how the adult industry killed itself

As an aside, is realitykings the biggest adult paysite right now? Is there a paysite with a higher alexa ranking than RK (ranked 273)?

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/www.realitykings.com

I don't see the celeb niche not growing.

It grows in every medium it's on.. They get press that we can't touch. It doesn't make a crap if it's nude, non nude, blogs, magazines, the entertainment value is like a double shock.

So even before the Internet, the people have major interest.. I only wish Porn could have that exposure.

the good news is there will be a wave of super porno junkies booming soon

I think so... BUT if not, just find another ND/RK site and you will find the next 20 leaders of the pack. They have single paysite that reached volumes larger than entire programs.

i don't have time for these shenanigans.. i'm busy shutting everything down asap.

its over.

i read it on the interweb.

Sell the Lambo, are you out of your fucking mind!?!?!

Very much on the nuts. They GET THE EYEBALLS with the perception of lots of porn (and in fact there is)

They see 20:03, 13:35 and they THINK this is the site for me.

Fact is those videos exist but with buffering and blindlinks, skim ect. they are in reality no better off, actually worse off than if on a decent smaller vid site.. say 2 min vids.

Its actually more about psychology than actual on site video length.

I don't run a big tube so hey I may be full of it. But I have bought lots of traffic from them so I see shit.

giving away free porn is a plot by the catholic church to put porn producers out of business...very clever and effective!

Those fucking tubes

seems its working 4 me

Adapt or die.

Sorry you chose the later.

Well there are a lot of tube sites out there. But seriously
you are right that "searches for primary words is much lower" and that tells alot. Basicly that interest in today's paysite and porn in general is down.

Frankly I think mega entertaining sites like youtube really hurt porn when they arrived and still hurt porn. Even if you don't get off there, they still occupy more surfers time. Twitter all the rest.

Someone made a good post. OK it was Escort Biz, that its about the content not the tour. It is. If a paysite (sponsor is chincy with the content, they OFTEN convert like crap) No content for WM. No content for surfer.

Anyhow, some sites still sell pretty well. Just not as high a % of sites still sell as well. Makes things way more difficult from the aff point of view.

And yeah we prob know each other I was around in 97.
I have been doing this full time for the record as a porn affiliate since then. Times are much tougher to say the f'n least.

Chears to all the affs out there still banging away.
For some of us sitting in front of the outer all days still beats a real job.

"Tomorrow's getting harder make no mistake
Luck ain't even lucky gotta make your own breaks..."

"...You better stand tall when they're calling you out.
Don't bend. Dont break. Baby don't back down."

If you are referring to only HD sites will be what survives, you are dead wrong.

No offense.

Exactly right.

The main problem on this forum is 90% of it thinks like experienced web surfers and webmasters. You discount laziness, and time savings.

Why would someone pay for a celebrity site when you could spend endless hours combing the web looking for them. Simple. Convenience. You provide a service to that dad who is heading home to the family, or busy teen working three jobs and going to college.

I will pay a few bucks a month to have a daily updated celeb site so I can go to one place, and not have to deal with pop ups, scum ware, and hope from 10 boards looking for shit. This can be said for a lot of sites out there.

As I have mentioned in other posts. I talk to many people in RL and not one knows how to use most of the theft shit mentioned here daily. They have heard of rapidshare, know and admit to tubes, the rest no. This spams 18-40 in ages.

The problem of those who fail, keep failing is you keep thinking like everyone online has your skill set. Every one is a cheap ass who will not pay for convenience, a service, a value, music, movie, porn, good content just because you won't. You're wrong.

TGPs killed the industry years ago but we still get by.

Too much McDonalds and Fried Chicken.

I have a guy who rebilled today. This person bought their membership to a now defunct sponsor's paysite in 2002. Over $2000 in that time. hehe I think he forgot about it. 19.95/month ccbill like clockwork.

Things haven't died yet. Recurrings all round are going well for the GOOD sites.

The others well I'm pulling lots of links tomorrow. I have one with over 20,000 targeted clicks and $0 earned. Why havn't I pulled earlier. Well it gets a high ctr and has good content. Surfers like it but I feel it is priced too high. $34.95. And surfers balk. I no longer promote anyone over 29.95/mo

but.. but..I am not!

Pointless arguing with you because you point to 1 or 2 companies and say everything is fine. It looks like those 2 are doing things on the members area and if they are they back me up.

OK you keep spending money outside the members area and others will see that this policy is simply not working today. Because the surfer has a better option to spending his money in places you're shifting him around to. Final decision is made by the customer.

You can keep dreaming as well there is money in the first time buyer as well. Because every repeat buyer had to be a first time buyer at one point.

Your thinking on repeat buyers is a skewed it shows how little you know. And here's why.

For every "brand new" buyer that decides to purchase there is one who says "never again". Could be higher and probably is as the industry is losing buyers over all.

A repeat buyer is just as important to the industry as a rebill or rebuy. Porn consumers do not generally fall in love with a certain porn star or site, yes a few do but this is not about using the minority to prove the point of the majority. So why is this? Men have a roving eye and we always think the grass is greener on the other side of the hill. Most men have a problem staying faithful (mentally) to a real women. It's ludicrous to assume they stay loyal to a porn star or site.

So it's called a moving market because the buyers move around. Your next sale is unlikely to be some rookie porn buyer. Odds on it's a repeat buyer. If we want to keep them buying we have to satisfy their needs.

It's 2009 not 1999 and your ideas are not the way to turn this business around.

By spending more on the members area we compete with Tubes. By spending more on the outside of the site we take resources away from the members area and we make it easier for Tube sites.

Which is good.

The need to change is obvious. The problem is few seem to know how to change, many clearly have a lot invested in the old ways and unless we all change it's not going to work.

I put up a free live show for members, it works. The same goes for other things on Paul Markham Teens. We have 530 + videos and 1600 sets and mobile phone and iPod videos, which we are adding to (yes there are bigger site but not many)

But unless this becomes the norm with paysites Tubes will always look more attractive. And this is the problem. The final decision to join is made by the surfer, taint his experiences buying Internet porn and you lose him, give the customer what he needs and he will keep buying.

OK I was doing a bit of spamming and there are sites that have this level. The problem is for everyone there is, there's sites forcing the members to join for a month that simply don't have a months worth of content.

Jumped out of a plane without a chute.

You really do not see a difference in a high quality tgp like the hun and the average tube site? Go to a lower quality tgp with a trade script and see if you notice a difference. Trying to make a point with blatant misinformation does not help you make your point.