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  • brassmonkey
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    • Sep 2005
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    News White House authorizes 'lethal force' by troops at border.

    Immigration activists, federal officials and reporters wrestled Wednesday with interpretations of a White House memo authorizing “a show or use of force (including lethal force, where necessary)” by the troops deployed on the border with Mexico.

    The directive specified the purposes for which force could be used as “crowd control, temporary detention and cursory search.” Speaking to reporters Wednesday, Secretary of Defense James Mattis downplayed the likelihood of a serious clash, saying he envisioned the use of troops for “minutes” as a first response to an emergent threat. Enforcement will continue to be the responsibility of customs and Border Patrol officers.

    The directive, which was first reported by the Military Times, immediately raised concerns about the role of approximately 5,900 U.S. troops that were rushed to the southwest border last month to confront groups of mostly Central American migrants traveling in caravans through Mexico toward the United States.

    In what was viewed by many as a political ploy ahead of the midterm elections, President Trump ordered the troops to the border as a show of force against the migrant caravans, which at that point were still several weeks away from the U.S. Trump described the refugees as an “invasion” and an imminent national security threat.

    “The fear-mongering tactic of sending soldiers to the border for a danger that doesn’t exist is now being extended to stoking tensions with threats of lethal force,” said Jonathan Ryan, executive director of the Texas-based nonprofit Refugee and Immigrant Center for Education and Legal Services, or RAICES. “This is costing taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars, and for what? To rally a base based on racist and xenophobic lies? And to deny people their legal right to asylum?”

    Hina Shamsi, director of the ACLU’s National Security Project, called the latest memo “an unnecessary escalation of a political stunt that risks harm to civilians and legal jeopardy for the military.”

    “In addition to serious concerns about violation of the Posse Comitatus Act, it’s hard to see how John Kelly, a civilian White House official, has the authority to issue any such order,” she said, referring to initial reports that the directive issued to Mattis had been sent not by President Trump but by White House chief of staff John Kelly. On Wednesday afternoon, however, Newsweek reported that the order issued by Kelly was preceded by a “decision memorandum” signed by the president.

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  • BaldBastard
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Jan 2001
    • 16833

    #2
    They won't need to use force, the 7500 border security and highly trained military have spent hundreds of millions to unravel 4 miles of razor wire and that will stop them.

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    • bronco67
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Dec 2006
      • 29026

      #3
      Am I wrong to think Trump is really hoping for an incident? Just picture him being nervous about a child or soldier dying...you can't do it.

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      • beerptrol
        Confirmed Asshole
        • Feb 2003
        • 12722

        #4
        Originally posted by bronco67
        Am I wrong to think Trump is really hoping for an incident? Just picture him being nervous about a child or soldier dying...you can't do it.
        He is, the noose is tightening and he's getting desperate.
        “If we are to have another contest in the near future of our national existence, I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon's but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side, and superstition, ambition and ignorance on the other.”
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        • Bladewire
          StraightBro
          • Aug 2003
          • 56220

          #5
          Originally posted by MrBaldBastard
          They won't need to use force, the 7500 border security and highly trained military have spent hundreds of millions to unravel 4 miles of razor wire and that will stop them.
          It's not razor wire

          It's Bladewire



          Skype: CallTomNow

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          • BaldBastard
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • Jan 2001
            • 16833

            #6
            Originally posted by Bladewire
            It's not razor wire

            It's Bladewire

            Nah it can't be, that stuff is designed so at team of 4 can layout 2 miles a day of it


            Be like sending 500 to change a light bulb... You know one to climb a ladder with a bulb and 499 to lift the house and turn it around... Amerika. !

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            • Rochard
              Jägermeister Test Pilot
              • Dec 2001
              • 75733

              #7
              People are already calling for John Kelly to resign, which is a first. He was well respected even with Democrats.

