Trump gets out of war

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Private bone spur runs away from the truth !

do you even understand why we are in syria?

[QUOTE=crucifissio;22384591]you are invader gangsters with selective memory...your memory will improve vastly once we all have "off"...[/QUOTnope


I'm a former pornographer now living with his daughter and grandson studying music full time.

be best to stop applying your imaginative escapades to other people, that's why you all fucked up in the first place... you believe all your mind reading is factual... you are in big trouble intellectually, like all the other mind readers here at GFY.

hot tip for you: mind reading is not real, that is called projection. you're projecting imagined behaviours on to other people thinking that you are communicating with them. you are not.

what you are doing is very similar to speaking with living room furniture and getting answers

I only devour books on military history in my free time - I am currently reading "Saipan: The Beginning of the End" about the Marines taking Saipan towards the end of WWII - and discuss and debate military strategy both past and present on military related message board so... No, I wouldn't know the three reasons we are in Syria.

Erdogan hates the Kurds (which are the closest to being modern and secular in that area) and wants to eradicate them

Unfortunately US troops are allies of the Kurds and therefore in the way

Last week Erdogan buys American Patriot system for 3,5 billion usd

This week Trump moves US troops out of the way and Erdogan announces strike against the Kurds - and can now slaughter them without accidentally targetting US troops.

Dealmaker Trump strikes again - secured business for US military industry and it will only cost a few thousand lives of brown people he doesn't like or care about anyways

yes this is the new war-as-a-service industry...another example: they sell weapons to mohhamed bone saw and he uses them to bomb yemen and USIS re-fuels the bombers mid-attack and they go back and bomb some more...its like big game hunting only with humans and on a massive scale...

Books? I like looks direct speech former leaders and watch old propaganda films) in books wrote lie often especially modern authors and difficult understand what happened in history.

This old Hollywood film wipe from youtube))









and relaxation after ideological pressure))

We offered them(Kurds) help a few years ago, but they chose the USA(even Obama talk about withdrawing troops from ME).
You can't blame Trump with it, Patriot system - it is a defense weapon, with Russian S400 it will be good echeloned air defense system in Turkey

yes, comrade...

Mattis Has resigned eff. end of feb.

Another one bites the dust

I disagree. Here in the United States we were taught in school that Americans saved the day with the D-Day landings and we liberated Europe. That's very cute. You can argue the US saved England and liberated France but... Russia not only suffered more than any other country, but they also won what we call WWII.

I went to France as a teenager in the 1980s and was blown away by what I saw in Normandy. I came home and dove right into books, starting with Mein Kampf.

While some writers might have a slant or even an agenda, after so much time this is less so... And you compare it other books and what was written.

My favorite book is Inside the Third Reich by Albert Speer.

Trump destroys the lives of those who support him.


Poor Mattis Obama fires Mattis in 2013 and he quits under Trump

We are very deliberately a country run by CIVILIANS. The PRESIDENT is in charge of the military.
Yes, Generals and military advisers always want war.
It was POTUS in the past taking that great advice that got us into Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria.

The USA is the leader. Our "allies" have been sucking off of our teat for years. Yeah...they want the United States to send our young men & women to die. Rah-rah!!! Hooray for the military!!

No...the PRESIDENT is the one that was elected by the people. Not generals. Not "advisers". And damn sure not the media who are trying to make this out as if the President is supposed to be some kind of puppet to the military.

All the liberal media outlets CHEERED when Obama ignored his generals and advisors and withdrew out of Iraq. Now they are attacking Trump for getting our military out of a country that we are in ILLEGALLY. Syria never asked us to "help" them.
They have been a Russian ally for longer than any of us have even been alive.

I see ZERO reason for our people to be in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria...or any other country.

It's military and "advisers" who keep us bogged down fighting for nothing in all these country's.

Bin Laden is dead. Has been for several years now.
Sadaam Hussein is dead. Has been for many years.

So WHAT are we fighting for?
Yeah...boogiemen that the powers that be keep making up to keep us scared and keep the money flowing and the military all over the world.

Liberals please reply.

Why is it bad for Russia to interfere in US/EU elections with their bots. And good for the US/UK to interfere in other countries with troops and machines.

because of massive double standards and selective memory...

History in school for brings up his country’s Patriots. I prefer true.

Why do you always side with dictatorships & bad players that want America to fail?

Why do you want Western Civilization to lose Democracy? Is it because you think non whites breed like mice and Western Democracies will all be run by minorities if majority rules, and go down the shitter because you think they're inferior?

It seems like you think a leader like Putin controlling white societies is the only way to reduce minority numbers in white society because you know he'll create mass genocide on minorities. You are wrong. Putin is shit, Erdoğan is shit. Duterte is shit. Mohammad bin Salman is shit. Your judgement in leaders is shit.

do you know what the army he gets out of afganistan did there ?

they trained the local army to fight ISIS.

problem for trump here is the following:

when they are successful and could fight ISIS they will not buy more weapons.
so better don´t teach them to do it and keep the biz going.

syria is even worse because there he had to fight indirectly with the russians and putin does not like that.

so here it is also better to sell weapons to ISIS and the syrian army and keep the biz going.

if money would not be the reason I would say: right done

but let´s see for wich other country he needs this troops.

