long time program owner that I had a close relationship with actually tell me to cut the watermark off their content in order to get more sales...
                                                                                            I think doing it with the program's blessing is significantly different than taking matters into your own hand.

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                                                                                              • Tempest
                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                • May 2004
                                                                                                • 10217
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                Originally posted by Due
                                                                                                Are you pissed that this one program owner gave you some benefits that others do not get because you have an established relationship with or are you pissed that other program owners you do not have an established relationship with do not give you these benefits?

                                                                                                Or are you simply concerned about your fellow webmasters ? What about the content producers? Licenses is normally issued on a domain basis unless it's exclusive, what's the best way to track that ? What about 2257s etc, should the sponsor be responsible for that as well ? (the content on your server, not theirs)
                                                                                                My comment about the program owner was to show that the programs are well aware that their watermark takes sales away from affiliates.

                                                                                                What was this thread about? It was about programs saying that their watermarks were about "protecting" content which it is not what they're doing when they put the watermark on there.

                                                                                                I'm pissed at programs for blatently trying to steal sales from me.. I'm pissed at cry baby affiliates whining about it and then not actually doing anything about it.. My first post was addressed to programs, but I also told affiliates to "get their head out of their ass". I'm an equal opportunity whiner.

                                                                                                Out of the hundred or so programs I promote, there's not one that gives a shit if I host the FHGs myself regardless of what their TOS might say... Many of them even offer that as an option and many more offer the same content for affiliates to build their own galleries.

                                                                                                Once more... This thread is about the purpose of the watermark the programs put on their content.

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                                                                                                  • Shap
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • May 2001
                                                                                                    • 8313
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by pornguy
                                                                                                    How do you figure.. They dont get a cookie unless they click something.
                                                                                                    That was assuming they've been to the tour. If they don't hit the tour obviously that doesn't apply.

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                                                                                                      • d-null
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                                                                                                        • Apr 2007
                                                                                                        • 13724
                                                                                                        #76
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                                                                                                        no watermark or even sponsor links are necessary when the product being sold is not paysite memberships (especially when all the content is already right there in great quality for free)

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                                                                                                          • Kevin Marx
                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                            • Apr 2007
                                                                                                            • 1888
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Just one thing to add, and I am pretty sure it won't be very popular..... Affiliates are upset that they can lose sales when surfers get to the sites through a channel different than the path they have set-up. Certainly a concern and something I would be wanting to protect if I were an affiliate.

                                                                                                            However, I don't think anyone ever addresses the fact of what other business/sales model do you know of where the "sales-person" gets a 50/50 cut with the business? Seriously??? My spouse has worked in Sales for 20 years now and her largest Commission rate ever was 10%. I heard of someone making 25% once and he covered 100% of his expenses which were far and beyond what I know any affiliate could blow on bandwidth.

                                                                                                            I my experience, a 50/50 split with affiliates has meant approximately a 70/30 share over time. Some affiliates I assume are closer to 50/50 while others have traffic that bleeds out and doesn't get credited. As a program owner, I am fine with that share ratio and affiliates that complain about it need to look at the other side of the coin. Where else will you make 50% on a sale? If you know how to sell to your surfers, you won't have any bleeds and you will be better off than the next guy.

                                                                                                            Just like in the mainstream world, if you can get another salesguy to do the same job for less, odds are you will take him instead of your higher priced previous one. If we as program owners setup sales rules and regulations that affiliates don't agree with, they can either accept them and make money together or you can go sell someone else that has rules/regs that you are happier with. Pretty simple concepts really.

                                                                                                            With that in mind, I would never agree with an affiliate trashing my watermark. I put on it what I wish. You sell it if you want to. An agreement with an affiliate is not an equal partnership except monetarily (and many times an affiliate takes 60 or 70%). You are an independent contractor and have no say in how the program is run. Your sole purpose is to sell and in that purpose you make program owners happy. Believing that you get to make decisions which affect the operations of the program is silly. I would never come to you and tell you how to operate your TGP/Tube/Blog, etc.. you would tell me in no uncertain terms to GFY...

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                                                                                                              • Due
                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                • Mar 2001
                                                                                                                • 3620
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                Originally posted by Tempest
                                                                                                                My comment about the program owner was to show that the programs are well aware that their watermark takes sales away from affiliates.

                                                                                                                What was this thread about? It was about programs saying that their watermarks were about "protecting" content which it is not what they're doing when they put the watermark on there.

                                                                                                                I'm pissed at programs for blatently trying to steal sales from me.. I'm pissed at cry baby affiliates whining about it and then not actually doing anything about it.. My first post was addressed to programs, but I also told affiliates to "get their head out of their ass". I'm an equal opportunity whiner.

