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  • Paul Markham
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    • Jun 2001
    • 52942
    #1

    Germany and the EU are heading into recession

    https://www.google.com/search?source...10.raU12l3coo4

    https://www.theguardian.com/business...on-its-germany

    [IMG]News that German industrial production fell by 1.9% in November came as a nasty shock. The stock response to the contraction in the third quarter was that it was due to the tightening up of European vehicle emission standards which led to one-off problems for its carmakers that would quickly be overcome.[/IMG]

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/08/germ...recession.html

    Another set of dismal industrial data from Germany has raised concerns over Germany’s economy.

    German industrial production declined 1.9 percent month-on-month in November, coming in way below a consensus for growth of 0.3 percent.

    Germany’s statistics office publishes preliminary GDP data for the fourth quarter and 2018 next week.
    Another good reason to leave the EU. For an economy like the UK to tie itself to others is bad. To tie itself politically to others is madness. Because one good economy can adjust itself faster and better to suit itself than 29 of mixed abilities all looking out for themselves.

    Would Germany be better off on it's own? Why not. It's still a great economy, great manufacturing, great people. But tied to place like Greece, Bulgaria, Cyprus, etc it will struggle because or the way the EU is run, votes and shares out the strong countries money.



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    • Klen
      • Aug 2006
      • 32235
      #2
      Nothing unusual, it cannot be always growth sometime it need to go down. Also, Germany is big thanks to no tariffs and huge export, otherwise they would not make anything. For example, i spent a lot of money on german products as they are usually quite cheap, with tariff they would not be cheapest so i would have to buy something else.

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        • thommy
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          • Jun 2003
          • 5469
          #3
          Originally posted by Paul Markham
          https://www.google.com/search?source...10.raU12l3coo4

          https://www.theguardian.com/business...on-its-germany

          [IMG]News that German industrial production fell by 1.9% in November came as a nasty shock. The stock response to the contraction in the third quarter was that it was due to the tightening up of European vehicle emission standards which led to one-off problems for its carmakers that would quickly be overcome.[/IMG]

          https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/08/germ...recession.html



          Another good reason to leave the EU. For an economy like the UK to tie itself to others is bad. To tie itself politically to others is madness. Because one good economy can adjust itself faster and better to suit itself than 29 of mixed abilities all looking out for themselves.

          Would Germany be better off on it's own? Why not. It's still a great economy, great manufacturing, great people. But tied to place like Greece, Bulgaria, Cyprus, etc it will struggle because or the way the EU is run, votes and shares out the strong countries money.
          if you wouldn't wear blinkers you would see that the whole world is sliding into a new crisis. you can thank trump for that.

          at no time is a community more important than at the time of a crisis. UK will be alone then.

          at the present time i even doubt that the brexit even takes place because the brits have noticed on the one hand that they were led into this vote with lies and on the other hand because they are slowly recognizing the whole carrying range.

          I hope that they do a new general election because this would not only show the truth about this brain manipulated voting it would also bring the right people into power.
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            • Paul Markham
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              • Jun 2001
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              #4
              Originally posted by KlenTelaris
              Nothing unusual, it cannot be always growth sometime it need to go down. Also, Germany is big thanks to no tariffs and huge export, otherwise they would not make anything. For example, i spent a lot of money on german products as they are usually quite cheap, with tariff they would not be cheapest so i would have to buy something else.
              The no Tariffs thing is a red herring. We had no tariffs with the Common Market. Countries around the world can set Trade Deals to no tariffs.



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                • Klen
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 32235
                  #5
                  Originally posted by Paul Markham
                  The no Tariffs thing is a red herring. We had no tariffs with the Common Market. Countries around the world can set Trade Deals to no tariffs.
                  Well yes, technically it could be variant where it would be just EU without borders and without tariffs, but that scenario is highly unlikely.