So it's coll for America to interfere in the politics of other countries, even if that means killing 100,000s of civilians. But not cool if anyone interferes with American politics. Unless they are very rich.

OK we understand where you're coming from.

Aaaahhhh so you go off topic and deflect again when backed into a losing corner. Got it

you posting this is one of the most amusing things ever

Why is it off topic to ask whether America should be interfering with other countries?

Back to the original topic, i.e. what this thread was originally about before someone tried to deflect from it by goading others into turning it into a personal-attack back-and-fourth.

If Nobel peace prize-winning Obama had been the one responsible for this, I would have celebrated with tears of joy and would have danced in the streets alongside my like-minded brethren and sistren and sisgendren and non-binarian.

However, since I don't agree with Trump politically, please understand that I can only view this news with the deepest anguish, and profess it as further proof that Trump is racist.

If I may quote a deep thinker of our time and use his words out of context to accurately describe how we all should react to this news: "My disappointment is immeasurable. And my day is ruined."

Because I asked you 3 questions.

You answered none of my questions.

Then you ask an off topic question to deflect.

So Trump gets a call from Erdogan telling him the Turks are making a move on the Kurds and he'd better get the US troops out of there...and that's exactly what he does. And the reason he's doing it is not that he gives a single shit about any of your troops, but that he's worried what it's going to look like if they start dying. He's a little bitch ass.

Anyone who thinks the presence of foreign troops in the ME will stop or start ME people from killing each other needs educating.

If they don't buy weapons from the West, Russia and China will be more than happy to sell them.

But we have come to expect this level of deep thought from Thommy.

it is not that he goes out there. it is just another prove that he made america unpredictable and unreliable.

trump would send troops and give a fuck on thousands of lifes if there is some money or advantage for HIMSELF.

look back into this 2 years and tell me who was THE ONLY ONE who had advantages from all trump did. it is PUTIN !!! PUTIN plays him !

trump is not only unpredictable for the whole world he is also unpredictable for everyone in USA.
look at the markets today !!!!
today was one of this rare days when quite good numbers showed uo and the markets fall. the reason is that NOBODY trusts him anymore. nobody relies on what he is saying or doing. the very best what companies and investors can do now is to go to sleep and wait til he is gone.

he does not do what is the BEST - he does what his dumb followers will THINK what is the best. and as we all know HOW dumb his followers are it CAN NOT BE THE BEST!

i am strongly against any kind of war or military intervention in any country of this world but the political situation is not that a sitting president can remove over night EVERYTHING what all other presidents did (even when it was wrong).
and THIS with such a stupid explanation (ISIS is defeated) that you can see that this was a decision from minutes without thinking through the consequences.

FIRST of all he should stop selling weapons to the saudies what directly forward them to ISIS. THAT would be a good first step and after that further steps can follow.

america have CAUSED the problems in the middle east. ok - not trump but he represents only HIMSELF and not america - a president have to represent the whole country including it´s mistakes and including a bad history.
this history is not from the table with such a 5-minutes decision. ISIS will sell it as a victory over america and the west and with this victory they will become stronger in the muslim world.

this hydrogen blonde creature lacks foresight and that puts america in a very bad position in every conceivable way. what he rally did was not ending a war. he have started it.

not at all paul.

I would appreciate if the dumbfuck learned that but what you expect as a gesture of honor is not honorable.

he leaves people back who are still fighting and giving their lives against an enemy who is also the enemy of the USA.

all he found out is that it makes no sense to sell modern weapons to the saudies and than send america troops to fight amercian weapons.

he also seems to look at the oil price and assumes that it does not make much sense to fight an oil war for 46 dollars per barrel. so a good chance to send putin his christmas present.

if he would be really smart he would make this decision much slower and talk to the world before. and MAYBE he could sell it as a human act and win sympathy back.
that people praise him for something is the thing he wants most - and as he did not see this chance and use it shows me and everybody with a brain that is just a little bit bigger than yours, that this was not a plan someone thought about and check it against the consequences.

but in GENERAL i am with you when it comes to the question if it makes sense to occupy ANY country. basically it is a good thing when america starts to get the ass out of other country´s affairs and problems.

Civilians cannot run wars - they just can't.

Vietnam is a perfect example of this. We didn't lose a single battle in Vietnam. However, the civilian government ran this war worried about the political implications. Their goal wasn't to win the war it was to say in office. This is why politicians cannot run a war.

No, this couldn't be more wrong. NO ONE WANTS WAR. Ever. No one.

Generals don't want war. They have employment no matter if we go to war or not. Same thing with a Private. And every between them. If we go to war in the morning or not, they will both still have jobs next week.