              This will never fly.
              Herschel Savage
              Brooklyn, NY

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              • just a punk
                So fuckin' bored
                • Jun 2003
                • 32385

                #8
                Originally posted by brassmonkey
                White House authorizes 'lethal force' by troops at border.
                And what's the problem? The borders must be secured by the army and course that soldiers have a right to kill an intruder. I thought it's a usual practice for any country.
                Obey the Cowgod

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                • BaldBastard
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Jan 2001
                  • 16833

                  #9
                  Originally posted by CyberSEO
                  And what's the problem? The borders must be secured by the army and course that soldiers have a right to kill an intruder. I thought it's a usual practice for any country.
                  Just Russia I think

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                  • astronaut x
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • May 2011
                    • 4844

                    #10
                    Trump is losing the military. Hearts and minds....he is losing them.
                    Hello

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                    • just a punk
                      So fuckin' bored
                      • Jun 2003
                      • 32385

                      #11
                      Originally posted by MrBaldBastard
                      Just Russia I think
                      Hmm.. So other countries do not use its army to secure the borders? So what can I say... idiots.
                      Obey the Cowgod

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                      • TheSquealer
                        Mayor of Thneedville
                        • Oct 2004
                        • 26206

                        #12
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                        Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

                        Rochard

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                        • Acepimp
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                          • Jan 2012
                          • 20331

                          #13
                          The clueless lefties are in favor of human trafficking, criminal gang members, and violent drug cartels. It's very strange.
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                          • TheSquealer
                            Mayor of Thneedville
                            • Oct 2004
                            • 26206

                            #14
                            Day 2 of North Korea destroying guard towers and fences between North and South Korea... and somehow all the Leftists here are 100% quiet on this historic event and more and more steps towards peace on the Korean Peninsula.

                            Orange... Man.... Bad!
                            .
                            Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

                            Rochard

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                            • brassmonkey
                              Pay It Forward
                              • Sep 2005
                              • 77390

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Acepimp
                              The clueless lefties are in favor of human trafficking, criminal gang members, and violent drug cartels. It's very strange.
                              both sides make money from all of above! there are a bunch of republicans that own private prisons
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                              • TheSquealer
                                Mayor of Thneedville
                                • Oct 2004
                                • 26206

                                #16
                                Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                both sides make money from all of above! there are a bunch of republicans that own private prisons
                                I've learned in life that there is a very simple way to stay out of prison. Oddly, all you have to do is obey the law.
                                .
                                Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

                                Rochard

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                                • RedFred
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Feb 2016
                                  • 9782

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by TheSquealer


                                  We know. You love nothing more than to watch gi joes shoot people that are different than you, think different than you, and people that you simply don't agree with. It's what makes you the lowest form of scum on the planet. And you can't comprehend why you have so much in common with Nazi's.

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                                  • TheSquealer
                                    Mayor of Thneedville
                                    • Oct 2004
                                    • 26206

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by RedFred
                                    We know. You love nothing more than to watch gi joes shoot people that are different than you, think different than you, and people that you simply don't agree with. It's what makes you the lowest form of scum on the planet. And you can't comprehend why you have so much in common with Nazi's.
                                    People like you are so easy. I say something or post a stupid pic to trigger you... and you fire back with "racist", "Nazi" etc. as a default response,... because you're angry, bitter, weak and simple.

                                    You're too lazy or simple minded to even form an argument or position on anything. You go straight to vicious hate by default. You and your behavior represents the worst in humanity and have convinced yourself that you are at the height of morality.

                                    .
                                    Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

                                    Rochard

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                                    • TheSquealer
                                      Mayor of Thneedville
                                      • Oct 2004
                                      • 26206

                                      #19
                                      .
                                      Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

                                      Rochard

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                                      • RedFred
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Feb 2016
                                        • 9782

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                        People like you are so easy. I say something or post a stupid pic to trigger you... and you fire back with "racist", "Nazi" etc. as a default response,... because you're angry, bitter, weak and simple.

                                        You're too lazy or simple minded to even form an argument or position on anything. You go straight to vicious hate by default. You and your behavior represents the worst in humanity and have convinced yourself that you are at the height of morality.

                                        Just own who you are. Everyone else can see it, about time you saw it too.

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                                        • TheSquealer
                                          Mayor of Thneedville
                                          • Oct 2004
                                          • 26206

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by RedFred
                                          Just own who you are. Everyone else can see it, about time you saw it too.
                                          Oh.. rather than offer any hard evidence, you just announce that "everyone" knows, therefore it's an undeniable truth - in spite of zero evidence to support this truth.

                                          You sound like all those religious nuts you hate so much.