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                    • Paul Markham
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                      • Jun 2001
                      • 52942
                      #6
                      Originally posted by thommy
                      if you wouldn't wear blinkers you would see that the whole world is sliding into a new crisis. you can thank trump for that.

                      at no time is a community more important than at the time of a crisis. UK will be alone then.

                      at the present time i even doubt that the brexit even takes place because the brits have noticed on the one hand that they were led into this vote with lies and on the other hand because they are slowly recognizing the whole carrying range.

                      I hope that they do a new general election because this would not only show the truth about this brain manipulated voting it would also bring the right people into power.
                      Yes we face a time of recession because China is heading there. But you missed my point, can an independent strong economy, like Germany, better ride it out than it can tied to economies like the ones at the bottom of this list.

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financ...y_GDP_(nominal)

                      Especially when those countries have so much power in Brussels.

                      As for the way negotiations went. T. May fucked up badly. She allowed the EU to set the agenda in every sector, she gave way time after time, she made no preparations to show that the UK was ready to leave with a No Deal,etc. The EU on the other hand were brilliant at negotiations. They told her what they wanted and she agreed repeatedly, even after telling everyone these were her Red Lines and she wouldn't take less.

                      We knew that the majority of Parliament was opposed to the result, they didn't follow the vote of the people. Because the Upper Middle Class are doing well from being in the EU. The country isn't. We have to either spend a lot more money we don't have, which has to be raised by taxes or borrowing.

                      Because after 25 years of the EU, wages stagnated, taxes fell, debts rose and things like housing, welfare budgets have gone through the roof.



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                        • thommy
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                          #7
                          Originally posted by Paul Markham
                          The no Tariffs thing is a red herring. We had no tariffs with the Common Market. Countries around the world can set Trade Deals to no tariffs.
                          ahhh you mean making a worldwide union?

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                            • Manfap
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                              #8
                              Originally posted by thommy
                              I hope that they do a new general election because this would not only show the truth about this brain manipulated voting it would also bring the right people into power.
                              Not really, as Labour has said they will respect the vote.

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                                • Paul Markham
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                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by KlenTelaris
                                  Well yes, technically it could be variant where it would be just EU without borders and without tariffs, but that scenario is highly unlikely.
                                  The Common Market already had set no tariffs. So not unlikely but already happening.

                                  It's he political union that's doing damage to strong nations. Once you tie yourself politically to the lower half of this list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financ...y_GDP_(nominal) decisions are made that hold back the stronger nations.

                                  The Euro is a great example of why a political union set on uniting Europe at any cost is a crazy idea. On paper it's great to have a single currency in countries like Germany, France, Holland, etc. But give it to Greece, Portugal, Italy, etc and then have no central control is madness. The results are here https://www.statista.com/statistics/...c-product-gdp/

                                  A currency has to be controlled by a central power. But in their belief in uniting Europe they ignored that and went down the wrong route.



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                                    • Paul Markham
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                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by thommy
                                      ahhh you mean making a worldwide union?

                                      great idea - exactly THIS is what globalism means you dumb !
                                      Can doesn't mean have to. Just educating you on the English language.



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                                        • Paul Markham
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                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by Manfap
                                          Not really, as Labour has said they will respect the vote.
                                          Both Tories and Labour manifestos said leaving the EU would happen. But from the start many politicians opposed that. Making the whole thing into a mess. The EU was united, it fears losing the UK because without the UK political power, money and GDP falls. With a good deal the UK will take the EU to the cleaners and the dream is over, without a good deal the EU loses a major customer and there's some hope in keeping the dream alive.

                                          And that's what a united Europe is, a dream as far fetched as unicorns. That's not to say a Trade Deal between European Countries is impossible. Not to say that agreements on people working around Europe can't be made. All these things were possible before the EU made it better for companies to poach skilled people from other nations, to also employ unskilled to keep down labour costs, etc.

                                          There's very little the EU can create that can't be created without a United Europe.



