I bet the swedish jail is much much better than my own place...
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Are the tube sites next?
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Even though it wont shut the Pirate Bay down, it sets a nice precedent. All these half assed torrent sites that dont have as deep a pockets as the Pirate Bay wont be able to recover after getting their asses sued out of existence. Every little torrent site operator out there just dropped a little nugget in their panties today. The Pirate Bays days are numbered.
Keep the warez where it belongs, in the scene. Torrents are to warez what AOL is to the internet.Last edited by Gambrinus; 04-17-2009, 05:37 AM.Comment
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Not surpised - piratebay.org have already been shut down in Denmark. This is the message you get, if you try to access piratebay.org in Denmark:
Of course danes can still access piratebay.org, if they change their dns settings, but this is how the problem with thieves will be dealt with. If you can´t shut them down in their home country, then shut them out of your own countryThe City Court of Copenhagen delievered a ruling according to which Tele2 A/S is obligated to prevent its customer.s access to www.allofmp3.com and www.mp3sparks.com and www.thepiratebay.org. The sites are - according to the Danish branch of IFPI - provider of illegal copies of protected music.
It is expected that all Internet Service Providers in Denmark will follow Tele2.
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Today I am ashamed of Swedish courts and justice system. 1 year in jail AND 30 mil Swedish crowns in damages while pedophiles and rapists receive 6 months and they victims hardly any money.
But this will never stand and will be reversed in higher court
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Charging $1 a song and they steal it. You could charge 25 cents for a song ,a porn video and people would still go to free. Free always wins and 95 of the population doesnt think its stealing because its on the web.These guy arent patriots or some grass roots cause, they got rich because they sell lots of ad space. I laugh when people say I get the music or porn or etc for free because of those greedy fucking music companies or the fucked up rich porn companies. So instead they make the pirates rich. lolComment
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This will drag on for yearsComment
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they werent charged with "running the piratebay"
Basically its like this, if a guy owns a bar and he is selling bootleg booze, he would be arrested for selling bootleg booze , but the bar itself isn't charged with anything.
Its very possible the judge might order him to shut the bar down or that the liquor control board might revoke their license later but the 2 things don't go hand in handhatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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can they time shift their way past their prison sentence?
anyone?
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what this verdict says is that it's holding individuals accountable for making available such a site, who's sole purpose is to distribute copyrighted material. My question is, does Sweden law hold up as legal precedence? Holding the Individuals accountable is right. Rather then the site. the site is a tool, the individuals constructed the tool and made it available to the masses for the sole purpose of distributing copyrighted material illegally.
the same can be true of tube sites. Rather the site isn't illegal but the manner in which it makes the feeds available is. and the person or persons that have made it available are committing a criminal act.
u all remember illegal cable de-scramblers? the box isn't illegal, niether is the TV u use to watch it on. However, creating the box or chip is. selling the box is.
the same with programmable football cards, remember those for satellite dishes? same thing again. You'r not a criminal for owning a dish with an unactivated card. however the criminals are the ones reprogramming the cards, since they acted with the intent of creating a tool to steal copyrighted materials.
Now here's the catch 22 i see. With this line of thinking, users would also be deamed criminals, since they used this service for the sole purpose of downloading or viewing copyrighted material ...
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You must realize that this case is just the "leader case".
Every single company/person who had his copyright violated can now sue TPB
in the same court and win!!!!!!!
One count for each file!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The only thing that can save them from being completely destroyed is if
content owners decide not to go after them because legal fees are higher
than damages that the court would award.
Maybe they get a break that most copyright owners are from another country
and don't want to pursue it.
Other than that, they are finished.
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Just because one crook(pedo) got away does not mean the government should
let other crooks they can catch get away.
Further, count the number of victims in the case.
TPB has 1000's of victims of copyright theft.
The magitude of TPB theft deserves some attention in the form of sentencing.Comment
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Yea just have to love the video they released about how they think they are being picked on by the giant corporations.
Well hello stupid, quit being thieving ass hats and you wont get picked on.In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.Comment
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how much money do you think they made from pirate bay? after calming down one year in prison those guys will be living their dreams ...
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Well, they will still need to pay the fine, and cost of the trial (could also own back taxes + tax fines on any income discovered during the trial), so the goverment will go after any assets which can be connected to them... ex. the domain piratebay.org could be forfeited.Comment
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There will be a new trial. Its quite obvious that the court didn't understand how bittorrent works. Now it will take a year or two until the next verdict, they are free until then.Suffering arises from attachment to desires.
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The technical aspect of this case is not what's important and they would easily go free if the court only took the technical aspects (how bit-torrent works) into consideration but that's not how it works in a court of law.