                                          funny that "everyone" can see it. No one can give examples or prove it... but its just an "undeniable truth" in your feeble mind... like with all the similar far Left idiots like you on this forum which have completely run any business discussion out of here with your daily "Orange Man Bad" manic posting

                                          You are the perfect example of the Left in the USA and how they have completely gone off the rails. You guys can't even form a well reasoned argument anymore. 20+ years of participation trophies and being told your a "winner" just for showing up and all the other efforts to build your unearned self esteem has left you and yours confused... you think feelings are fact. You think that if you feel it, you must be right. You think you don't even need to think or argue a point. You just wait for CNN to tell you what to feel that day and off you go, calling everyone racist and nazi like a babbling moron.
                                          .
                                          Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

                                          Rochard

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                                          • Acepimp
                                            All Facts Matter
                                            • Jan 2012
                                            • 20331

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by RedFred
                                            Just own who you are. Everyone else can see it, about time you saw it too.
                                            He's someone who prefers LEGAL immigration. What's wrong with that?

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                                            • crockett
                                              in a van by the river
                                              • May 2003
                                              • 76818

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by CyberSEO
                                              And what's the problem? The borders must be secured by the army and course that soldiers have a right to kill an intruder. I thought it's a usual practice for any country.
                                              We aren't North Koreans.. we dont kill people for crossing a line in the sand.
                                              In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                              • DonaldNee
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                                                • Sep 2018
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                                                #24
                                                Thought it was always allowed? :o

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                                                • RedFred
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Feb 2016
                                                  • 9782

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                                  Oh.. rather than offer any hard evidence, you just announce that "everyone" knows, therefore it's an undeniable truth - in spite of zero evidence to support this truth.

                                                  You sound like all those religious nuts you hate so much.

                                                  funny that "everyone" can see it. No one can give examples or prove it... but its just an "undeniable truth" in your feeble mind... like with all the similar far Left idiots like you on this forum which have completely run any business discussion out of here with your daily "Orange Man Bad" manic posting

                                                  You are the perfect example of the Left in the USA and how they have completely gone off the rails. You guys can't even form a well reasoned argument anymore. 20+ years of participation trophies and being told your a "winner" just for showing up and all the other efforts to build your unearned self esteem has left you and yours confused... you think feelings are fact. You think that if you feel it, you must be right. You think you don't even need to think or argue a point. You just wait for CNN to tell you what to feel that day and off you go, calling everyone racist and nazi like a babbling moron.


                                                  You think Nazi's don't exist, racists don't exist, republicans won the midterms, Trumps has a higher approval rating than Obama, etc, etc. You are in a constant state of delusion and it is useless in having any type of normal conversation with you other than helping you get the help you so desperately need before you fall into the abyss (maybe you already have). Does your country not have mental health treatment available?

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                                                  • just a punk
                                                    So fuckin' bored
                                                    • Jun 2003
                                                    • 32385

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by crockett
                                                    We aren't North Koreans.. we dont kill people for crossing a line in the sand.
                                                    Because your cops kill American citizens instead:



                                                    Yes, you are North Korea, because even that fascist country can not be compared with the USA by the number of civilians killed by police. Do you know that there are more inmates in the US prisons TODAY than commie Soviet Union had in GULAGs during the Great Stalins's terror of 1937? Surprised?
                                                    Obey the Cowgod

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                                                    • Bladewire
                                                      StraightBro
                                                      • Aug 2003
                                                      • 56220

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by RedFred
                                                      You think Nazi's don't exist, racists don't exist, republicans won the midterms, Trumps has a higher approval rating than Obama, etc, etc. You are in a constant state of delusion and it is useless in having any type of normal conversation with you other than helping you get the help you so desperately need before you fall into the abyss (maybe you already have). Does your country not have mental health treatment available?

                                                      Delusional Disorder
                                                      That's why I blocked him ages ago.

                                                      You can't have a logical conversation with him because he just runs around in circles contradicting himself over and over and over again and over and over again and when you point it out, he denies it.

                                                      There is no linear structured conversation with him. He's fueled by emotion and says whatever feels good to him in the moment whether it's true or not is irrelevant to him.

                                                      If I want to see someone constantly lie and contradict themselves I'd just watch a Trump rally.


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                                                      • RedFred
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Feb 2016
                                                        • 9782

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Bladewire
                                                        That's why I blocked him ages ago.

                                                        You can't have a logical conversation with him because he just runs around in circles contradicting himself over and over and over again and over and over again and when you point it out, he denies it.

                                                        There is no linear structured conversation with him. He's fueled by emotion and says whatever feels good to him in the moment whether it's true or not is irrelevant to him.

                                                        If I want to see someone constantly lie and contradict themselves I'd just watch a Trump rally.