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                                            • thommy
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                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                              Yes we face a time of recession because China is heading there.
                                              yes thanks to trump who failed to decrease the negative tradebalance with china (the opposite is the case) but fucked up EVERY OTHER economy.

                                              But you missed my point, can an independent strong economy, like Germany, better ride it out than it can tied to economies like the ones at the bottom of this list.

                                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financ...y_GDP_(nominal)
                                              something like an independend economy is not existing since the homo sapiens left africa.

                                              and I don´t really know what you want to prove with the link you send me.

                                              Especially when those countries have so much power in Brussels.
                                              did it ever come to your mind the voting power and GDP have also to do with population?
                                              and look who is second on that list !!!!

                                              As for the way negotiations went. T. May fucked up badly. She allowed the EU to set the agenda in every sector, she gave way time after time, she made no preparations to show that the UK was ready to leave with a No Deal,etc. The EU on the other hand were brilliant at negotiations. They told her what they wanted and she agreed repeatedly, even after telling everyone these were her Red Lines and she wouldn't take less.
                                              even if that would be correct it shows you already the power of a union versus the power of one country.

                                              but it is not correct because the only thing brits want is not to pay anything.
                                              but the point is that they still have a lot of "debts".

                                              one of the EU rules is that bills are send to a receiver in year X because they agreed to pay. but that does not mean that the ammount is to pay in that year. it can be done at any any time later.

                                              so EVERY EU country agreed to pay different bills (they did not really pay it yet and this is one of the very big brexit lies) and for this the received also from the money pot (but his money they received RIGHT AWAY)

                                              so britain received but did not pay the obligations they had for that.
                                              and they think they can leave the EU without paying it.

                                              you should inform yourself about the circumstances before you post nonsense.

                                              We knew that the majority of Parliament was opposed to the result, they didn't follow the vote of the people. Because the Upper Middle Class are doing well from being in the EU. The country isn't. We have to either spend a lot more money we don't have, which has to be raised by taxes or borrowing.
                                              the most important economic factor in an economy is the upper middle class. money goes from up to down.

                                              and sure the parliament did not like to pay obligations but they are here and nobody else will pay for it just because they don´t want.

                                              Because after 25 years of the EU, wages stagnated, taxes fell, debts rose and things like housing, welfare budgets have gone through the roof.
                                              why do you count everything on that and don´t include other aspects ?

                                              i think i told you a million times that money tells you nothing. what tells you something is prosperity. or: what you GET for your money. welfare is part of this prosperity because it helps people to survive even in situations when they can´t.

                                              it also helps the economy because it helps people to SPEND MONEY BACK into the money circulation and keeps it alive.

                                              if you would start to understand what an economy is, what money is and how an economy keeps spinning, you would come to the conviction that we can not measure things on money or % but on what we can buy with it. if you compare that with the past you would see how good we are doing.

                                              maybe you should read a bit about human memory and how true it is what we remember.
                                              maybe that would give you an explanation why we see in every generation this "the past was much better thing".
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                                                • thommy
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                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by Manfap
                                                  Not really, as Labour has said they will respect the vote.
                                                  let´s see.
                                                  i think the one and only question of a next general election is who is pro and who is contra the brexit or at least pro or contra a new vote.

                                                  if both parties will go for the brexit with every consequences your new prime minister will possibly be someone that you do not even know yet.
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                                                    • Klen
                                                      • Aug 2006
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                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                      The Common Market already had set no tariffs. So not unlikely but already happening.

                                                      It's he political union that's doing damage to strong nations. Once you tie yourself politically to the lower half of this list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financ...y_GDP_(nominal) decisions are made that hold back the stronger nations.

                                                      The Euro is a great example of why a political union set on uniting Europe at any cost is a crazy idea. On paper it's great to have a single currency in countries like Germany, France, Holland, etc. But give it to Greece, Portugal, Italy, etc and then have no central control is madness. The results are here https://www.statista.com/statistics/...c-product-gdp/

                                                      A currency has to be controlled by a central power. But in their belief in uniting Europe they ignored that and went down the wrong route.
                                                      Well, there was an idea to have 2 euroes - one for countries which are in good condition and second for crappy economy conditions where value which will be lower then first euro version, and i think that's good idea but as it opposes the unity idea it will never pass which kind a suck.So , if you would want to have strong euro version, then you will need to have strong economy first.