                                                                                                                Out of the hundred or so programs I promote, there's not one that gives a shit if I host the FHGs myself regardless of what their TOS might say... Many of them even offer that as an option and many more offer the same content for affiliates to build their own galleries.

                                                                                                                Once more... This thread is about the purpose of the watermark the programs put on their content.
                                                                                                                The sponsors have every right on earth to put this on THEIR content, you have every right on earth to promote something else with YOUR traffic.
                                                                                                                Most affiliates don't care, that's your advantage, that's more sales for you to pocket. The worse your "link trades" is doing at marketing the more sales you will pocket.
                                                                                                                I would change the sentense "Out of the hundred or so programs I promote" to be "Out of the hundred or so programs I use and the selected I promote"

                                                                                                                I'm pretty sure the majority of the sponsors put watermarks on the content since most of their affiliates is using 100s of various affiliate programs but they don't get regular sales, in return for their free content at least they get some branding that help also the active affiliates in bringing in more sales since it gives a higher consumer confidence

                                                                                                                I didn't run websites for years though, so my idea of what you need to do to make a successful website that generate good revenues might be completely wrong, I just know how it used to be
                                                                                                                Last edited by Due; 04-30-2009, 02:01 PM.
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                                                                                                                  • AaronM
                                                                                                                    GFY Royality ;)
                                                                                                                    • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                    • 46917
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Tempest
                                                                                                                    And if you're watermarking the content to promote a different site, then you're attempting to steal from me making you a thief in my book.. If you're watermarking your content for the site that's being promoted, then you and I will never have a problem.

                                                                                                                    Why would I ever watermark content to promote a different site?

                                                                                                                    Obviously you and I already have a problem or you would not have posted:

                                                                                                                    "I don't promote your stuff and never will so no worries there..."

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                                                                                                                      • Socks
                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                        • May 2002
                                                                                                                        • 8475
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Very good points Kevin.

                                                                                                                        My only addition/correction would be that this is a change in terms that wasn't discussed. Like a baseball player makes a deal one day, then the team decides a month later to make a major change to his contract without talking with him first. He is "free to play somewhere else if he wants"....

                                                                                                                        When I agree to promote a program, many times I put in a lot of hours of work. When things like this happen, I can't just easily 'promote someone else' when I don't like something. It's a change to our business relationship that wasn't discussed, planned for, and is completely one sided.

                                                                                                                        No affiliate is here claiming it's bad to brand your content, or that we don't like your watermarks, or that you shouldn't protect your business.

                                                                                                                        However clearly it's a big step to change what site is branded (and marketed!) through the watermark.

                                                                                                                        It's basically saying you'll do what the hell you want with affiliate traffic.

                                                                                                                        Is that a good precedent in program/affiliate relationships going forward?

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                                                                                                                          • d-null
                                                                                                                            . . .
                                                                                                                            • Apr 2007
                                                                                                                            • 13724
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Kevin-SFBucks
                                                                                                                            However, I don't think anyone ever addresses the fact of what other business/sales model do you know of where the "sales-person" gets a 50/50 cut with the business? Seriously??? My spouse has worked in Sales ...

                                                                                                                            you can't even begin to compare percentage cuts between digital "goods" and other finite products in the "real world".... one could even argue for the side that an affiliate with a surfer that is ready to buy could even command a higher "cut" than 50/50

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                                                                                                                              • AaronM
                                                                                                                                GFY Royality ;)
                                                                                                                                • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                • 46917
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by d-null
                                                                                                                                you can't even begin to compare percentage cuts between digital "goods" and other finite products in the "real world".... one could even argue for the side that an affiliate with a surfer that is ready to buy could even command a higher "cut" than 50/50

                                                                                                                                Software is digital goods. I don't see Microsoft paying out a 50/50 split.

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                                                                                                                                  • d-null
                                                                                                                                    . . .
                                                                                                                                    • Apr 2007
                                                                                                                                    • 13724
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                                                                                    Software is digital goods. I don't see Microsoft paying out a 50/50 split.
                                                                                                                                    microsoft is a monopoly when it comes to most of their main product line, but if there were 1000 microsoft's competing equally on the net and selling their software digitally through downloads, you would see 50/50 and higher for affiliates I am pretty sure

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                                                                                                                                      • AaronM
                                                                                                                                        GFY Royality ;)
                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                        • 46917
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by d-null
                                                                                                                                        microsoft is a monopoly when it comes to most of their main product line, but if there were 1000 microsoft's competing equally on the net and selling their software digitally through downloads, you would see 50/50 and higher for affiliates I am pretty sure

                                                                                                                                        These days, music is also digital goods.

                                                                                                                                        Does iTunes have a 50/50 affiliate program? Or do you consider them a monopoly too?

                                                                                                                                        There are a lot of software companies out there who offer similar products to one another and not a single one has a 50/50 program that I am aware of.

