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It is simply amazing most of you who are into illegal tubes don't even realize you are cannibalizing your profits. Fucking retards.Comment
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You can totally pirate dating. I could pay someone right now to build a script that scrapes profiles from any dating site I want. In fact, I'm surprised someone hasn't done it yet. You could do it for under $10K. Then just open a free adult dating site and upsell cams.jim (at) amateursconvert . com Amateurs ConvertComment
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well if you are a middleman you are screwed, affiliates who just push traffic to get signup are dead meat.
That being said use branding bugs internally to increase retention (by advertising/upselling non pirateable content/benefits) would be the most effective way for an affiliate based paysite to survive.
Affiliates should be looking for sites which do this, because while there conversion ratios may be getting worse, the retention levels will increase and therefore balance out.
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Dude talking to you is like trying to nail jello to the wall.
You really and truly have no idea what you're talking about. When it comes to how things are today, or how things were 2, 5, and 8 years ago, you're clueless.
Sponsors don't control shit. They pay for joins. That's all.
They have always kowtowed to the wants and needs of the people who had the traffic.
Period.
There were some who refused to take TGP traffic at one time. Said they were ruining the industry by giving away free content. They even offered higher payouts to people with TGP2 traffic.
All of those sponsors are gone now.
The ones who are still around, are the ones who catered to the needs of the big traffic sites of the time.
As for the second part of your misguided statement.....I'm not the one who said "sites that give away MORE FREE CONTENT are converting better", that was Choker.
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Yes it would appear that the affiliate model is going to continue to be give away more to make less.
However, what most people don't realize is that's how it's always been.
People have selective memory, kind of like parents talking about "My mother never would have put up with this shit" or "I had respect for my elders when I was your age"......every new group of people trying to break into this business fucks things up for the group that got here right before them.
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i didn't read the whole thread.
I just know that when TGPs came out, there was howling and yowling... and then TGPs became a sales tool.
Now the same pattern's repeating with tubes...
If a tube has 1% or 10% of a site's full-length content, people will still join sites to get more and more and more...
What sucks isn't Tubes. What sucks is P2P groups that get together and put a buck each a month into a pot and torrent all the content.
Tubes? Hah.
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Aren't you making most of your money by selling it to other webmasters in stead of converting it yourself?
I do believe you can make money with tubes if you regulate it a bit, but giving away 30+ minutes clips is still crazy.
Also you are talking about legal tubes, but don't you think the illegal ones like tube8, empflix, pornhub etc do harm this business? You can't deny that...Comment
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it's against logic and common sense, i don't believe it
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Choker you obviously have an agenda so I suspect you're giving us a ton of BULLSHIT.
Yes a mega ton of it.
If you want to prove which one of us is right, hit me up on ICQ and I will give you a full length movie you can run on your Tube site of one you know. Just put a coded link under the full length clip so we can see the results. You can choose the clip. It can be exclusive.
Now you can say my stuff is crap, but for years I've been told it's also saturated. You don't saturate crap content because people stop buying it. Only good producers are bought over and over again in a major niche, to "saturate" content.
Thrown down the gauntlet and it will be at 70% rev share which will be great at such a great conversion rate. Any Tube site can pick it up.
What's the odds????
To be honest have not read all the thread because it was getting boring after the first page.Comment
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I just ICQed Choker, let's see if he takes my offer.
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Bwahahahahahahahahha.
It's all over once Paul Marham enters the thread. He's going to "educate" all of us now.
Not a very clever way to try and get some traffic for yourself there idiot.
Thing is, I couldn't sell that shit you're slinging to someone who has never seen porn before, much less anyone who has seen decent porn.
A true test for the sake of testing would have been 100% revshare, not 70%. Besides, Choker (or anyone else with a decent amount of traffic) will look at your site and know off the bat it won't convert or retain.
Also, I can't ever recall ANYONE with half a brain saying your stuff was saturated. We said non exclusive in general was oversaturated, just because 100 or 1000 paysites had it instead of just one....something you always took exception to (because you were trying to sell content), but I've never heard anyone with an IQ over 100 say "That Paul Markham stuff is everywhere, it's so saturated"
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I designed my tube sites to generate traffic to sell to other tube sites yes. I put a text link under the movie player that says Click here to download this video in hi def. I had extra space under the movie so I did it as a after thought. Didnt even check the stats from clicks to it until i noticed the sponsors checks coming in and then i was like WTF. I'm rethinking my strategy now.ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466
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Good points, Choker. But the true hardcore collectors probably get their stuff from 2 sites that are 10000000 times worse than tubes--megaupload and rapidshare. Those sites are DMCA-protected and, judging from the bigger user forums out there, host multiple mirror versions of sites' full video collections.