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                                                        • Paul Markham
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                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                          • 52942
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by thommy
                                                          yes thanks to trump who failed to decrease the negative tradebalance with china (the opposite is the case) but fucked up EVERY OTHER economy.
                                                          It's a leaders responsibility to protect his/her country first. The US suffers by the balance of trade between it and Third World Nations. That has to change if more Americans are not to be thrown on the scrapheap.



                                                          something like an independend economy is not existing since the homo sapiens left africa.

                                                          and I don´t really know what you want to prove with the link you send me.
                                                          If you can't see the problem I can't help you.



                                                          did it ever come to your mind the voting power and GDP have also to do with population?
                                                          and look who is second on that list !!!!
                                                          Machines have made population numbers less important for centuries. That's how a tiny nation like Great Britain was so powerful.



                                                          even if that would be correct it shows you already the power of a union versus the power of one country.
                                                          Not in the case of countries like Germany.

                                                          but it is not correct because the only thing brits want is not to pay anything.
                                                          but the point is that they still have a lot of "debts".

                                                          one of the EU rules is that bills are send to a receiver in year X because they agreed to pay. but that does not mean that the ammount is to pay in that year. it can be done at any any time later.

                                                          so EVERY EU country agreed to pay different bills (they did not really pay it yet and this is one of the very big brexit lies) and for this the received also from the money pot (but his money the received RIGHT AWAY)

                                                          so britain received but did not pay the obligations they had for that.
                                                          and they think they can leave the EU without paying it.

                                                          you should inform yourself about the circumstances before you post nonsense.
                                                          So it was always going to be relied on to pay in so much.



                                                          the most important economic factor in an economy is the upper middle class. money goes from up to down.

                                                          and sure the parliament did not like to pay obligations but they are here and nobody else will pay for it just because they don´t want.
                                                          Not to the detriment of the working class. That's how governments like the Nazi Party are created.


                                                          why do you count everything on that and don´t include other aspects ?

                                                          i think i told you a million times that money tells you nothing. what tells you something is prosperity. or: what you GET for your money. welfare is part of this prosperity because it helps people to survive even in situations when they can´t.

                                                          it also helps the economy because it helps people to SPEND MONEY BACK into the money circulation and keeps it alive.

                                                          if you would start to understand what an economy is, what money is and how an economy keeps spinning, you would come to the conviction that we can not measure things on money or % but on what we can buy with it. if you compare that with the past you would see how good we are doing.

                                                          maybe you should read a bit about human memory and how true it is what we remember.
                                                          maybe that would give you an explanation why we see in every generation this "the past was much better thing".
                                                          If prosperity was so good it would be generating enough taxes to support itself. Which one of these countries has raised enough in taxes, from prosperity, to avoid borrowing more over the last 20 years. https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-eu-countries/



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                                                            • Paul Markham
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                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by thommy
                                                              let´s see.
                                                              i think the one and only question of a next general election is who is pro and who is contra the brexit or at least pro or contra a new vote.

                                                              if both parties will go for the brexit with every consequences your new prime minister will possibly be someone that you do not even know yet.
                                                              Do you understand how democracy works?

                                                              Parties set out what they plan to do in a manifesto.

                                                              People vote on the manifesto.

                                                              Parties are committed to carrying out their manifesto.

                                                              Not doing what they think the next government might do.