It's their intent of the website and nothing else. They have been found guilty because of the intent. And their intent is quite obvious - to make it easy for people to share copyrighted materials, and it's not really to their advantage the way they've handled the emails from all the different companies. It makes their intent even more obvious.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intention_(criminal)
If you understand this, then you also understand that they can never be found "not guilty". All they can hope for in the upcoming trials is to have their jail sentance removed and maybe pay less $ in damages.Comment
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It was stated above that they made 1.2 million a year. That's WAY less than we made on our TGP's each year. And trust me, 1.2 million a year sounds good...but it ain't a lot of money. Especially when you have 3 or 4 partners to divide up whatever is left after paying the bills.
So if their "dreams" are to be lower middle class and in debt for big fines imposed (over 3 million so far) and having their freedom taken away for a year and with a business model that can't survive...then yeah, they are living their dreams.
Smart thing to do would be to make TBP legit NOW while it has a ton of traffic and sell it for an astronomical fee to a large company looking to up it's internet presence.-Robbie
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Are you sure they will locked up? Here, if you get sentenced less than 3 years, you'll never get locked up, you'll get free on parole...Well its like this in Sweden.
If you get sentenced to 1 year you only do time 6-7 months.
They will still be multimilionares when they get out ...so who cares about 6-7 months really? Oh and the jails in Sweden arent like in the states. I wouldnt be suprised if they will go to a jail without fence
Yet another victory for TPB if you see it from PR view. They will just get more supporters now.Comment
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Can prisoners go home on the weekends in Sweden for white collar crime like it is in some other European countries?Well its like this in Sweden.
If you get sentenced to 1 year you only do time 6-7 months.
They will still be multimilionares when they get out ...so who cares about 6-7 months really? Oh and the jails in Sweden arent like in the states. I wouldnt be suprised if they will go to a jail without fence
Yet another victory for TPB if you see it from PR view. They will just get more supporters now.The best ePassporte replacement I have found: OKPAYComment
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robbie they were convicted base on the "unrefuted" claim that linking to copyright material from a bbs was a relevant example that infered liablity. The problem was that this point was brought up in the closing arguements of the procecution and not in the testimony where it could be refuted.
Given the fact that unlike a link to a complete working copy of the file (ala bbs example) is not the same thing as point to a torrent file which is a session where no complete copy is transmitted (only pieces) will makes a huge difference.
this is the one case that needs to be knocked down to make torrents just as legal as a vcr WORLD WIDE. Once that precedent is gone, there is no criminal act and therefore no intent to commit a criminal act.
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I think you're totally confused and have it all wrong. This was not a copyright civil case, this was a criminal case. Individual companies can not bring criminal cases willy nilly against the owners. They will need to file in civil court. At least that's how it works over here..Comment
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I read that lawyers are looking into whether this case has implications for Google, which also simply links to copyrighted material, which is all TPB did as well.
But I guess the judge said that the biggest factor was that TPB was clearly a commercial venture created to make money. If they did it for free, they probably would have been fine.jim (at) amateursconvert . com Amateurs ConvertComment
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isnt at least part of their legal team pro bono?Comment
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My favorite comment in the list is the one where someone calls for them to " People time to take a stand cut off hollywood's cash flow" another says he is a "seeder4life" and "fuck the corps" apparently they don't realize if hollywood and the "corps" didn't make money there would be no cool movies for them to download.Comment
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Good news.. Lets see where this all goes from here.
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I hear the "Adapt or Die" message everywhere. The problem is no who says is tells us what he means. They just leave it like that as if they have a secret potion to solve it. This is what I suspect most mean.
Open a Tube site. Which is not adapting at all. It's copying and capitulating. In the end it will mean more free surfers and less members.
This is how we adapted.
We opened the members area so surfers can see it's not a rip off site.
We're adding more videos and sets.
We have a free live show for members every night.
When I get back to shooting I will be shooting scenes that many can't or don't. Scenes aimed at keeping the members.
We also opened a site that's unique and exclusive.
All the above worked and we are going to survive this hiccup in the world economy. Some of the adapt or die mob probably won't.
Because they will copy others lame ideas the surfer is wise to in the belief that the key is to get more traffic.Comment
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I was hoping this day would never come.Comment
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This could be really good news. As far as more companies going after them. They would in the US as now that they were found guilty of a criminal act it is easier to prove a civil case. Remember OJ? and he was found innocent and still lost the civil case.Comment
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There goes my free porn...Comment
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What other options do they have? I mean they are not talented enough to create something on their own. They need to ride on the coattails of those who do have talent. Stealing is the business of those who are not smart enough to make it in the real world. While their situation sucks, the other option for talentless people like this are to work at a McDonalds or something.Comment
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