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                                                                                                                                          • Biggy
                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                            • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                            • 1595
                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            It's in affiliate's best interest to say there should be no watermark. It's in the program's interest to protect and brand their content.

                                                                                                                                            You have fair people and unfair people. Fair people, IMO, will agree branding content is OK. Affiliates who try to squeeze every penny out, or who are struggling themselves, won't think its fair. People act in their own best interest. Affiliate programs have to be fair or else they risk losing affiliates. The main disconnect is some affiliates think affiliate programs are cake, and we are making money hand over fist - it just isnt true. Both sides need to make money. I'll say one thing, you can argue until you are blue in the face, every successful company will continue to brand - the biggest adult companies are the biggest brands, and you cannot argue with success. Also, all their success is predicated on the brand - you take away that, and they would all be in much more precarious situations :2cents

                                                                                                                                            Brazzers, Bang Bros, Adult Friend Finder, Playboy, Hustler, Live Jasmine - I can go on and on. If you want to be a market player, you need a brand.
                                                                                                                                            Last edited by Biggy; 04-30-2009, 02:44 PM.

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                                                                                                                                              • d-null
                                                                                                                                                . . .
                                                                                                                                                • Apr 2007
                                                                                                                                                • 13724
                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                itunes doesn't even use affiliates, do they? seems to me they are all about huge money mainstream advertising and placement, whole different game, and in the realm of legal music catalog sales they are in a limited competition situation as well....

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                                                                                                                                                  • Killswitch - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    This thread is ridiculous, if you don't like how a program marks THEIR content, don't promote them.

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                                                                                                                                                      • AaronM
                                                                                                                                                        GFY Royality ;)
                                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                                        • 46917
                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by d-null
                                                                                                                                                        itunes doesn't even use affiliates, do they? seems to me they are all about huge money mainstream advertising and placement, whole different game, and in the realm of legal music catalog sales they are in a limited competition situation as well....

                                                                                                                                                        You appear to be completely missing the point.

                                                                                                                                                        I don't give a rats ass if it's digital goods or not. There are PLENTY of mainstream products that are not digital goods and that compete with others and still have huge mark ups. 50/50 is more than MOST affiliates are worth.

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                                                                                                                                                          • cherrylula
                                                                                                                                                            lol
                                                                                                                                                            • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                                            • 15969
                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Shap
                                                                                                                                                            If the surfer types in twistys.com your id will be cookied and you'll get credit. You don't get screwed out of anything.
                                                                                                                                                            uh, not if they haven't clicked through a link code yet... I mean, duh.

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                                                                                                                                                              • Mickey_
                                                                                                                                                                • Nov 2005
                                                                                                                                                                • 4238
                                                                                                                                                                #90
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by d-null
                                                                                                                                                                itunes doesn't even use affiliates, do they? seems to me they are all about huge money mainstream advertising and placement, whole different game, and in the realm of legal music catalog sales they are in a limited competition situation as well....
                                                                                                                                                                Itunes does have an affiliate program through LinkShare. Their payout is 5%...
                                                                                                                                                                Last edited by Mickey_; 04-30-2009, 03:04 PM.


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                                                                                                                                                                  • cherrylula
                                                                                                                                                                    lol
                                                                                                                                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                                                    • 15969
                                                                                                                                                                    #91
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by fuzebox
                                                                                                                                                                    The amount of typein sales you pick up when you start your own paysites is amazing
                                                                                                                                                                    So true. You can make more with $20 of content and your own shitty little avs than with any large sites. No leaks.

                                                                                                                                                                    but if I was a large program owner, I'd do the same thing. Its business, not broness.
                                                                                                                                                                    Last edited by cherrylula; 04-30-2009, 03:04 PM.

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                                                                                                                                                                      • aniloscash
                                                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2008
                                                                                                                                                                        • 1161
                                                                                                                                                                        #92
                                                                                                                                                                        we spend a ton of money on producing original content and most of our effort is to be sure the affiliates have what they need to promote the site. funny I was just telling someone in the office that we should have our water mark on the screen caps. I guess there are two perspectives on this issue. I'm pretty sure if we caught affiliates removing out watermarks we would terminate their account. As far as I know the only affiliates we have had to terminate so far are ones that have 1:10 ratios and were sending fraudulent signups. But anyone using our content without linking to the site would be a big issue.
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                                                                                                                                                                          • bdld
                                                                                                                                                                            $100,000
                                                                                                                                                                            • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                                                            • 11452
                                                                                                                                                                            #93
                                                                                                                                                                            what about banners where the url takes up half the banner, what a traffic leak that is. what i do instead is create my own banners. voila.