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                                                                • Paul Markham
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                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by KlenTelaris
                                                                  Well, there was an idea to have 2 euroes - one for countries which are in good condition and second for crappy economy conditions where value which will be lower then first euro version, and i think that's good idea but as it opposes the unity idea it will never pass which kind a suck.So , if you would want to have strong euro version, then you will need to have strong economy first.
                                                                  One Euro is possible. But it has to have central control separate from political interference as much as possible. There also has to be strict regulations on taxes, spending and borrowing. To avoid the mess some countries are in. But few countries would agree to that, so giving them individual control was allowed in order to chase the dream.



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                                                                    • MaDalton
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                                                                      #18
                                                                      Great Britain dropped from the EU country with the highest growth to the last place since deciding on the Brexit.

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                                                                        • Manfap
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                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by thommy
                                                                          let´s see.
                                                                          i think the one and only question of a next general election is who is pro and who is contra the brexit or at least pro or contra a new vote.

                                                                          if both parties will go for the brexit with every consequences your new prime minister will possibly be someone that you do not even know yet.

                                                                          True but as both main parties wont call a new vote, and UK members of parliament are first past the post, rather than proportional representation (which explains why UKIP only had one MP and that was a defection from the conservatives.) you sort of only have 2 options to chose from, and both say they wont have a new vote.

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                                                                                  the teachings of paul markham in action





                                                                                  One analysis by researchers from the London School of Economics estimate that the UK economy is today around £20bn smaller than where it would have been without the Leave vote – which translates to a cost of around £300m a week.
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                                                                                      Which means dollar is going up, time to thank mr Trump

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                                                                                        • MaDalton
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                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by crucifissio
                                                                                          the teachings of paul markham in action





                                                                                          One analysis by researchers from the London School of Economics estimate that the UK economy is today around £20bn smaller than where it would have been without the Leave vote – which translates to a cost of around £300m a week.



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                                                                                            • Paul Markham
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                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              The British voted to leave twice, both in the referendum and at the last election. This was after voting for the party that promised to give them the chance to decide on whether to be In or Out. That's democracy in action.

                                                                                              Whether it's good for British or bad we will see, but that wasn't the reason more voted Out than In. They voted Out because they saw Brussels taking more and more power away from Westminster, making their lives worse, because after 25 years they were poorer, the government was forced into spending more, foreign labour taking their jobs both low skilled and high skilled. But most of all they feared the coming end when Brussels would wield most power and relegate State Governments down.

                                                                                              Presently the only people in Brussels committed to stopping that are the Far Right. And Britain is yet to vote for a Far Right Party in any numbers that matter. https://www.google.com/search?source...j0.vXg5SV9_eUk



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                                                                                                • pimpmaster9000
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                                                                                                  Originally posted by Paul Markham

                                                                                                  Presently the only people in Brussels committed to stopping that are the Far Right
                                                                                                  correction: the far right is committed to promising magic beans...the promise of magic beans gets dumb dumbs to vote for them...then when they come to power they just fuck shit up like trump
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                                                                                                    • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by crucifissio
                                                                                                      correction: the far right is committed to promising magic beans...the promise of magic beans gets dumb dumbs to vote for them...then when they come to power they just fuck shit up like trump
                                                                                                      If you think the Unification of Europe with most power in Brussels is inevitable. You're a sad little man. But I do understand why you think that. Serbia is one of the tiny countries that expect to be given money by the EU.



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                                                                                                        • Sarn
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                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by thommy
                                                                                                          ahhh you mean making a worldwide union?
                                                                                                          great idea - exactly THIS is what globalism means you dumb !
                                                                                                          Liberals failed it.
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                                                                                                            • Bladewire
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                                                                                                                • pimpmaster9000
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                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                  If you think the Unification of Europe with most power in Brussels is inevitable. You're a sad little man. But I do understand why you think that. Serbia is one of the tiny countries that expect to be given money by the EU.
                                                                                                                  power in brussles is the price you pay for being in a community...others get to call the shots...but in exchange you get a big market and stability...reduced prices for all involved...in no way is it 100% fair and neither is life...it is the price you pay for the benefits of the market...the cost of doing business so to speak...