It's the same thing with the people who make the planes and missiles and tanks. If we invade North Korea next week, are we going to suddenly put in orders for new planes? Ships? Tanks? No. It doesn't even work that way. We don't go to war and say "we need to build more ships". It takes years to build new ships, and planes. Even missiles. We don't go to war, launch two thousand missiles in one week, and say "oh, we need more". We have millions in storage "in case" we go to war.

Each country has it's own issues.

We need to be in Afghanistan. It's pretty simple. The Taliban allowed and encouraged 9/11, and after we were attacked refused to do anything about it. So far as the United States government is concerned they were a part of 9/11.

Iraq..... Iraq attacked an ally. When one of our allies gets attacked, we go to war. It's pretty simple. Obama left because we needed to leave. The Iraqi government and military had been replaced and re-created, and ISIS was chased out of the territory. There was no reason for us to stay - NONE.

Syria.... We shouldn't have gone there in the first place, but now that we are there we need to stay to finish the mission. The mission was protecting the Kurds and stopping ISIS. Your president just lied to you saying ISIS was defeated. Everyone knows that is not the case. Moments before Trump made his announcement, ISIS stated a terrorist strike. Even if they were defeated, that is only half of the reason we are there. What Trump just told the world is he doesn't care about what American policy is and he doesn't care about keeping any promises the US governemnt made....

Jesus fucking Christ Robbie... Mr. trump's chief of staff just resigned and utterly fucking slammed him on the way out. Open your eyes already. Look at what is happening. For the past two years the President has been making a complete ass out of the Untied States, shitting on all of our allies. The economy is about to take a huge crap, and nothing has been accomplished other than a tax cut for the rich and renaming NAFTA. The president is now under multiple investigations in every area of his life, personal, business, and political - and everyone involved with him is either going to jail or pleading guilty.

This is madness.

U.S. markets suffer worst year since global financial crisis | Reuters

You said Trump was going to make things better

the battle over, stay only diplomacy


Assad will safe Kurds

Truly astonishing to see todays 'liberals / left' are against everything the real left in the era during the Vietnam war fought for: Peace and freedom of speech. Todays left is fighting for perpetual war and against freedom of speech... it truly boggles the mind and shows once again the power of propaganda.

My father died in the Vietnam war.... Fifty years ago. A lot has changed since then.

You didn't answer the questions I asked.

But did confirm that it was good when Obama pulled troops out and bombed places in the ME but bad when Trump does the same.

And you now want more Fathers to die fighting unwinnable wars.

Vietnam could never of been won without a Nazi or should I say pre-19th Century style occupation force prepared to kill any form of resistance. Wars in the ME cannot be won without the same tactics.

As Thommy has said these people are not educated to our way of thinking and ready to die for their freedom. Taking a lot of American lives with them.

fuck off invader....war inc is the #1 employer in the USA, it is your #1 export and your #1 expenditure...

what is so difficult to understand ?

obama MUST, like every president, manage an inheritance he didn't create.
But he knew that he also had to represent a nation that had to act RELIABLE.

the office of a president cannot serve to change the world view of a country, especially not if after 8 years another one with different ideas leads the country.

if you apply for the position of chairman of a weapons factory then you have to live with the fact that it is a weapons factory and cannot convert it into a gingerbread factory.

the most important thing that a country in this world needs is RELIABILITY and INCASIBILITY. even if this sometimes goes against your own overdraft, such a change can only be a lengthy process and not a rash action that will not last.

nahhh, he wants his wall!

He´s going to make cuts to what ever he can and to lay off people, make them without jobs, he´ll save money & obviously save money not sending food and supplies abroad.

Billions saved, now give me my 20 billion for my walll


#worldpeace #fuckDonaldTrump

i´m against war, but pulling all troops out is a very stupid move, giving ISIS a big upper hand, giving a very large area of land, the ability to run free, set up new hq, new defences in these areas & of course, it´s to save money for his wall, a radical idea being imposed

You know the US lost the Vietnam War, right?

I think he was saying that we didn't win Vietnam because we weren't going to use extreme methods like the Nazi's did.
I believe he just mis-typed it.

So you are happy when Obama pulled troops out of Iraq and mad when Trump does the same. In a futile effort to lose an unwinnable war.

So leave American troops there to risk death or injury trying to lose an unwinnable war.

Of course I know it. I lived through those times. They now will repeat the exercise all over again.

Give this man a cigar, he gets it.

I was crystal clear in what I posted, these guys are blind to the facts.

Imagine a scenario like that portrayed in The Man in the High Castle with a foreign army alien to all Americans hold dear occupying America. Now add in a big dose of religion which says that anyone who dies fighting that force will go straight to heaven where lots of virgins await them.

It's a war that can't be won and after 17 years in Afghanistan the military and politicians know it. The public still think they can or just so anti Trump that anything he does is bad.

Beautiful video. We need a leader with this kind of strength in America.

so you admit you're a nazi?

btw. the "accurate subtitles" are everything else than accurate