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                                                                                                                                                                              • quantum-x
                                                                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                • 6863
                                                                                                                                                                                #94
                                                                                                                                                                                The thing that's I find most bewildering about this entire debacle is that the power is in YOUR HANDS as an affiliate to do as you wish.

                                                                                                                                                                                Let me highlight:
                                                                                                                                                                                OK, so you're promoting bangbus, but it's watermarked as bangbros.com.

                                                                                                                                                                                You've got three options here.
                                                                                                                                                                                #1 - You decide to drop the program
                                                                                                                                                                                OK, that's your choice. It's probably not the smartest thing to do, if they convert, but this is a choice you have. Noone is forcing you to promote them.

                                                                                                                                                                                #2 - Promote the site in a fashion ALA CCBill
                                                                                                                                                                                Get a redirect link setup, where the cookie is set before, on their domain, so if someone types-in, your cookie is there.
                                                                                                                                                                                Yes, this may skew your stats, but that's why you have campaigns. More data: more results.

                                                                                                                                                                                #3 - You embed an image in your page that sets a cookie for bangbros.com
                                                                                                                                                                                That way, if the surfer types in bangbros.com - your cookie is magically there.
                                                                                                                                                                                There's no secret to this - I *always* did this when promoting galleries to prevent leaks

                                                                                                                                                                                So in a simple situation, you've got multiple options, and multiple ways to solve the problem.

                                                                                                                                                                                Summary:
                                                                                                                                                                                - Sometimes, you have to look to yourself for answers.
                                                                                                                                                                                - You're in the game to make money via promoting sites.
                                                                                                                                                                                - Sites are in the game to make money via promoting their brand

                                                                                                                                                                                Be proactive. Speak to your sponsor, fix the problem, and chuckle at the next person who complains about the issue on the board, because you know you have the edge over them in business because you overcame the similar problem yourself..

                                                                                                                                                                                Don't be a douche and spew crap over a board.
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • baddog
                                                                                                                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                    • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                    • 107089
                                                                                                                                                                                    #95
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by cherrylula
                                                                                                                                                                                    So true. You can make more with $20 of content and your own shitty little avs than with any large sites. No leaks.
                                                                                                                                                                                    No doubt.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • CyberHustler
                                                                                                                                                                                        Masterbaiter
                                                                                                                                                                                        • Feb 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 28777
                                                                                                                                                                                        #96
                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by quantum-x
                                                                                                                                                                                        #3 - You embed an image in your page that sets a cookie for bangbros.com
                                                                                                                                                                                        That way, if the surfer types in bangbros.com - your cookie is magically there.
                                                                                                                                                                                        There's no secret to this - I *always* did this when promoting galleries to prevent leaks
                                                                                                                                                                                        Excuse my noobism, but how do you do that? Thanks in advance.
                                                                                                                                                                                        “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • quantum-x
                                                                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                            • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                            • 6863
                                                                                                                                                                                            #97
                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by CyberHustler
                                                                                                                                                                                            Excuse my noobism, but how do you do that? Thanks in advance.
                                                                                                                                                                                            Say your linking code is: http://discount.teengfs.com/track/MzoyOjE/

                                                                                                                                                                                            Put this in your HTML:
                                                                                                                                                                                            <img src="http://discount.teengfs.com/track/MjoxOTox/" width="0" height="0" />

                                                                                                                                                                                            Load up that HTML page, and then type in: www.teengfs.com

                                                                                                                                                                                            Just like magic, your cookie is already there.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Oh shit, I hope I don't get killed by the brotherhood of oldschoolers for letting this one slip ;)
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • CyberHustler
                                                                                                                                                                                                Masterbaiter
                                                                                                                                                                                                • Feb 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 28777
                                                                                                                                                                                                #98
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by quantum-x
                                                                                                                                                                                                Say your linking code is: http://discount.teengfs.com/track/MzoyOjE/

                                                                                                                                                                                                Put this in your HTML:
                                                                                                                                                                                                <img src="http://discount.teengfs.com/track/MjoxOTox/" width="0" height="0" />

                                                                                                                                                                                                Load up that HTML page, and then type in: www.teengfs.com

                                                                                                                                                                                                Just like magic, your cookie is already there.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Oh shit, I hope I don't get killed by the brotherhood of oldschoolers for letting this one slip ;)
                                                                                                                                                                                                Thanks dude. I swear I feel like an idiot for not thinking of that. I wonder what other little simple tricks like that I'm missing out on.
                                                                                                                                                                                                “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • BlackCrayon
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 19634
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                                                                                                                    i stopped using free content because of watermarks. You really don't need any content at all to make sales....
                                                                                                                                                                                                    you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • CyberHustler
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Masterbaiter
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Feb 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 28777
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #100
                                                                                                                                                                                                        100 watermarks
                                                                                                                                                                                                        “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

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