                                                                                                                  you are free to leave, and brexit is showing its results...they are not good...the magic beans did not work...you now call your own shots but it slowed down your growth below italy and they are in SHIT France has 2x your GDP growth rate

                                                                                                                  knee grow, serbia had a 35% better GDP growth rate than the UK...kneeeeeeeee groooooow!...do you understand how much SHIT serbia is in?

                                                                                                                  dude you should be worried...the UK is now wide open to DUMPS <----this

                                                                                                                  the markets are about to turn south...the minor currencies are about to get dumped...no discussion about this, it is just what the markets do, they DUMP the beta shit....
                                                                                                                  D U M P!...

                                                                                                                  together you were strong...now you are alone...the brussles club will stick together...how about you? LOL

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                                                                                                                    • Rochard
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                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by KlenTelaris
                                                                                                                      Nothing unusual, it cannot be always growth sometime it need to go down. Also, Germany is big thanks to no tariffs and huge export, otherwise they would not make anything. For example, i spent a lot of money on german products as they are usually quite cheap, with tariff they would not be cheapest so i would have to buy something else.
                                                                                                                      I hate to say this but... I agree. What comes up must go down.
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                                                                                                                        • pimpmaster9000
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                                                                                                                          • Dec 2011
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                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/gb...-into-year-end

                                                                                                                          Pound Sterling "Worst Currency to Hold" into Year-End, Takes a Hammering vs. Dollar and Euro as Market Gears up for Brexit Bill Failure


                                                                                                                          the most used keyword to describe post brexit UK currency and stock: fragile

                                                                                                                          pauls meager UK pension is about to get smaller...
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                                                                                                                            • thommy
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                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Manfap
                                                                                                                              True but as both main parties wont call a new vote, and UK members of parliament are first past the post, rather than proportional representation (which explains why UKIP only had one MP and that was a defection from the conservatives.) you sort of only have 2 options to chose from, and both say they wont have a new vote.
                                                                                                                              well if that is the case than the problem will be even bigger.

                                                                                                                              one of the big complains is northern ireland.
                                                                                                                              if this is not part of the EU it will cause a border between ireland and northern ireland.
                                                                                                                              this can cause a new civil war (what will be much more cost intensive than the brexit) or that northern ireland will jump into the EU. and this would be directly followed by scottland.


                                                                                                                              the EU wants an open border between ireland and northern irleand. the brits don´t want it.

                                                                                                                              so the real complicated part is not even here now. it will come after the brexit together with MANY others.

                                                                                                                              that brexit will never work for england you can see easily on the fact that paul, the bloodhound dog under the flop hunters, agree with it :-)
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                                                                                                                                • thommy
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                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by crucifissio
                                                                                                                                  https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/gb...-into-year-end

                                                                                                                                  Pound Sterling "Worst Currency to Hold" into Year-End, Takes a Hammering vs. Dollar and Euro as Market Gears up for Brexit Bill Failure


                                                                                                                                  the most used keyword to describe post brexit UK currency and stock: fragile

                                                                                                                                  pauls meager UK pension is about to get smaller...
                                                                                                                                  a weak pount is the best what the UK economy can hope for.
                                                                                                                                  low pound means low prices when a country imports from there.

                                                                                                                                  the dark side of the metal is that britain is an island and needs to import many things from outside. those things will become more expensive with a low pound.

                                                                                                                                  but better ask paul, he knows more about those things as we and all economic scientists together.
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                                                                                                                                    • pimpmaster9000
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                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      simple explanation for paul:

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                                                                                                                                        • Bladewire
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                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by crucifissio
                                                                                                                                          simple explanation for paul:



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                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              You should take in more immigrants. I hear they're great for the economy.
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                                                                                                                                                • thommy
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                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by onwebcam
                                                                                                                                                  You should take in more immigrants. I hear they're great for the economy.
                                                                                                                                                  as long as individuals as you stay out everyone is welcome.
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                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by thommy
                                                                                                                                                      if you wouldn't wear blinkers you would see that the whole world is sliding into a new crisis. you can thank trump for that.