Also, I find it disturbing that many searches for adult content show user forums ranking higher on a growing number of performer name-based search terms than legit sales pages (galleries, etc). Disturbing trend...Comment
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This thread is a fucking joke.
Full length clips increase sales. lol
How fucking stupid do u have to be to believe that?
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my sites convert fine, ( i can prove it)
my traffic is way down because you have fucked things up with sites like yours: http://www.thesextubesite.com/ (nice trades in there. your trades are trading with the stolen video tubes) i'm sure you know that though. Nice
way to go....
You alone have fucked a good percent of this market up. I hope your fucking happy. It was so easy for you to infect and introduce the TGP/MGP surfers to SEXTUBES, hahaha
You may be a winner but for every dollar you make someone else has lost 100.
And watch out for Shap, he wants your sextube! or he did. How did that go over anyways? Fill us in.
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I'd be happy to post screen shots and conversion ratios to show you that my sites convert between 1:50 & 1:500 from most affiliates.
And that's first page unique clicks! with full price membership and no trial!
Zero upsells anywhere.
Almost no one can say that.
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[QUOTE=Paolo;15758796]The fact that the industry is almost forcing it upon the consumer from WITHIN the industry is the issue.
Now go back a few years. What were your earnings per click for your simple sites? MGP, TGP, blogs, galleries, etc./QUOTE]
Not forcing...... If you had a tgp that was devoted to a niche and you promoted that niche with teaser traffic not 10 minutes clips where a guy can jerk 5 times in that amount of time.... it works well.. I had many accounts that did over 10 cents a click 2 years ago and many more 3 years ago. I had accounts that were doing 15 cents 18 cents a click easy, so I think this should be pointed out.
Niche tgps should promote true to your niche and you will see high click revenue... Remember how chocker speaks.. you want to base your revenue by how much you make by the click. Do your niche well and customers will reward you..
Make 15 dollars on 100 clicks well you just made 15 cents per click before rebills.. Thats not too bad and we had many many people doing that just a few years ago... Now some went to tubes and are doing less then half based on the hype they heard.... I hear them bitching all the time that they did not make as much as they did in 2005 and 2006 or even 2007.
Anyways my 2 cents from selling over $50 million in niche sites the last 10 years.
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I recall a day when you could throw up a BANNER and convert sales at 1:200 or less, Then came the tgp's and then MGP's and other free stuff and the banners were not so easy any more. to the point that we DONT really use banners that much for surfers any longer.
BUt things change. Just like the Print magazines are online now days.PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic
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BV why dont you use the illegal tubes to your advantage. If they are using stolen content then wtf wont you use them right back. Use thier traffic resources to put surfers infront of your sites even if they dont convert at least you are "fighting back in the google search rankings" even if you take 200 surfers a day away at least they are surfing your sites and not the tubes that you hate so muchmy sites convert fine, ( i can prove it)
my traffic is way down because you have fucked things up with sites like yours: http://www.thesextubesite.com/ (nice trades in there. your trades are trading with the stolen video tubes) i'm sure you know that though. Nice way to go....
You alone have fucked a good percent of this market up. I hope your fucking happy. It was so easy for you to infect and introduce the TGP/MGP surfers to SEXTUBES, hahaha
You may be a winner but for every dollar you make someone else has lost 100.
And watch out for Shap, he wants your sextube! or he did. How did that go over anyways? Fill us in.
PS:
I'd be happy to post screen shots and conversion ratios to show you that my sites convert between 1:50 & 1:500 from most affiliates.
And that's first page unique clicks! with full price membership and no trial!
Zero upsells anywhere.
Almost no one can say that.
I will survive.
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http://www.thesextubesite.com/channels/naughty_america
Naughty America might not know about your logic Choker, maybe contact them? You are losing out posting all those 2 minute videos man!!!
PS: Shap is gone be on your ass with a domain like that ;)))
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I just can't stomach it yet. I'm not the "if you can't beat them join them type"BV why dont you use the illegal tubes to your advantage. If they are using stolen content then wtf wont you use them right back. Use thier traffic resources to put surfers infront of your sites even if they dont convert at least you are "fighting back in the google search rankings" even if you take 200 surfers a day away at least they are surfing your sites and not the tubes that you hate so much
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This thread is hilarious. The only reason people like Choker sell traffic is because it isn't worth a shit. If it was, he wouldn't sell it.Comment
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Wait a min, is this not the same Choker whom 6 months ago claimed that tube sites were great for selling everything but porn memberships. Now all of the sudden they are good for selling membership..