                                                        He's no different than watching a Trump rally. If his type weren't so dangerous it would be comical. This is the problem with cult members, they believe the lies and delusions 110% without question and facts are irrelevant and they think anyone that's not in their cult are the enemy. Cult leaders throughout history loved his kind and couldn't have succeeded without people like him.

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                                                        • onwebcam
                                                          Fake Nick 1.0
                                                          • Oct 2005
                                                          • 27689

                                                          #29
                                                          LOL @ BladeFred/RedWire
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                                                          • RedFred
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                                                            • Feb 2016
                                                            • 9782

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by onwebcam
                                                            LOL @ BladeFred/RedWire
                                                            Case in point.

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                                                            • Acepimp
                                                              All Facts Matter
                                                              • Jan 2012
                                                              • 20331

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by RedFred
                                                              Case in point.
                                                              You mentally challenged leftists think there are nazis everywhere, racists everywhere, all Trump fans are racist homophobes- You've been duped by the lying MSM. No one is saying that neo-nazis don't exist. We're saying there's only a few dozen or a few hundred. It's an insignificant number of these dumb dipshits, but the media plays it up, gives them coverage in order to scare gullible people. HERE this video explains in detail:

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                                                              • RedFred
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Feb 2016
                                                                • 9782

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Acepimp
                                                                You mentally challenged leftists think there are nazis everywhere, racists everywhere, all Trump fans are racist homophobes- You've been duped by the lying MSM. No one is saying that neo-nazis don't exist. We're saying there's only a few dozen or a few hundred. It's an insignificant number of these dumb dipshits, but the media plays it up, gives them coverage in order to scare gullible people. HERE this video explains in detail:




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                                                                • Bladewire
                                                                  StraightBro
                                                                  • Aug 2003
                                                                  • 56220

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by RedFred
                                                                  Case in point.
                                                                  Yep lol

                                                                  The alt-right hate fake nic troll on GFY always gives himself away. One of the things he does is he calls anyone who doesn't support Trump a "leftist".

                                                                  His mind is too weak & foggy to see individuals, including Republicans & independents who've left Trump & vote Democrat now.

                                                                  He's also obsessive compulsive and has to have the last word.


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                                                                  • TheSquealer
                                                                    Mayor of Thneedville
                                                                    • Oct 2004
                                                                    • 26206

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by RedFred
                                                                    You think Nazi's don't exist, racists don't exist]
                                                                    Never said anything like this... not ever.

                                                                    Like almost anything you guys say, is just an immature emotional rant with no basis in fact, saying things that are clearly not true and lying to establish a position, no matter how fake or demonstrably false it might be.... you're just a bunch of crazy leftists screaming at the clouds and who want the world to believe that you suddenly have racists under your beds and nazi's in your closets... therefore, your unchecked stupidity and irrational behavior is justified.... and that Trump is the reason you have the psychological issues you have.

                                                                    Trump is not the cause of your insane behavior, Trump is the catalyst which exposed exactly who and what you are.

                                                                    The single greatest outcome of a Trump Presidency is that it has fully exposed how truly delusional, hateful and unhinged the Left is.

                                                                    The new face of the Left in the US....

                                                                    .
                                                                    Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

                                                                    Rochard

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                                                                    • TheSquealer
                                                                      Mayor of Thneedville
                                                                      • Oct 2004
                                                                      • 26206

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Oh... and Orange Man Bad!
                                                                      .
                                                                      Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

                                                                      Rochard

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                                                                      • beerptrol
                                                                        Confirmed Asshole
                                                                        • Feb 2003
                                                                        • 12722

                                                                        #36
                                                                        They should authorize the use of deadly force at those neo nazi rallies, but that would mean culling his voters!
                                                                        “If we are to have another contest in the near future of our national existence, I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon's but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side, and superstition, ambition and ignorance on the other.”
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                                                                        • RedFred
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Feb 2016
                                                                          • 9782

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                                                          Never said anything like this... not ever.

                                                                          Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                                                          you're just a bunch of crazy leftists screaming at the clouds and who want the world to believe that you suddenly have racists under your beds and nazi's in your closets...
                                                                          What are you saying? Nazi's and racists don't exist?



                                                                          Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                                                          The single greatest outcome of a Trump Presidency is that it has fully exposed how truly delusional, hateful and unhinged the Left is.

                                                                          The new face of the Left in the US....

                                                                          Yea you've only repeated this about a thousand times. I notice since the midterms though you leave off the part where you say "This is why the dems will never win another election".




                                                                          Fucking delusional fuck.

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