                                                                                                                                                      at no time is a community more important than at the time of a crisis. UK will be alone then.

                                                                                                                                                      at the present time i even doubt that the brexit even takes place because the brits have noticed on the one hand that they were led into this vote with lies and on the other hand because they are slowly recognizing the whole carrying range.

                                                                                                                                                      I hope that they do a new general election because this would not only show the truth about this brain manipulated voting it would also bring the right people into power.
                                                                                                                                                      Trump has nothing to do with a world-wide recession, it has been underway with or without him. False accusations and lies.

                                                                                                                                                      What's really unfortunate Thommy is that thanks to your politics Europe has never been in a more difficult situation than today since the end of WW2.

                                                                                                                                                      Good job EU

                                                                                                                                                      EU is on a mission to divide and conquer the entire continent of Europe, turning its citizens into low wage slaves, eradicate European culture, wipe out any sense of nationalism. There's no unity going on and the community you seek doesn't exist. Your whole argument is based on nonsense and a foundation outside reality.
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                                                                                                                                                        • pimpmaster9000
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                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by DraX
                                                                                                                                                          Trump has nothing to do with a world-wide recession, it has been underway with or without him. False accusations and lies.

                                                                                                                                                          What's really unfortunate Thommy is that thanks to your politics Europe has never been in a more difficult situation than today since the end of WW2.

                                                                                                                                                          Good job EU
                                                                                                                                                          drax logic: trump is not to blame because it is a global recession but the EU is to blame because it is a global recession


                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by DraX
                                                                                                                                                          EU is on a mission to divide and conquer the entire continent of Europe, turning its citizens into low wage slaves, eradicate European culture, wipe out any sense of nationalism. There's no unity going on and the community you seek doesn't exist. Your whole argument is based on nonsense and a foundation outside reality.
                                                                                                                                                          and your whole argument is based on magic beans
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                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  The EU is destined to fail at some stage, England leaving is the best thing to do, they dont need the EU, the EU needs them.

                                                                                                                                                                  The EU is just the Fourth Reich in disguise, little Merkel is the new Hitler

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                                                                                                                                                                    • Manfap
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                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by thommy

                                                                                                                                                                      the EU wants an open border between ireland and northern irleand. the brits don´t want it.
                                                                                                                                                                      I dont think the majority of Brits give a shit, they'd be happy with an Irish sea border, the problem is Northern Ireland Unionists, who are the most stubborn fuckers around.

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                                                                                                                                                                        • thommy
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                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Manfap
                                                                                                                                                                          I dont think the majority of Brits give a shit, they'd be happy with an Irish sea border, the problem is Northern Ireland Unionists, who are the most stubborn fuckers around.
                                                                                                                                                                          it´s not northern ireland alone. if the backstop the EU wants does not get through it will be scotland and possibly wales too who will fight for independence.

                                                                                                                                                                          in none of the parts of the UK the brexit had a majority and have even less supporters now.

                                                                                                                                                                          the whole brexit is an english brexit and does not even include london and other big cities.

                                                                                                                                                                          the UK will lose the U and will be alone in (U)K and E(U). and than people like paul can lern a lesson what this "U" really means.
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                                                                                                                                                                            • Manfap
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                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by thommy
                                                                                                                                                                              it´s not northern ireland alone. if the backstop the EU wants does not get through it will be scotland and possibly wales too who will fight for independence.

                                                                                                                                                                              in none of the parts of the UK the brexit had a majority and have even less supporters now.

                                                                                                                                                                              the whole brexit is an english brexit and does not even include london and other big cities.

                                                                                                                                                                              the UK will lose the U and will be alone in (U)K and E(U). and than people like paul can lern a lesson what this "U" really means.
                                                                                                                                                                              The weird thing is, if you speak to Scottish people, a lot of the leave UK are also Brexit. The leave UK was because they wanted to manage their own affairs, and just handing that to Brussels is not in their plans.