Sounds more like it's your usual every six month infomercial drama post looking for more business.. Lets not forget Choker sells traffic and content for tubes sites so he has a vested interest in claiming tube sites are great and all. Hence the reason he's pushing "full" length videos..
To claim tube sites were anything but great would be bad for Chokers biz.. Think about it, if it were an affiliate claiming this or a program owner then it would be a different story.
All you have to do is dig out his last post from 6 months ago to see he said then that tube sites suck for selling porn..
lol now all of the sudden they are great..
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I know what you mean but it seems that the most of the big affiliates are using them to their advantage I personally dont think tube sites are going to go anywhere I think they will evolve, and to be honest If I owned a program I would fight my ass to keep it afloat even if it meant using the tubes. They are the ones laughing at the people who are taking a big dip in sales and traffic while they make money and bring in surfers. They dont care about your biz why should you care about theirs..Use them right the fuck back. Whatever road you decide to take I wish you all the bestComment
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THIS is the real problem most people have with tubes.
They're not fucking up "the market", they're fucking up your personal business.
But why should they care? Why would the owner of a business give a flying fuck how his business negatively affects his competition?
You can say "oh well they'd make 10 times as much if they didn't give thus and so away", but that's not true.
They wouldn't have the amount of traffic they do, not even 1/10th of the traffic they do, if they had just started another TGP or MGP.
So they came in with a new business model, stole a shit pot full of your traffic and sales, and now you're all boo hooing and trying to play the morality card or some shit....instead of admitting that you just got lazy, set in your ways, and got beat.
Now you can get with the times and survive, or you can keep crying about how great things used to be before the big bad tubes moved your cheese, and starve.
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Yep I did. I was wrong.Wait a min, is this not the same Choker whom 6 months ago claimed that tube sites were great for selling everything but porn memberships. Now all of the sudden they are good for selling membership..
Sounds more like it's your usual every six month infomercial drama post looking for more business.. Lets not forget Choker sells traffic and content for tubes sites so he has a vested interest in claiming tube sites are great and all. Hence the reason he's pushing "full" length videos..
To claim tube sites were anything but great would be bad for Chokers biz.. Think about it, if it were an affiliate claiming this or a program owner then it would be a different story.
All you have to do is dig out his last post from 6 months ago to see he said then that tube sites suck for selling porn..
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You are a idiot. Your post proves that. So everyone that sales add spots on their sites if their traffic was so good they wouldn't sell it right? ANYONE who says "If a traffic sellers traffic was good he would not sell it" is a complete idiot. Just another example of uninformed , think they know everything but know very little wanabes.ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466
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Your doing so good you can spend 5 hours a day on GFY bitching about how tube sites are destroying your life right? LOL. You are entertaining I'll give you that.my sites convert fine, ( i can prove it)
my traffic is way down because you have fucked things up with sites like yours: http://www.thesextubesite.com/ (nice trades in there. your trades are trading with the stolen video tubes) i'm sure you know that though. Nice way to go....
You alone have fucked a good percent of this market up. I hope your fucking happy. It was so easy for you to infect and introduce the TGP/MGP surfers to SEXTUBES, hahaha
You may be a winner but for every dollar you make someone else has lost 100.
And watch out for Shap, he wants your sextube! or he did. How did that go over anyways? Fill us in.
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I'd be happy to post screen shots and conversion ratios to show you that my sites convert between 1:50 & 1:500 from most affiliates.
And that's first page unique clicks! with full price membership and no trial!
Zero upsells anywhere.
Almost no one can say that.
I will survive.ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466
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If the huns traffic is so good why doesnt he only list his own galleries?, why does ANY site sell traffic, banner spots, links or anything for that matter? Again you are a idiot talking about things beyond your understanding.ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466
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You missed the point completely..
The other guy loses $100 because it's his content that is stolen and used to make the $1.
While Choker may not use stolen videos on his own sites, he sure as hell sells traffic to the illegal sites that do offer stolen videos. Meaning he makes the $1 while helping fuck over the other guy and costing him the $100.
Choker is part of the chain that is fucking this industry over and screwing us all. Traffic sellers like Choker destroyed the TGP/MGP traffic pool, now he's on to do the same for paysites.Last edited by crockett; 04-20-2009, 11:18 AM.In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.Comment
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Yeah, and definitely no comparison between Choker and The Hun, or Worldsex, or all of those other stupid sites trying to sell off their worthless traffic instead of converting it themselves.
As if we're supposed to somehow believe that traffic generation and marketing are two different things and being good at one doesn't make you good at the other.
Puh-leeeze.
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