NRA took Russian money, now connected to Trump campaign

It appears to be the same in your eyes as you dont care...

It seems to me, that this money machine...
Russia > NRA > Congress = favors > Russia + favors > NRA

So how could they move so much money without being detected...
The NRA status as a non-profit does not have to reveal contribution sources.
Even if they did, they could filter that through individual sources of other donors.

But... no wonder the NRA has seemed to have a unlimited supply of influence.
But I will forget that for a moment...
What were the Russians getting in return is what I want to know.

Normally, any lobbyist can only hope to either block legislation, or control the wording of legislation when they put the actual words to bills already passed in a sub-committee after the fact. This is normally the place to do it as everyone still celebrating it's passage and it has no teeth yet, and this is where a lot of it gets toothless or changes it to the opposite of what was intended.

So I guess that is a clue in where to link money and deed.

I am hoping this links into Muellers investigation or we assign a new special prosecutor for the task.

I think Maria Butina is that link for Mueller to follow.

Now I understand some in congress trying to shut this down whereas normally, they would not care as much.
The worse they would have is VP Pence as POTUS.
It leads to them. And Mitch will not protect Mueller. I see why.

I have been wondering something about her.

Recently, video surfaced of Butina at a Trump Rally, asking a question about Russia.



What was she doing there and why did she ask that question? I'm assuming she was placed there and this was a part of a plan, but what? Was it just to get Trump to openly address an issue and get people talking about it?

uhmm.... there was no "Russian mafia" in 1984 in the Soviet Union apart from what is called "Thieves in Law" and they were hardly sophisticated,... ever. These are very low level criminals who's obligation to the group is to spend their lives in prison AND NOT HAVE, SAVE OR INVEST MONEY.

Not to mention the fact that there were no legal mechanisms for moving large volumes of money out of the county, investing outside the country, laundering outside the country etc as the only way to move money would be through the 1 and only government bank that existed at the time. I mean you are taking about a body of government that oversaw the production of everything or the cost of milk or price of a jacket nation-wide. it's not like money was just flying around unaccounted for or the system was easy to game.

I mean the stupidity of that quote is off the charts. There was no "Russian Mafia" at the time. People were getting executed in the 80s in Moscow for relatively petty crimes like selling grocery store inventory out the back door. You have a fanatically patriotic intelligence agency watching every citizen and their every move... even to the point of putting all older women on the first floor of apartment buildings next to entrances to have nosey people who know exactly who comes and goes out of every single apartment building in the nation. People being snatched off the street and disappearing simply because they promoted buddhism by putting a flyer on the wall in the entry to their apartment building and dumb shit. It's 100% retarded to make such claims and obviously can't be proven.

I mean KGB had (still has) a military branch to do things like stand right next to the guy on the nuclear sub with a pistol pointed at his head to make sure he turns the key. Yet somehow, billions of dollars were moving in and out of a nation with no financial system, one national bank, a currency not used or exchanged anywhere on the planet and in a nation that had a lot of cities ("closed cities") locked down so tight you needed permission to enter or leave even as a Soviet citizen... and where any city can't even be entered or left without going through a police checkpoint.

Sounds legit.

I guess if you just say "Russian Mafia" + "Trump" in the sales formula, idiots will "ooh and ahhh" and it's easier to sell books.

So you have a stupid book written for stupid people riddled with "may have", "some believe", "could possibly...", "seems to indicate" etc etc etc

So let me if I understand this correctly.... Someone who is an expert on the Russian mafia, who writes books about the Russian mafia, who has no political agenda what so ever because they don't write books about politics.... But they must be wrong because it doesn't fit into what you want to believe about Trump.

I have news for you... You don't think Russia had a Russian mafia in the 1980s? Are you serious? Twenty seconds of research tells me the Russian mafia has roots back to 1720, grew in the 1900s, and then exploded at the end of WWII. I am pretty confident the Russian mafia was pretty organized in the 1980s and looking to launder money.

That was out there back in July, it just did not get much attention.
I think this part of the investigation has been on delay till after the election.

If you understand how these investigations work, Mueller has to follow one lead and connect it to the next in a chain of paper evidence, not just suspicion. He can not 'JUMP' into a new one it has to be directly related and connected. So I am sure he asked for the folks at the FBI to delay as much as possible until he made the necessary connections in actual paper 'proof' to go down this road. She is the link.

But it really makes this all clear now to me. But what worries me is just how far this stuff goes. It may not end with just RU > NRA > GOP it may be other countries and other non-profits and either party.

Kinda scary if you think about it.

I see it as a chance to really clean house and set some new rules to prevent it in the future. Get'm all. Get'm out and put'm away.

I hope it is allowed to finish and not stop when it becomes inconvenient for some.
Always believed in 'drain the swamp' but never figured trump would be the guy to inadvertently do it.

I guess it just happens when you are drunk in money and influence and you get very sloppy. But they were pretty close to just legislating their actions as legal.

If you have noticed, many in the senate have been flipping on issues since the election. I think they know this is about to break wide open and will want to downplay money they may have received and look more like a statesman beyond reproach.

because you're a dipshit that doesn't know anything at all about Russia, has never lived in Russia, doesn't speak Russian, has never had a family in Russia, has never ran companies in Russia, knows nothing about Russian crime, hasn't known hundreds of legit mafia figures, hasn't worked with Russian criminal groups and the criminal underworld, doesn't know or understand the Russian banking system before and after the fall of the Soviet Union, has never had to operate businesses with hundreds of employees within that system and who knows nothing about Russian history or culture.

You're "pretty confident" about a lot of things and none of them make you look like an intelligent person.

^^^those name calling hissy fits will get worse as the trumpire comes tumbling down.

I could care less if Trump dies of AIDs tomorrow. It won't affect my day one bit.

Don't waste your time. Russian mafia has been active since the 1700's, but conveniently skipped existence in 1984 to clear trump from future investigations & shit.

Your constant name calling hissy fits in defense of trump proves different.

Russian mafia not exist

I would refer you to look up the Russian oligarch's corruption in disposing of toxic waste in gasoline as has been documented as it applied to BP, standard oil (who bp supplied and bought in the 80's) and others ? at under 2%, it was undetectable and money was made from disposing of it but look how it was done. But I think BP was fined for it. Nobody went to jail.
Yea, back in the 80's.

They are referred to as Mafia or just organized crime. Call them what you want but it says nothing about truth of deed.

I could list many, many others but that is not the point of this thread. All the data has been out there, it only takes the will to read it. Come back and say that after you catch up on your reading. At least 35 years of it is relevant to how we got to this place today.

Not fake news, you can just look up what has come before the courts, and that's probably only the tip of the iceberg. Back in the 80's they couldn't extradite those individuals in the soviet union.