                                                                                                                                                                              Wales, who knows, I have Welsh family and they have never mentioned leaving the UK as an option, that union has been in place 800 odd years.

                                                                                                                                                                              Also how would that work? There is no way Scotland or Wales could just walk into the EU, they'd have to apply, and Spain/France would block it.

                                                                                                                                                                              Otherwise Corsica and Cataluña would be all over that.

                                                                                                                                                                              Anyway why does it matter, those nasty Brits are leaving(possibly ), and congrats you're gonna get Albania and Ukraine, more cheap labour for you.

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                                                                                                                                                                                • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by thommy
                                                                                                                                                                                  the EU wants an open border between ireland and northern irleand. the brits don´t want it.
                                                                                                                                                                                  Once again you prove how clueless you are or how stupid. Britain would love an open border between Ireland and Northern Island. In fact they want an open border between Britain and Mainland Europe. It's the EU who won'r allow it because it's a death knell for the EU.

                                                                                                                                                                                  So please stop posting in threads you are clueless about.



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                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by thommy
                                                                                                                                                                                      a weak pount is the best what the UK economy can hope for.
                                                                                                                                                                                      low pound means low prices when a country imports from there.

                                                                                                                                                                                      the dark side of the metal is that britain is an island and needs to import many things from outside. those things will become more expensive with a low pound.

                                                                                                                                                                                      but better ask paul, he knows more about those things as we and all economic scientists together.
                                                                                                                                                                                      Yes the weak pound has ups and downs, but being free of the EU and it's CAP. Those prices will drop, then there's the saving of $350 million a week. Money Westminster can spread around the economy as it pleases. We've already established the EU sees some countries as cash cows and others to be bottle fed with the money.

                                                                                                                                                                                      No doubt as the economy adjusts itself the pound will find a better level.



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                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by KlenTelaris
                                                                                                                                                                                          Nothing unusual, it cannot be always growth sometime it need to go down. Also, Germany is big thanks to no tariffs and huge export, otherwise they would not make anything. For example, i spent a lot of money on german products as they are usually quite cheap, with tariff they would not be cheapest so i would have to buy something else.
                                                                                                                                                                                          but an exporting country is not the one that put tariffs. it is the importing country that does it.

                                                                                                                                                                                          obviously you are in a EU country or at least in one that have a trade deal with the EU and your country can not put tariffs on the german imports - otherwise the EU (and not only germany) would do the same with imports from your country.

                                                                                                                                                                                          this is how the game is played and this is what brits obviously do not understand.
                                                                                                                                                                                          they think after brexit they can make a deal with every EU country - but that´s IMPOSSIBLE. they have to deal with the whole EU on same conditions.

                                                                                                                                                                                          the only different to before will be that they have no voting rights in brussel anymore and are not protected by the EU if other countries give a shit on britains trade policy.

                                                                                                                                                                                          there is a huge difference if you act in the name of 520 million buyers or if you act in the name of 66 million (UK) or later possibly only in the name of 53 million (england).

                                                                                                                                                                                          they wanted importance and voted for losing it.
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by thommy
                                                                                                                                                                                              as long as individuals as you stay out everyone is welcome.
                                                                                                                                                                                              Why do you think all immigrants are welcome?

                                                                                                                                                                                              This will be interesting.



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                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Why do you think all immigrants are welcome?

                                                                                                                                                                                                  This will be interesting.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  did i not clearly say that individuals like him are not welcome?

                                                                                                                                                                                                  so how you can think that i mean ALL ?

                                                                                                                                                                                                  and "people like him" means people that are full of hate - no matter where they come from and in what they believe.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yes the weak pound has ups and downs, but being free of the EU and it's CAP. Those prices will drop, then there's the saving of $350 million a week. l.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      WOW that is a massive saving of FIVE QUID per week per citizen!!!!!!!!!!

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